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Colin Kaepernick files lawsuit against the NFL accusing owners of colluding against him

justabubba said:
i don't think he is a great qb
i do believe he is a better qb than many who are presently playing in the NFL
which causes me to believe there is potentially something to his assertion of collusion
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whether he thinks he is better is irrelevant. whether you think he is better is irrelevant.
and does not support collusion.
 
Fenton said:
Where are you getting your information ? Kapernicks protest is just a extension of a strict adhrance to identity politcs thats cost the Democrats so many elections over the last 7 years

No, the majority of Americans do not agree or relate with a guy who wears socks with pigs as cops embroidered on them and idolizies Communist murdering thugs like Che Guevera.
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You are just making random silly statements that don't amount to anything. The NFL protests started to bring attention to social injustices and they have done just that. The majority of Americans support the idea of racial equality which includes treatment by law enforcement. You can pretend it is about socks all you'd like but it isn't. I am not going to play that game where we argue about about whether Che was good for Australian sock manufacturers. Racial equality thats all it is.
 
Zyphlin said:
Vince Young didn't get a second contract with his team
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After 5 years with the Titans, Vince Young was given a second chance with the Eagles, a third chance with the Bills, a 4th chance with the Packers, and than a 5th chance with the Browns.

So he got 5 chances from 5 different teams.

Zyphlin said:
neither did Tim Tebow
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After two years with the Broncos, Tebow was given a second chance with the Jets, a third chance with the Patriots, and a fourth chance with the Eagles.

Zyphlin said:
, neither did EJ Manue
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After 4 years with the Bills, EJ Manuel was given a second chance with the Raiders.

Zyphlin said:
l, neither did Ryan Leaf, neither did RG3.
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Ryan Leaf played with 4 teams in the NFL and RG3 was given a second chance with the Browns.

Zyphlin said:
Kaepernick did. Kaepernicks "second chance" was with the team that signed a 6 year contract extension with his original team.
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Why wasn't Kaepernick not offered a contract this offseason. Tell me a QB of his pedigree or talent that was only given 1 mysterious work out with the Seahawks where the Seahawks coach said he was a championship caliber QB?
 
Bucky said:
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Oh look; one gigantic ass long pointless post that didn't even once deal with the actual comment and post I made.

But as a random aside, I'll be sure to take note of how highly you regards the Seahawk's coach keen eye for talent and skill. I'm Russell Wilson supporters will love your heartfelt support of him being even better than a championship caliber QB.
 
Bucky said:
Why wasn't Kaepernick not offered a contract this offseason.
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Possibly because Kaepernick believes he’s worth more than the teams think he is. He requested a trade last year but declined an offer from the Broncos because he didn’t want to take a pay cut. Then he opted out of his contract with the 49ers. The Seahawks considered him, but they couldn’t reach an agreement on salary.
 
Zyphlin said:
Oh look; one gigantic ass long pointless post that didn't even once deal with the actual comment and post I made.

But as a random aside, I'll be sure to take note of how highly you regards the Seahawk's coach keen eye for talent and skill. I'm Russell Wilson supporters will love your heartfelt support of him being even better than a championship caliber QB.
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Actually, you claims QBs like Vince Young were not given a second chance when in fact they were given 2, 3, 4, 5 chances.

The reason why CK does not have a contract has nothing to do with football reasons.
 
Napoleon said:
Possibly because Kaepernick believes he’s worth more than the teams think he is. He requested a trade last year but declined an offer from the Broncos because he didn’t want to take a pay cut. Then he opted out of his contract with the 49ers. The Seahawks considered him, but they couldn’t reach an agreement on salary.
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Was Kaepernick actually offered a contract with the Seahawks?
 
Napoleon said:
Not formally, but they got as far as salary negotiations.
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So, are you saying with confidence a contract was offered to Kaepernick from the Seahawks?

Where is your proof?
 
Bucky said:
So, are you saying with confidence a contract was offered to Kaepernick from the Seahawks?

Where is your proof?
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That’s not what I said. What I said is that he entered price negotiations and no contract came out of it. And it’s certainly consistent with his record over salary issues which is ultimately why he is a free agent.
 
Bucky said:
Actually, you claims QBs like Vince Young were not given a second chance when in fact they were given 2, 3, 4, 5 chances.
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I most certainly said no such thing. I'd suggest you reread my post.
 
Bucky said:
The reason why CK does not have a contract has nothing to do with football reasons.
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There are a multitude of footballs reasons that explain part of why Kaepernick doesn't have a contract.

There are also a number of locker room reasons that explain part of why Kaepernick doesn't have a contract.

There are also a number of business reasons thst explain part of why Kaepernick doesn't have a contract.

All three of those things are legitimate methods of deciding about who or who not to hire for your football team and are not inherently illegal or in violation of the CBA.
 
Zyphlin said:
There are a multitude of footballs reasons that explain part of why Kaepernick doesn't have a contract.

There are also a number of locker room reasons that explain part of why Kaepernick doesn't have a contract.

There are also a number of business reasons thst explain part of why Kaepernick doesn't have a contract.

All three of those things are legitimate methods of deciding about who or who not to hire for your football team and are not inherently illegal or in violation of the CBA.
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I am pretty sure that all that does not matter because THE KNEELER feels the need for attention.
 
j-mac said:
But, I think you are approaching it like CK owns the job, and the big meanies are all keeping him from what he's owed...Nobody owes him a damned thing!
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he is owed an opportunity to play if he has the skills to perform
taking a knee is no reason to deny CK an opportunity to play in the NFL

The NFL is merit based, and with him making everything about him, and not what he can do for a team doesn't make him marketable

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above, i spoke about CK being excluded not for being without the skills necessary to play qb at a pro level but because he had the courage to take a knee in protest
notice that taking a knee has no bearing on his merits as a pro calibre football qb
 
justabubba said:
he is owed an opportunity to play if he has the skills to perform
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What? No he's not. No one is OWED an opportunity to play.

And he had this off season as much opportunity as anyone else. He had tryouts, teams looked into him, they didn't pick him up.

And yes, the impact of him taking a knee...the potential impact to the business and to the lockerroom...absolutely ARE legitimate, legal, and justified reasons for teams to potentially pass on him.
 
justabubba said:
he is owed an opportunity to play if he has the skills to perform
taking a knee is no reason to deny CK an opportunity to play in the NFL
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Where do you come up with this stuff from? There are plenty of players out there way better than him who didn't make the team either.
he is not owed anything where do you get the idea that he is owed the opportunity?

sure it is.

above, i spoke about CK being excluded not for being without the skills necessary to play qb at a pro level but because he had the courage to take a knee in protest
notice that taking a knee has no bearing on his merits as a pro calibre football qb
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He doesn't have the skills his QBR rating is proof of that. His last 3 seasons he was at or near the bottom of the list.
and a team cannot sign him for whatever reason they want to.

they don't owe him a job just like they don't owe any of the other guys that got cut a job.
 
ludin said:
whether he thinks he is better is irrelevant. whether you think he is better is irrelevant.
and does not support collusion.
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no, it does not
however, that there are lesser talents who are playing while he is not gives rise to the possibility CK is not in the game only because of his willingness to take a knee in protest
which activity might have resulted from collusion among the owners to prevent his being hired as a NFL qb
 
justabubba said:
no, it does not
however, that there are lesser talents who are playing while he is not gives rise to the possibility CK is not in the game only because of his willingness to take a knee in protest
which activity might have resulted from collusion among the owners to prevent his being hired as a NFL qb
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it doesn't matter he is not owed a job. what part of this don't you understand? i mean this is a simple concept.
you have no proof and neither does he that any collusion happened.

the NFL teams have determined that he has no value. otherwise they would have signed.
he and you are wrong as well because several teams offered him for backup positions but were only going to pay backup money.

and it went no further than that.
 
Zyphlin said:
What? No he's not. No one is OWED an opportunity to play.
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absolutely he is owed an opportunity as is anyone who displays the skill set needed to play in the NFL

And he had this off season as much opportunity as anyone else. He had tryouts, teams looked into him, they didn't pick him up.
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and if they passed on him because of weaknesses in his skill set, and/or inability to come to contract terms, and/or CK was not deemed to have the chemistry to fit with the team, those would all be valid reasons for taking a pass
what is not a valid reason is being unplayed because the owners/GMs conspired to ice him out of the league
for his kneeling protests, which is what we will learn subsequent to his grievance filing

And yes, the impact of him taking a knee...the potential impact to the business and to the lockerroom...absolutely ARE legitimate, legal, and justified reasons for teams to potentially pass on him.
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and i do not disagree with that, IF that decision was made individually. however, if it was found that the owners/GMs colluded to collectively bar CK from returning to the game, that would constitute a violation of the CBA, a document signed by the owners
 
ludin said:
Where do you come up with this stuff from? There are plenty of players out there way better than him who didn't make the team either.
he is not owed anything where do you get the idea that he is owed the opportunity?

sure it is.



He doesn't have the skills his QBR rating is proof of that. His last 3 seasons he was at or near the bottom of the list.
and a team cannot sign him for whatever reason they want to.

they don't owe him a job just like they don't owe any of the other guys that got cut a job.
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he is not owed a job if his skill set is not adequate to that required to play successfully in the NFL
however, he is absolutely in the right if the owners/GMs collectively agreed to prevent his presence on an NFL field because of his kneeling protests. the owners would have then violated the terms of the CBA
 
ludin said:
it doesn't matter he is not owed a job. what part of this don't you understand? i mean this is a simple concept.
you have no proof and neither does he that any collusion happened.
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just as you have no proof collusion did not happen
what is different is that CK and his representatives will now be able to pursue information via the process of discovery. and in that way may be able to identify evidence of collusion
you have ruled out that possibility to come up with evidence of collusion prematurely

the NFL teams have determined that he has no value. otherwise they would have signed.
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and here you display an ignorance of the fundamental issue
despite having the skill set to play as a NFL qb, it is possible CK was denied a job because of collusion among the owners/GMs to ice CK out of the league for his willingness to engage in public protest
such collusion would be a violation of the CBA

he and you are wrong as well because several teams offered him for backup positions but were only going to pay backup money.
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and if this is found to be true, it will hurt his case, because the failure to contract with him would have been because of contract value and not necessarily a concerted effort of the owners/GMs to deny him the opportunity to play in the league
and this is what will be found out as the arbitrator hears his grievance

and it went no further than that.
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maybe. being without your infallibile crystal ball that tells the future, i am not as certain as you how this arbitration will unfold
 
justabubba said:
he is not owed a job if his skill set is not adequate to that required to play successfully in the NFL
however, he is absolutely in the right if the owners/GMs collectively agreed to prevent his presence on an NFL field because of his kneeling protests. the owners would have then violated the terms of the CBA
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He is not owe a job period regardless of his skill.
then he can prove it which he can't.

since at least 2 teams got to pay. they are only paying salary for backups not starters. he wants starter pay.
 
justabubba said:
just as you have no proof collusion did not happen
what is different is that CK and his representatives will now be able to pursue information via the process of discovery. and in that way may be able to identify evidence of collusion
you have ruled out that possibility to come up with evidence of collusion prematurely
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that isn't up to me to prove that is up to him to prove and in this case you. which you have yet to do.

and here you display an ignorance of the fundamental issue
despite having the skill set to play as a NFL qb, it is possible CK was denied a job because of collusion among the owners/GMs to ice CK out of the league for his willingness to engage in public protest
such collusion would be a violation of the CBA
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Yes you are being pretty ignorant of the situation which is why you continue to post this made up stuff.
so let take this step by step.

You mention skill set. This has already been discussed. his skils as a QB suck. His 2nd, 3rd, and 4th seasons sucked. he was ranked in the bottom of QB's. So there goes your skill argument out the window.
You have no clue what collusion is. That means that there has to be some meeting and or email or letter that suggests that they were not going to sign him and everyone agreed. good luck producing that.
Next this fails because both denver and seattle got as far as salary and it fell apart. why? he wanted money = to a starting QB not a backup. they weren't looking for starters.

are you going to seriously play Kap over Wilson hell no.

and if this is found to be true, it will hurt his case, because the failure to contract with him would have been because of contract value and not necessarily a concerted effort of the owners/GMs to deny him the opportunity to play in the league
and this is what will be found out as the arbitrator hears his grievance
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read the paper and be informed of the topic would help you.
 
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