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Three charged in shooting after Spencer talk [W:80:197]

re: Three charged in shooting after Spencer talk [W 80]

He was referring to the two sides of the Confederate monument debate. Your hackery empowers racists. Is that really a good idea?






Didn't want you to miss it this time.

Really?....One side had Alt Right Nazi Bigots......I hope those Nazis get their asses beat daily in jail....But no doubt some are "fine people"
 
re: Three charged in shooting after Spencer talk [W 80]

Really?....One side had Alt Right Nazi Bigots......I hope those Nazis get their asses beat daily in jail....But no doubt some are "fine people"

Yes, really. He has condemned white supremacists on multiple occasions before and after Charleston. He meant the two sides of the debate which the event was supposed to be based on. The event was advertised as a rally for various factions of the right wing, to unite them in the argument to keep the monuments.

Trump was, beyond any doubt, referring to the two sides of the debate upon which the event was supposedly based.

When you choose to play political hack and pretend he was speaking of white supremacists, you are empowering white supremacists. Your hackery may be well intentioned in your mind but look past your nose, you're empowering white supremacists with misinformation. You might as well be working for a white supremacist group, the propaganda you're supplying for them. Just stop it.
 
re: Three charged in shooting after Spencer talk [W 80]

Do you always hand-wave attempted murder? If it was, say, Antifa people who shot at someone, would your reaction be the same?



No sir, I don't.

F'rinstance, if the people at the stop had just ignored them, and they'd fired a shot at them anyway, then clearly that would be a case where entirely innocent people were put under threat for no reason.

But that's not what happened, is it.

Somebody had to be Mr I'll-Show-Them and, in response to words, hit the car with a baton or club. That's a provocation, and an escalation. That's a physical response to words, its an act of violence in response to verbage.

Yes, an act of violence. Yes, I know it was against the car, but it is still a threatening act implying the next blow might be on your head.

What is likely to follow is entirely predictable. I've seen it so many times it almost bores me. At least this time is stopped before someone was dead.


See, hitting someone's car with a baton is a crime. It is vandalism at a minimum. It could be construed as assault in some cases if it was part of a larger threat.


Does that mean it was okay for the idiots in the car to stop, get out and shoot? Hell no. That was also a crime. But that doesn't mean the car-beater gets a free pass. He does not. He did something stupid that escalated a situation which would probably have fizzled out otherwise.


So... stupid met stupid, and stupid actions followed. If I had a dollar for every time I've seen it, I could retire.


Very little sympathy for any of them.
 
re: Three charged in shooting after Spencer talk [W 80]

I guess you're OK with white supremacists who literally tried to kill people. :shrug:

If the tables were turned, you would be singing a different tune.
 
re: Three charged in shooting after Spencer talk [W 80]

You really don't see the irony, do you.

Yes, I do...on your part.

I see American citizens who were attacked for excercising their civil rights.

You see white supremacists who got what they deserved.

Let's turn the tables:

I would see three American citizens who were attacked for excercising their civil rights.

You would see three innocent victims who were defending themselves from evil white supremacists.

Oh yeah, I see the irony everytime a Liberal opens his mouth.
 
re: Three charged in shooting after Spencer talk [W 80]

Yes, really. He has condemned white supremacists on multiple occasions before and after Charleston. He meant the two sides of the debate which the event was supposed to be based on. The event was advertised as a rally for various factions of the right wing, to unite them in the argument to keep the monuments.

Trump was, beyond any doubt, referring to the two sides of the debate upon which the event was supposedly based.

When you choose to play political hack and pretend he was speaking of white supremacists, you are empowering white supremacists. Your hackery may be well intentioned in your mind but look past your nose, you're empowering white supremacists with misinformation. You might as well be working for a white supremacist group, the propaganda you're supplying for them. Just stop it.

Still I want to see their Bigoted White asses get beat in Jail...So there is that
 
re: Three charged in shooting after Spencer talk [W 80]

Yes, I do...on your part.

I see American citizens who were attacked for excercising their civil rights.

You see white supremacists who got what they deserved.

Let's turn the tables:

I would see three American citizens who were attacked for excercising their civil rights.

You would see three innocent victims who were defending themselves from evil white supremacists.

Oh yeah, I see the irony everytime a Liberal opens his mouth.

You don't have the slightest clue how I see things. I don't believe you could. As far as I'm concerned, you're in a deep dark hole trying to describe a scene a world away.

Good day.
 
re: Three charged in shooting after Spencer talk [W 80]

You're ok with these kinds of attacks?

Why are you asking that? Please be specific, since I nowhere implied I supported violence.
 
re: Three charged in shooting after Spencer talk [W 80]

Still I want to see their Bigoted White asses get beat in Jail...So there is that

do you hate white people?
 
re: Three charged in shooting after Spencer talk [W 80]

Sounds like self defense. Good job supporting the violence.
No...they had removed themselves from imminent danger, there was no JOA.

He had no right to use lethal force in self-defense.

I dont support any kind of stupidity but reallllly dont appreciate immature assholes with no self-control that add to "gun control fodder."
 
re: Three charged in shooting after Spencer talk [W 80]

Still I want to see their Bigoted White asses get beat in Jail...So there is that

Racists are scum of the Earth, but I don't advocate battery and I don't advocate or abide rape, so I stay out of any 'revenge via prison' stuff.

Regarding my original objection, let's not tell racists the President thinks some of them are fine or good people, that only empowers them. It's not what Trump meant. There's plenty of material to use against Trump, that one is not worth the real world cost.
 
re: Three charged in shooting after Spencer talk [W 80]

do you hate white people?

Bigoted Nazi Loving Alt Right White Nationalists types?...................Yeah I do...So do most true Americans...You think some are "fine people?"
 
re: Three charged in shooting after Spencer talk [W 80]

Bigoted Nazi Loving Alt Right White Nationalists types?...................Yeah I do...So do most true Americans...You think some are "fine people?"

never said that and you didn't answer my question. Your posts suggest you are bigoted against whites.
 
re: Three charged in shooting after Spencer talk [W 80]

never said that and you didn't answer my question. Your posts suggest you are bigoted against whites.

I answered pretty specifically...Are you some snowflake type that is sensitive...trump says the time for PC is over
 
re: Three charged in shooting after Spencer talk [W 80]

Three charged in shooting after Spencer talk - News - Gainesville Sun - Gainesville, FL





Wow! I thought that Spencer's posse was peaceable! :roll: Someone bumps their car with a baton and then they try to kill them. Yeah, totally peaceable. :roll:

I am sure that there will be people here who will justify this attempted murder based on the aggressor's car being hit by a baton. Those who do are saying that attempted murder is okay. They choose not to understand that two wrongs don't make a right. They choose not to understand that these white supremacists were the real danger here. They also choose not to understand that the shooter, Tenbrink, was looking for a fight:



I hope Tenbrink gets life without parole and that his posse spends a long time behind bars.

There are police supporters that would say this waz a good shoot if it was a cop.
 
re: Three charged in shooting after Spencer talk [W 80]

Three charged in shooting after Spencer talk - News - Gainesville Sun - Gainesville, FL





Wow! I thought that Spencer's posse was peaceable! :roll: Someone bumps their car with a baton and then they try to kill them. Yeah, totally peaceable. :roll:

I am sure that there will be people here who will justify this attempted murder based on the aggressor's car being hit by a baton. Those who do are saying that attempted murder is okay. They choose not to understand that two wrongs don't make a right. They choose not to understand that these white supremacists were the real danger here. They also choose not to understand that the shooter, Tenbrink, was looking for a fight:



I hope Tenbrink gets life without parole and that his posse spends a long time behind bars.

Neo-Nazi's went to Florida to support Trump as they did in Charlottesville. Unfortunately there is a new wing that has grown on the Republican Party called the ALT Right---thanks to Trump and Steve Bannon of Brietbart news.

As the official start of the “Unite the Right” rally kicked off in Charlottesville, Virginia, former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke said the gathering of white supremacists, neo-Nazis and far-right individuals pointed to a future fulfillment of President Donald Trump’s “promises.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-kkk-leader-david-duke-180315141.html

White supremacists on Tuesday praised President Donald Trump for his return to equivocal rhetoric blaming “both sides” for violence that erupted over the weekend at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. White supremacist leader Richard Spencer praised Trump’s statement, made during an off-the-rails press conference at Trump Tower in Manhattan, as “fair and down to earth.”
White Supremacists Praise Trump’s Return To Rhetoric Blaming ‘Both Sides’ – Talking Points Memo

Slowly but surely, Bannon turned Breitbart into not only the most-read conservative web outlet but also the most incendiary one. It was happy to embrace fringe beliefs like birtherism and play footsie with blatantly racist notions of black criminality. It wasn’t interested in looking even faintly objective, instead inventing easily understood “narratives” of crusading conservative heroes and their many victories against the hated left. Bannon’s Breitbart also realized that there was a large online community that naturally gravitated to Trump, a mix of people who saw themselves as far too radical to be accepted by polite society. Among them, conservative suspicions of diversity, inclusion, feminism, and political correctness had metastasized into something much darker.

This was the alt-right, a collection of racists, pick-up artists, men’s rights activists, and other noxious trolls of the internet.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/steve-bannon-and-the-alt-right-a-primer/

Now you know why Trump called NFL players that kneeled during the National Anthem sob's, but couldn't bring himself around to calling Neo-Nazi's and White Supremacists, sob's after they used an ISIS style attack that ended up killing a 32 year old woman. The ALT right are yuuuuuge supporters of Trump. They were even making robo calls for him during the campaign season.
White Supremacist American Freedom Party Makes Pro-Trump Robocalls

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When you campaign on hate and violence, you're going to attract hate and violence. And they crawled out from under their rocks to get to Trump.



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Now you also understand Hillary Clinton's comment--when she stated that 50% of Trump's support are deplorable.
 
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re: Three charged in shooting after Spencer talk [W 80]

I answered pretty specifically...Are you some snowflake type that is sensitive...trump says the time for PC is over

sensitive isn't exactly a term most of the long time posters on this board would apply to me. do you plan on 'rising up' anytime soon?
 
re: Three charged in shooting after Spencer talk [W 80]

Well, obviously attempted murder is wrong. There was no justification for that amount of force.

However, why did that guy think hitting his car with a baton was a good idea? That is unbelievably stupid. These racist lunatics are dangerous: the last thing you should do is try to provoke them.

In fact, you should just stay away from these clows entirely. It is not worth the risk, and it only gives them the attention they want.

Woah!! Slow down with the common sense...
 
re: Three charged in shooting after Spencer talk [W 80]

That doesn't matter. Attempted murder is attempted murder. If someone strikes my car, I don't have the right to shoot them.

What if you were driving a Ferrari?
 
re: Three charged in shooting after Spencer talk [W 80]

I'd like to see them arrested and charged..If they resist or threaten law enforcement...Shoot their bigoted white asses

What if they were black?
 
re: Three charged in shooting after Spencer talk [W 80]

The driver is under no obligation to retreat.

He did retreat. Then he shot from a safe distancem
 
re: Three charged in shooting after Spencer talk [W 80]

Well, obviously attempted murder is wrong. There was no justification for that amount of force.

However, why did that guy think hitting his car with a baton was a good idea? That is unbelievably stupid. These racist lunatics are dangerous: the last thing you should do is try to provoke them.

In fact, you should just stay away from these clows entirely. It is not worth the risk, and it only gives them the attention they want.

Shadows wither under the spotlight.

Publicity does not equal popularity, and if these neon nazis publically paint themselves as violent bigots, everyone will refuse to publically align themselves with these bigots.
 
re: Three charged in shooting after Spencer talk [W 80]

Yes, I do...on your part.

I see American citizens who were attacked for excercising their civil rights.

You see white supremacists who got what they deserved.

Let's turn the tables:

I would see three American citizens who were attacked for excercising their civil rights.

You would see three innocent victims who were defending themselves from evil white supremacists.

Oh yeah, I see the irony everytime a Liberal opens his mouth.

If people praise adolf hitler. They should be striped of their rights.
 
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