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Paul Manafort, Who Once Ran Trump Campaign, Told to Surrender [W:379:853]

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Mantafort to turn himself in today - Breaking from CNN
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Paul Manafort, Who Once Ran Trump Campaign, Told to Surrender

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/...eakingNews&contentID=66021164&pgtype=Homepage

WASHINGTON — Paul Manafort and his former business associate Rick Gates were told to surrender to federal authorities Monday morning, the first charges in a special counsel investigation, according to a person involved in the case.

The charges against Mr. Manafort, President Trump’s former campaign chairman, and Mr. Gates, a business associate of Mr. Manafort, were not immediately clear but represent a significant escalation in a special counsel investigation that has cast a shadow over the president’s first year in office.
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2 indictments- Mantafort & Gates
Just guessing money laundering and tax evasion.
 
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Now it begins, is this the beginning of the end or the end of the beginning.
 
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Floridafan said:
Now it begins, is this the beginning of the end or the end of the beginning.
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Morning Joe this morning ? Just what a guest said.
 
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I give credit to Morning Joe.
 
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Floridafan said:
Now it begins, is this the beginning of the end or the end of the beginning.
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Ah hints of Churchill. He did have a way with words.

This lays the groundwork for other charges to follow- Time sensitive ones are on the platter in this batch, but they will only dig deeper on him & Gates
From what I heard on CNN Mantafort purchased properties with limited liability companies and transferred wealth to his family member(s).
Now if this was ML, and if the family member(s) were complicit, I think they can also be charged. That would ramp up the pressure on Mantafort to flip

Mueller IMHO found things that were coming close to the statute of limitations on money laundering, which is generally 5 years.
I think tax evasion will also be included
So far nothing on Flynn, and I think he flipped months ago.
 
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The Trump people will be spinning this to say that Manafort is being arrested for things he did apart from the campaign. But this is no victory for them - just the opposite.

There is a song in the wonderful musical HAMILTON where Aaron Burr expresses his displeasure that he is on the outside looking in - shut out from real the influence that his rival Hamilton has. He sings that "I want to be in the room where it happens" - just like Hamilton is.

Manafort was in the room where it happened. Over and over and over again. And that is what should scare the Trump people into soiling their Depends today.

Manafort will be squeezed and Trump cannot protect him from state laws and prison even if he would dare pardon him for federal crimes. The only question now is will Manafort talk and will he give up Trump?

We can all hope.
 
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Since Manafort was the campaign chair I'm sure whatever they have on him they'll be able to use that information to get him to flip for a deal. I doubt he knows everything, as my bet would be that the Trumps keep all the real dirt in the family, but he should have enough knowledge to make something stick on one of them at least, assuming there were crimes committed.
 
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JANFU said:
Ah hints of Churchill. He did have a way with words.

This lays the groundwork for other charges to follow- Time sensitive ones are on the platter in this batch, but they will only dig deeper on him & Gates
From what I heard on CNN Mantafort purchased properties with limited liability companies and transferred wealth to his family member(s).
Now if this was ML, and if the family member(s) were complicit, I think they can also be charged. That would ramp up the pressure on Mantafort to flip

Mueller IMHO found things that were coming close to the statute of limitations on money laundering, which is generally 5 years.
I think tax evasion will also be included
So far nothing on Flynn, and I think he flipped months ago.
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So nothing on collusion with Russia yet?
 
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I agree, this is only the first step of many to come.
 
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Floridafan said:
Now it begins, is this the beginning of the end or the end of the beginning.
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Winston Churchill
 
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holbritter said:
So nothing on collusion with Russia yet?
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A friend of mine had a great saying about patience which I have amended somewhat.
At times one must have the patience of a vulture.
 
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Floridafan said:
Now it begins, is this the beginning of the end or the end of the beginning.
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In due time, they will do time.
 
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Gates, Manafort and who knows how many others. Possibly going right up to the top of the heap.
 
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JANFU said:
I wonder how Hannity, Trumps water boy will spin this.
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Fake news; witch hunt; Crooked Hillary; biggest landslide in history; my crowds...
 
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JANFU said:
I wonder how Hannity, Trumps water boy will spin this.
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dunno about hannity or "Trump water boys", but historically when a long investigation happens and they have nothing, they need to save face and charge somebody with something. "tax evasion" and other money crimes that have nothing to do with russia will be the end of all of this much to the alt-lefts sad pandaness.
 
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JANFU said:
I wonder how Hannity, Trumps water boy will spin this.
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Trump got rid of Mantafort after dealings with Russia/Ukraine came to light. What more would you like to see out of Trump?
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
dunno about hannity or "Trump water boys", but historically when a long investigation happens and they have nothing, they need to save face and charge somebody with something. "tax evasion" and other money crimes that have nothing to do with russia will be the end of all of this much to the alt-lefts sad pandaness.
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The definition of a witch hunt.
 
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WCH said:
Trump got rid of Mantafort after dealings with Russia/Ukraine came to light. What more would you like to see out of Trump?
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I think the list of things we want from Trump exceeds the character limit.

My fingers are not crossed that Trump will do the right thing, my fingers are crossed that the rest of the Republican party stop smelling their ass and saying "smells great!".
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
dunno about hannity or "Trump water boys", but historically when a long investigation happens and they have nothing, they need to save face and charge somebody with something. "tax evasion" and other money crimes that have nothing to do with russia will be the end of all of this much to the alt-lefts sad pandaness.
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Investigation is not that “long” considering we have not had a full year of this Administration. Trump can claim another first! Earliest indictment in history!
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
dunno about hannity or "Trump water boys", but historically when a long investigation happens and they have nothing, they need to save face and charge somebody with something. "tax evasion" and other money crimes that have nothing to do with russia will be the end of all of this much to the alt-lefts sad pandaness.
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Muller doesn't need to "save political face".

Witch hunt...you sound just like Hannity.
 
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Mach said:
I think the list of things we want from Trump exceeds the character limit.

My fingers are not crossed that Trump will do the right thing, my fingers are crossed that the rest of the Republican party stop smelling their ass and saying "smells great!".
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All this time and still no collusion affecting the election.
 
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Who's Rick Gates?
 
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