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Paul Manafort, Who Once Ran Trump Campaign, Told to Surrender [W:379:853]

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RedFishBlueFish said:
We understand that the Trump supporters are unlikely to accept anything anti-Trump coming out of the Mueller investigation. No matter how clear cut, to you guys it's always going to be a conspiracy, rigged, unfair, etc.
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So, tell me what any of this has to do with election 2016

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j-mac said:
Sure it is...democrats are traitors for real.

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Are you saying that the Democrats colluded with the Russians to lose the election and frame Trump for colluding with the Russians?
 
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j-mac said:
So, tell me what any of this has to do with election 2016

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Manafort knew of Papadopoulos' discussions with the Russian government about obtaining 'dirt' on Hillary and his interest in scheduling a meeting between Putin and Trump.
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
idk

Is the Trump DOJ taking action on that?

Or are they the kind of folks who let treason against America slide?
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Wow! Nice how you turn that around.. patience liberal, it'll be answered in due time.

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Khayembii Communique said:
At this point it's unquestionable that Russia had connections to the Trump campaign. Papadopoulos was in direct contact with who he thought was Putin's niece, on the basis of securing "dirt" on Clinton. He also pushed to set up meetings between Trump and Putin, as well as lower level campaign members. It is known that Manafort, Lewandowski and Clovis all knew of Papadopoulos' interactions and were even discussing them via email.

It's also known that Carter Page met with Rosneft executives, though the terms of the meeting aren't known. He has also admitted to being involved in the above discussions regarding Russia.

The connections are founded. What isn't clear is if anything came from those connections. But we know now, for a fact, that there were connections between the Trump campaign and the Russian government.
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It's unquestionable that both campaigns had connections to Russia. It isn't illegal to speak to Russians. You're allowed to listen to what they say, as well. Furthermore, even participants in election campaigns are permitted to exercise their first amendment rights. What a great country, huh?
 
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humbolt said:
It's unquestionable that both campaigns had connections to Russia. It isn't illegal to speak to Russians. You're allowed to listen to what they say, as well. Furthermore, even participants in election campaigns are permitted to exercise their first amendment rights. What a great country, huh?
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I don't think I've seen any connection made between the Clinton campaign and the interests of the Russian government. Have you?

Further, this simply isn't true. Here's a great article on the possible crimes committed:
"When Collusion with a Foreign Government Becomes a Crime" -
 
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Chomsky said:
Again, where are you getting this stuff?

If a campaign meets with an enemy nation for election assistance, it is very illegal! :doh
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Not disputing you, but can you back that up by giving us the law? Would having a dossier created on Trump fall under it?
 
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Jack Hays said:
Regardless, it means the top 10% will inevitably reap most of the benefit of any tax cut because they're already paying more than the rest.
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That doesn't necessarily follow. One can structure a tax-cut to only target certain groups -- such as the lower x%. The GOP just seems to always target the top group and, with a straight face, tell us it's a middle-class tax-cut.
 
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j-mac said:
No, I don't suppose you ever would...TRUUUUUMMMMPPPPP!

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Trump won, get over it.
 
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Floridafan said:
What do Manaforts problems have to do with Hillary?
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I think Winston was being sarcastic.
 
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Herkamer63 said:
You're right. it won't affect the outcome because there's no evidence of collusion between and Trump and the Russians, so Trump will remain president.
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The sad thing that we have seen is for some on the right who love Trump, it would take a letter from Putin himself stating that he willingly colluded with Trump to steal the election for him and a statement by Trump stating that Putin is telling the truth and even then some Trumpkins would find a reason to discount that.

These are the same Trumpkins who pretend that Trump did not willingly and openly invite the Russians to interfere in our election process in Pennsylvania late July in the campaign and have a poor excuse for all his offensive behavior which is mocked by everybody else.

And they pretend that Trump did not openly mock a disabled reporter even though its on tape and everyone can see it.

And they pretend the Access Hollywood tape is not a confession of sexual misbehavior as well.

One delusion after another.

So statements that there is no collision when we have the goods on PapaDop and the emails from Don Jr on the purpose of the Russian meeting at Trump Tower is simply willful delusional behavior.

Like the noted FOX conservative Charles Krauthammer said - bungled collusion is still collusion.

Only the delusional Trumpkins playing ostrich with reality refuse to see that.
 
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Herkamer63 said:
And here we go, again, with more unreliable material from unreliable sources. One from the Establishment and one from a lying news organization. Both of which sang Hillary's praises (yeah very reliable). Anyway, the actual documents, around 30 pages of it on Paul Manafort, in this case do not state Trump nor his campaign as under suspicion of collusion. It all went back 10 years, well before Trump was even considering running for president. So again, my question is are they investigating what happened 10 years ago or are they investigating this collusion business? They're 2 separate issues. You can even say they're unrelated.
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No it is not unrelated

Where did the Judicial system cheer lead for HRC??

I guess you could consider the Justice system as part of the system or authorized under the Constitution.
The link on George shows repeated contacts with Russian Govt officials.

Emails also show Mnatafort had knowledge of this. So did Kushner and Donnie Jnr.
Be interesting to know what their testimony was to Congress.

If one or the other or both lied to Congress, then "18 U.S. Code § 1001 - Statements or entries generally" can lead to charges and if convicted Digger time

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001

Link to Dep AGs letter ref SP
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...t-Mueller-Special-Counsel-Russia.html?mcubz=1
 
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Khayembii Communique said:
Manafort knew of Papadopoulos' discussions with the Russian government about obtaining 'dirt' on Hillary and his interest in scheduling a meeting between Putin and Trump.
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And Trump campaign repeatedly rebuffed his proposals...he was a nobody volunteer for Christ sake. Not the future SoS.

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j-mac said:
And Trump campaign repeatedly rebuffed his proposals...he was a nobody volunteer for Christ sake. Not the future SoS.

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Perhaps that's true, but we don't really know if his proposals were actually "rebuffed". I suppose we'll find out what the Papadopoulos wire provided to investigators in the coming weeks.

But what we do know is that Papadopoulos started pushing for a meeting with the Russians in March. Don Jr. met with a Russian in Trump Tower in June.

Specifically, in an email released through this investigation, and in connection with Mr. P's proposals, Manafort on May 21st said to Gates via email that "we need someone to communicate that [Trump] is not doing these trips. It should be someone low level in the campaign so as not to send any signal." Trump Jr's meeting happened on June 9th, a few weeks later.
 
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j-mac said:
And Trump campaign repeatedly rebuffed his proposals...he was a nobody volunteer for Christ sake. Not the future SoS.

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Tillerson has ties to Russia. Popadopoulos was a foreign policy adviser. That's not a candy-striper.
 
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Herkamer63 said:
And they're not going to find anything related to Trump. This whole investigation is fraudulent in nature. It's a waste of time, and it's horrible politics. It's a fake case to try and calm an angry mob of Leftist voters who didn't get what they want. So say what you want because I'm not convinced that Trump has anything to do with it, nor do I believe, given all that has happened so far, that there is any evidence that Trump even colluded with Russia. All this is wishful thinking on the anti-Trump side. So unless if something does come out these files that put Trump there (which there won't be other than the fake golden shower dossier), this investigation is nothing more than a publicity stunt.
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Same types of things they said about Watergate.

Trump would be crying "fake news" to Woodward and Bernstein.:lamo

I do not know where this is leading. I really am with an open mind whether any of this lands on Trumps door. I do not believe he is a honest and respectable person, but I have no clue whether this lands on Trump's door or not.
 
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j-mac said:
You get over it.

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But think of all the lawyers gaining massive amounts of wealth defending the Trump team.
 
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j-mac said:
Wow! Nice how you turn that around.. patience liberal, it'll be answered in due time.
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If Hillary isn't indicted by Christmas 2018, will you be wrong?
Or might it take till like Easter 2019?
Or will it take even longer before Trump's DoJ takes action on this?

How long till we can see just how right you are?
 
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j-mac said:
And Trump campaign repeatedly rebuffed his proposals...he was a nobody volunteer for Christ sake. Not the future SoS.

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Time to cut the bullshyte. George P was introduced by trump as a member of his team, a man who was an expert in oil and gas. Is that what you call a nobody?
 
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Floridafan said:
Time to cut the bullshyte. George P was introduced by trump as a member of his team, a man who was an expert in oil and gas. Is that what you call a nobody?
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That may be the currently operative statement.

You might oughta check back in a day or two to see if there is a new operative statement.

One of the other currently operative statements is that Manafort stopped laundering money before he got with the Trump campaign.
It's a false statement, but it's currently being operated by operatives.
 
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If you bother to go to youtube I am sure you will find the video of Trump introducing George as a member of his team, calling him an expert in oil and gas. Now if you call that the "currently operative statement" then you are an even bigger fool.
 
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Khayembii Communique said:
I don't think I've seen any connection made between the Clinton campaign and the interests of the Russian government. Have you?
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Yes, you have seen that connection, and so have I. You might want to expand your information sources a little, but that's up to you.

Further, this simply isn't true. Here's a great article on the possible crimes committed:
"When Collusion with a Foreign Government Becomes a Crime" -
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Well, yes it is true Americans are permitted to speak and interact with Russians. I hope we all want to pursue illegalities that might have occurred, if any, during the last election, and any number may have occurred. But speaking to Russians and meeting with them in and of itself doesn't constitute collusion or conspiracy, and collusion in and of itself is not a crime. We conduct business with Russians routinely.
 
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poweRob said:
I guess you didn't really think out what you just said. Of course I'm hoping it's a long road and not a short one that ends quickly and nothing to see.
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I just don't want to see your heart broken....again 😁
 
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