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NBC News Analyst Mark Halperin Accused of Sexual Harassment

Hawkeye10 said:
We dont know for a fact that any of them who claim to be victims are.

And if they be victims what was done to them?

Did a guy look at them wrong?

Did he ask for a date?

Maybe a donut?
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Yes we do. He admitted it and apologized. And resigned.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I think some big name actors (note the men) are complicit. Based on how few have come forward and how they uncomfortable during certain interviews talking about this subject. I think it's clear that this is just the tip of the iceberg.
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Yeah...


Poppy Bush is ass-grabbing from the wheel-chair. Many powerful people that have spent their lives riding on the backs of others are finally getting called out.

In the past women were not believed when they spoke out. Hell there are still some mental dinosaurs in this thread pushing that Mad Men bull****. I'm glad that wall has came crumbling down.
 
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If this is true - he deserves to be out on his ass. And from his own comments - it seems there is some truth to it.
 
poweRob said:
Heeeeere we go. Blame the victim time.


Terry Crews explains why sexual assault survivors don't come forward

Crews said he talked to people who worked with the executive. The next day, the executive called Crews to apologize, "but never really explained why he did what he did," Crews said.

"I decided not to take it further because I didn't want to be ostracized -- par for the course when the predator has power and influence," he said on Twitter.

"I let it go. And I understand why many women who this happens to let it go," he continued, laying out the potential scenario:

"Who's going to believe you? Few.
"What are the repercussions? Many.
"Do you want 2 work again? Yes.
"Are you prepared to be ostracized? No."​
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So they all became brave after Cosby? Weinstein? From the article's reasoning some had something to gain by being silent.
 
WCH said:
So they all became brave after Cosby? Weinstein?
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No. Assholes couldn't hide it anymore after that. And people started believing the victims.

WCH said:
From the article's reasoning some had something to gain by being silent.
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That make it magically not happen or something?
 
poweRob said:
No. Assholes couldn't hide it anymore after that. And people started believing the victims.



That make it magically not happen or something?
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Guess that depend on ones pov
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
The victims might disagree.



are you actually suggesting it's better that liberals and are you saying that liberals don't care about family values?
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I think women feel safer around someone who preaches family values so the sense of betrayal is greater when they do it.
 
Halperin admits his behavior was bad enough to at least "take a break" from work:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...b11e4b0af27f58993a2?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

The women in the CNN report, who asked the outlet to keep their identities private, did not report Halperin to ABC management out of fear of retribution. None of the women told the outlet that Halperin threatened to retaliate against them or promised anything in exchange for sex.
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“Under the circumstances, I’m going to take a step back from my day-to-day work while I properly deal with this situation,” he said.
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Floridafan said:
Its worse when it comes from the party of "family values".
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"It's worse when it comes from the party of 'women's issues' and 'feminism' and 'social justice'."

No. No it's not. For the victims of these kind of things, the political persuasion of the person, and even more so the general political messaging of the ideological side they happen to belong to, is likely the last thing on their mind and of their concern.

It's not a stain on liberalism or "worse" if someone on the left does something incredibly environmentally unsound. It's not a stain on conservative or "wores" if someone on the right cheats on their wife. It's not a stain on liberalism or "worse" when a person on the left engages in sexual discrimination or assault. It's not a stain on conservatism or "worse" if someone on the right engages in gun violence.

An individuals actions do not represent an entire ideology. Someone failing to live up to the standards they profess to desires doesn't mean those standards are not what they desire (how many of you with Children tell them not to lie; how many of you have never lied?). Someone being a hypocrite, while bad to varying degrees in and of itself, is of little real bearing on the severity of a far greater transgression like sexual assault.

For **** sakes man, not only do you not even bother to even SPEAK to the actions described in the OP, you've flat out handwaved it going "Well, it's not AS bad..."
 
All guys are pigs. The primary reason guys seek power and money, is so that they can find attractive girls to have sex with. I can't imagine this is ever going to be changed and it will never end despite shaming a few.
 
WCH said:
No it's not. However, where have these women been? Why have they waited so long to say something?
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I can't speak to these women individually, but it's generally true that what allows men to get away with this stuff is power, and they wield it in some way over the women who they harass or assault. In a situation that often comes down to he said/she said, who will the employer side with? Guy who brings in $millions in ad dollars, or relatively expendable woman? Etc..... Seems incredible you can have participated in several of these threads and not recognized this yet.
 
WCH said:
So they all became brave after Cosby? Weinstein? From the article's reasoning some had something to gain by being silent.
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Right, that something to gain is 'not ruining their lives/careers over accusations that they often cannot prove.'

Does this surprise you in some way? Absent a video or audio tape or eye witness account, this outcome is not only possible but extremely likely:

1) Ruins life, and
2) Sexual predator faces no consequences, in large part because they are powerful men.
 
WCH said:
Guess that depend on ones pov
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No. It doesn't. Either it happened or it didn't. That's not a point of view. That's a fact.
 
JasperL said:
I can't speak to these women individually, but it's generally true that what allows men to get away with this stuff is power, and they wield it in some way over the women who they harass or assault. In a situation that often comes down to he said/she said, who will the employer side with? Guy who brings in $millions in ad dollars, or relatively expendable woman? Etc..... Seems incredible you can have participated in several of these threads and not recognized this yet.
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To me it says they got what they wanted out of this 'relationship' at the time and were fine with it up until a certain point. I'm looking for the trigger here. What set them off?
 
WCH said:
To me it says they got what they wanted out of this 'relationship' at the time and were fine with it up until a certain point. I'm looking for the trigger here. What set them off?
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If that's the lesson you learn from reading about why women don't report, and after several of these debates, not much I can say. Seems you're determined to blame victims for not willingly exposing themselves to being victims AGAIN and ruining their careers and/or lives for no gain. Women aren't the problem here.

Why don't people getting shaken down by the mob go immediately to the police? Gosh, maybe the prospect of getting burned out, beaten or killed is a deterrent, plus if there is a history of the mob not facing consequences because the accusations are very hard to prove and the mob hires good lawyers, that might be a factor too. Seems obvious, right? They also got what they wanted out of their relationship with the mob - an intact business and to continue living with their limbs and teeth intact! Now apply that same principle to women sexually assaulted or harassed and you have your answer.

As to what set them off, that seems completely obvious, too. One replaceable actress against Weinstein is incredibly tilted in favor of Weinstein. If it goes public, it's her word against one of the most powerful men in Hollywood. Why would one woman with little power make false accusations against a rich person? Money of course. Or she is a whore, and now wants to be paid, or sees nothing to lose, whatever smear his $500 an hour lawyers come up with. But do that, malign her, and he's won the PR and likely legal battle. IF it's 10 women, all with similar stories, over a period of years, that power imbalance changes, quite a bit. Why would 10 women, not otherwise connected, all tell similar stories of abuse against an INNOCENT man?
 
JasperL said:
If that's the lesson you learn from reading about why women don't report, and after several of these debates, not much I can say. Seems you're determined to blame victims for not willingly exposing themselves to being victims AGAIN and ruining their careers and/or lives for no gain. Women aren't the problem here.

Why don't people getting shaken down by the mob go immediately to the police? Gosh, maybe the prospect of getting burned out, beaten or killed is a deterrent, plus if there is a history of the mob not facing consequences because the accusations are very hard to prove and the mob hires good lawyers, that might be a factor too. Seems obvious, right? They also got what they wanted out of their relationship with the mob - an intact business and to continue living with their limbs and teeth intact! Now apply that same principle to women sexually assaulted or harassed and you have your answer.

As to what set them off, that seems completely obvious, too. One replaceable actress against Weinstein is incredibly tilted in favor of Weinstein. If it goes public, it's her word against one of the most powerful men in Hollywood. Why would one woman with little power make false accusations against a rich person? Money of course. Or she is a whore, and now wants to be paid, or sees nothing to lose, whatever smear his $500 an hour lawyers come up with. But do that, malign her, and he's won the PR and likely legal battle. IF it's 10 women, all with similar stories, over a period of years, that power imbalance changes, quite a bit. Why would 10 women, not otherwise connected, all tell similar stories of abuse against an INNOCENT man?
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I said what triggered them to come forward NOW?
 
WCH said:
It's their word against his. He denied most of the hardcore stuff.
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LOL. You recognize this and then question why women don't come forward more often. It's because to be believed they need proof. Even when many come forward, you still demand proof. Well, how are they going to provide proof without a video/audio or eye witnesses? Gosh, often they can't!

Why would women come forward with anonymous allegations, you might ask. Well, it's because they now know the person has done this to many women, and although they can't prove their case in court, a unified front with many independent witnesses is compelling and might put incredible pressure on the predator to change his ways.

There's a risk a person is unfairly accused and his life ruined for nothing, so we need to take these things with a big bucket of salt, but the person admitted to wrongdoing, just not the worst of it (which only a complete moron would do) so seems like the gist is likely close to the truth.
 
WCH said:
I said what triggered them to come forward NOW?
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I addressed that in my last paragraph. Otherwise, how the hell can I know without talking to each woman in this story and having them tell me THEIR individual story? It's going to vary person to person.
 
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