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Democrats Work To Stop Trump From Launching Nuclear Strike on North Korea

braindrain said:
I have to ask. Did you not read your own link. The president has unilateral discretion to use nuclear weapons. The Secretary of Defense can not veto the presidents decision.

Straight from your link.
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Somebody has to agree with the president. That is what the two man rule means. The secretary can't veto the decision, but he must confirm the decision was made. If he doesn't the president can fire him and run down the chain of command until someone agrees with him. There has to be two people for the decision. Technically the second man has to agree, but in reality he can resign and not follow the order. It might appear like the president has all the power here, but the second man doesn't have to obey the order even though he swore an oath.
 
Cardinal said:
"Legal authority to approve the order, but cannot veto it" sure doesn't look like any kind of "check" I've ever heard of.
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It isn't adequate, but it is a check because there has to be someone else there.
 
MrPeanut said:
It isn't adequate, but it is a check because there has to be someone else there.
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A gas pedal is also technically required to be there if I want my car to accelerate. That doesn't make it a check.
 
Cardinal said:
A gas pedal is also technically required to be there if I want my car to accelerate.
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A nuclear strike is probably the most important moral decision a person could make in modern times. I'm not convinced that if Trump threw a hissy fit and decided to bomb someone that anyone along the chain of command wouldn't just put in some ear plugs to negate his power. I would like to see legislation passed to make the wording much stricter when it comes authorizing a strike, but as it stands Trump does not actually have ultimate power in this situation. He can't just decide to fire a missile and then do it. He has to comply with the two-man rule.
 
MrPeanut said:
A nuclear strike is probably the most important moral decision a person could make in modern times. I'm not convinced that if Trump threw a hissy fit and decided to bomb someone that anyone along the chain of command wouldn't just put in some ear plugs to negate his power. I would like to see legislation passed to make the wording much stricter when it comes authorizing a strike, but as it stands Trump does not actually have ultimate power in this situation. He can't just decide to fire a missile and then do it. He has to comply with the two-man rule.
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If you follow the hyperlink of the two man rule provided in your Wiki link you come across this:
The two-man rule only applies in the missile silos and submarines; there is no check on the president's sole authority to order a nuclear launch.
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Want to rethink your position?
 
cuban smokes said:
at the time that piece was recorded, a full year before Joe made a decision to tell the GOP to go **** itself, Joe was GOP ........ ................... ..... .... .......... ... ........ .
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Joe OBVIOUSLY has more foresight & intuition than 99.999% of anyone ............ Joe knows that one dumbass can destroy the planet ..........
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Accept that you picked a bad example. Move on.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Accept that you picked a bad example. Move on.
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nope; Joe was a red ass Republican when that segment was recorded, by about nearly a year

go ahead there & keep supporting the racist, bigot, flip ****ing, arrogant, bullying, ***** grabbing, fornicating, Jesus vote getting, wanna B nuclear bombing the planet, jackass .............
 
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cuban smokes said:
nope; Joe was a red ass Republican when that segment was recorded, by about nearly a year

go ahead there & keep supporting the racist, bigot, flip ****ing, arrogant, bullying, ***** grabbing, fornicating, Jesus vote getting, wanna B nuclear bombing the planet, jackass .............
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Someone seems triggered. You should realize a lot of the same arguments were used about Reagan when it came to foreign policy. Appeasement does not work.
 
faithful_servant said:
Oh look, it's Congressional TDS...
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Yup, and considering they want to put that kind of power to a vote. We can possibly vote out the US striking first in a nuclear war somewhere out of our lifetimes, because we know they could not get their own **** together for that.

This is just more political BS.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Someone seems triggered. You should realize a lot of the same arguments were used about Reagan when it came to foreign policy. Appeasement does not work.
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The only one that matters is triggered nuclear apocalyptic trump ...
 
NIMBY said:
The only one that matters is triggered nuclear apocalyptic trump ...
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Businessmen don't have a lot of apocalyptic bent to them nor are they easily triggered. People like you on the other hand...
 
OpportunityCost said:
Businessmen don't have a lot of apocalyptic bent to them nor are they easily triggered. People like you on the other hand...
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I call trump apocalyptic; you call posters apocalyptic; all the difference in the World;

Wow; another Sane GOP Senator speaks out; Sen. Sasse condemns "White Backlash Grievance" on Right ...
 
NIMBY said:
I call trump apocalyptic; you call posters apocalyptic; all the difference in the World;

Wow; another Sane GOP Senator speaks out; Sen. Sasse condemns "White Backlash Grievance" on Right ...
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No. I called YOU apocalyptic.
 
NIMBY said:
Exactly; just like trump; attack the messenger, not the message, because you can't ,
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When you are making an attack on someone else, what gives you reason to believe your message matters and is worth attacking? Especially with your somewhat angry, neurotic delivery.
 
Mycroft said:
I can see it now...

NK prepares for a nuclear launch. The President tells Congress and asks for permission to launch a first strike. Less than a week later, while Congress is STILL talking about it, Honolulu is wiped off the face of the Earth.
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Not that I trust N.Korea, but they do officially have a 'no first use' policy with nukes.
 
Aristaeus said:
Not that I trust N.Korea, but they do officially have a 'no first use' policy with nukes.
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They probably also have a don't starve your people to death policy, but they do that.
 
cuban smokes said:
Democrats Work To Stop Trump From Launching Nuclear Strike on North Korea

By Graham Lanktree On 10/26/17 at 11:06 AM

Democrats Work To Stop Trump From Launching Nuclear Strike on North Korea


Democratic Senators are trying to prevent President Donald Trump from being able to launch a nuclear first strike against North Korea.

Senators Chris Murphy, Corey Booker, and Brian Schatz will introduce a bill that would give Congress alone the ability to call in a first strike after a vote, Murphy announced Wednesday.

“Trump's North Korea threats are real,” Senator Murphy of Connecticut wrote on Twitter late Wednesday, stating they intend to constrain the president’s executive authority to use nuclear weapons.

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Happy Halloween folks, the **** is brewing ..............
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Typical... wanting to control.

Damn authoritarians.
 
apdst said:
The Democrats are stuck on stupid.

Not only can't they take launch authority away from the president, publically stating they can sends a very dangerous message to Kim.
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That might be their plan.
 
Aristaeus said:
Not that I trust N.Korea, but they do officially have a 'no first use' policy with nukes.
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Are you willing to place control...and the ability to prevent catastrophe...in the hands of Congress? Especially since you don't trust NK?
 
Mycroft said:
Are you willing to place control...and the ability to prevent catastrophe...in the hands of Congress? Especially since you don't trust NK?
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I don't trust Trump either. Trump has a narcissistic personality disorder and I don't trust him not to needlessly start a nuclear war just to feed his ego.

N.Korea have had nukes for 8 years and never used them against anyone.
 
Aristaeus said:
I don't trust Trump either. Trump has a narcissistic personality disorder and I don't trust him not to needlessly start a nuclear war just to feed his ego.

N.Korea have had nukes for 8 years and never used them against anyone.
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Because they didn't have a delivery device capable of hitting targets very far away geographically. Simply if they used one, the rest of the world would have obliterated them.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Because they didn't have a delivery device capable of hitting targets very far away geographically. Simply if they used one, the rest of the world would have obliterated them.
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They don't need a delivery device capable of hitting targets very far away to nuke Seoul or Japan.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Because they didn't have a delivery device capable of hitting targets very far away geographically. Simply if they used one, the rest of the world would have obliterated them.
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a nuke could be placed into a cargo container & dropped off at any port; San Francisco OK for ya?

how 'bout new Orleans, Norfolk, NYC?
 
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