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Pro-Trump states most affected by his health care decision

Conservative said:
Logical people also understand that taxpayers fund debt service on the amount of debt, not the percentage change. Apparently in your world taxpayers paid more on the 1.7 trillion Reagan debt and the 4.9 trillion Bush debt than the 9.3 trillion Obama debt because the percentage change is higher, absolutely stunning how poorly informed you are and you call Trump supporters morons?. Liberal logic and inability to admit when wrong
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Apparently, in lack of logic conservative-land, you don't understand how everything changes from one time period to another, so when comparing time periods, the only logical and accurate way to do so would be with percentage change. Taxpayers were hit far harder with the percentage increase during the Reagan years than the Obama years. Now I've explained the math and the logic on this issue several times. You don't want to learn it because it destroys your false right wing meme.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Apparently, in lack of logic conservative-land, you don't understand how everything changes from one time period to another, so when comparing time periods, the only logical and accurate way to do so would be with percentage change. Taxpayers were hit far harder with the percentage increase during the Reagan years than the Obama years. Now I've explained the math and the logic on this issue several times. You don't want to learn it because it destroys your false right wing meme.
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Interesting how your rhetoric is trumped by the actual results. Taxpayers were hit harder by the Reagan tax cuts? You show you are the one that doesn't understand numbers. What taxes did Reagan increase, payroll for SS and Medicare, yes. What else and weren't those user taxes and if the service wasn't used were those taxes paid?

Percentage change means nothing when it comes to the debt as it is much worse adding 9.3 trillion to the debt vs. 1.7 trillion in terms of debt service that the taxpayer pay but that reality escapes you. What is that 1.7 trillion in debt in today's dollars?

Being a leftwing radical destroys not only the ability to apply logic and common sense to your argument but also to not understand even how to research the issues.
 
Conservative said:
How come all leftists like you are delusional and never can admit when wrong?
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Why is it that right wingers, when humiliated by being shown that their positions have no validity, instead of trying to rethink things, prefer to digress into calling names? Is it because doing anything else would cause them to have to admit that their ideology is bunk?
 
Conservative said:
Interesting how your rhetoric is trumped by the actual results. Taxpayers were hit harder by the Reagan tax cuts? You show you are the one that doesn't understand numbers. What taxes did Reagan increase, payroll for SS and Medicare, yes. What else and weren't those user taxes and if the service wasn't used were those taxes paid?
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Ah. So you don't understand macro economics and don't understand that negative effects on taxpayers goes far beyond how much taxes they pay.

Percentage change means nothing when it comes to the debt as it is much worse adding 9.3 trillion to the debt vs. 1.7 trillion in terms of debt service that the taxpayer pay but that reality escapes you. What is that 1.7 trillion in debt in today's dollars?
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Percent change means everything when assessing how much damage a President did to the economy. I don't know about you, but if I have to lose value in something, I'd rather lose 67% of that value rather than 280%. But apparently conservatives prefer to lose as much value as possible and then blame everyone and everything else.

Being a leftwing radical destroys not only the ability to apply logic and common sense to your argument but also to not understand even how to research the issues.
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Being a right wing hack prevents one from understanding math, statistics, and how to interpret data.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Why is it that right wingers, when humiliated by being shown that their positions have no validity, instead of trying to rethink things, prefer to digress into calling names? Is it because doing anything else would cause them to have to admit that their ideology is bunk?
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Probably since leftwing offer nothing but opinions based upon their own ideology and do nothing to rebuke the data provided
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Ah. So you don't understand macro economics and don't understand that negative effects on taxpayers goes far beyond how much taxes they pay.



Percent change means everything when assessing how much damage a President did to the economy. I don't know about you, but if I have to lose value in something, I'd rather lose 67% of that value rather than 280%. But apparently conservatives prefer to lose as much value as possible and then blame everyone and everything else.



Being a right wing hack prevents one from understanding math, statistics, and how to interpret data.
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You are so right, the FIT cuts of Reagan doubled GDP, added 1.7 trillion to the debt(3.46 trillion in today's dollars, 52% of GDP), created a peace dividend, created almost 17 million new jobs, and increased FIT revenue over 60% but by liberal standards is trumped by Obama who increased GDP less than 30%, added only 9.3 trillion to the debt, created 12 million jobs of which half were part time for economic reasons. Sure glad you explained it to me
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Ah. So you don't understand macro economics and don't understand that negative effects on taxpayers goes far beyond how much taxes they pay.



Percent change means everything when assessing how much damage a President did to the economy. I don't know about you, but if I have to lose value in something, I'd rather lose 67% of that value rather than 280%. But apparently conservatives prefer to lose as much value as possible and then blame everyone and everything else.



Being a right wing hack prevents one from understanding math, statistics, and how to interpret data.
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Since you are such an expert on statistics, interpret this chart for us all and show me where I am wrong in stating Trump's numbers are better than Obama's?

Table 1.1.1. Percent Change From Preceding Period in Real Gross Domestic Product
[Percent] Seasonally adjusted at annual rates
Bureau of Economic Analysis
Last Revised on: October 27, 2017 - Next Release Date November 29, 2017

Line 2015 2016 2017
Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4 Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4 Q1 Q2 Q3
1 Gross domestic product 3.2 2.7 1.6 0.5 0.6 2.2 2.8 1.8 1.2 3.1 3

Addendum:
27 Gross domestic product, current dollars 3.2 5 3 1.3 0.8 4.7 4.2 3.8 3.3 4.1 5.2
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Thank you Obama for giving us Trump!!
 
Rogue Valley said:
Pro-Trump states most affected by his health care decision



Trumpcare 2018 premium hikes are on the way. With his EO-directed sabotage against the ACA, Trump now owns healthcare costs in the US.
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Well, those cost and hike are very likely to be in areas and for people who did not support trump or the republicans......just because a state went for trump does not mean that all did....

I also notice that those rate hikes mentioned are in the insurance marketplace, being not overly familiar i could be wrong, but that sounds like those who buy through obama care. In other words, it sounds very like the lazy dumbass losers who want obama care are the ones who will be paying the higher costs, not normal people who have actual healthcare insurance....

We need to just end all subsidies to anyone.......if you cannot afford healthcare, then **** off, you don't deserve it......of course that would only be true if we simply stopped the stupidity of mandating providers actually provide care for the indigent and passing the cost on to others, the insured and the government.

Get rid of the freeloaders and real healthcare, not obama care, would be affordable to most americans......it's those freeloaders that drive up the cost for everyone.
 
Conservative said:
Probably since leftwing offer nothing but opinions based upon their own ideology and do nothing to rebuke the data provided
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So, this post does two things. It actually confirms what I said about right wingers... so I appreciate you showing some integrity and agreeing that right wingers, when humiliated by being shown that their positions have no validity, instead of trying to rethink things, DO prefer to digress into calling names. And, since your data was refuted both with logic and facts, the second part of your post is irrelevant.

That was not a very successful post, Conservative. You both admitted to right wing ineptitude in debate and ignored information for nothing but partisan reasons. You must try harder.
 
Conservative said:
You are so right, the FIT cuts of Reagan doubled GDP, added 1.7 trillion to the debt(3.46 trillion in today's dollars, 52% of GDP), created a peace dividend, created almost 17 million new jobs, and increased FIT revenue over 60% but by liberal standards is trumped by Obama who increased GDP less than 30%, added only 9.3 trillion to the debt, created 12 million jobs of which half were part time for economic reasons. Sure glad you explained it to me
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The negative effects on the middle class, the US mental health system, labor, and many other areas of the US caused by Reagan are still being felt today. Reagan looked for real short term, pretty results at the cost of long term issues. People who prefer form over function LOVED Reagan. People who prefer substance, didn't. Reagan didn't understand basic human psychology, which is why his economic policies were so terrible from a long term perspective. That's pretty typical of conservatives who, though good with foreign policy are usually disasters when it comes to domestic policy. But again, you ignore percentages, long term effects, and ignore how the different times affected things. Reagan increased the debt by THREE TIMES of what it was. Obama by two-thirds. Obama was dealing with the worst economic crisis since the 30's. Reagan was not. These are facts that right wing hacks prefer to ignore.
 
Conservative said:
Since you are such an expert on statistics, interpret this chart for us all and show me where I am wrong in stating Trump's numbers are better than Obama's?



Thank you Obama for giving us Trump!!
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Post the numbers in some sort of coherent format. I'm not deciphering. And I've already explained to you how we got Trump. More idiots voted in 2016.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
So, this post does two things. It actually confirms what I said about right wingers... so I appreciate you showing some integrity and agreeing that right wingers, when humiliated by being shown that their positions have no validity, instead of trying to rethink things, DO prefer to digress into calling names. And, since your data was refuted both with logic and facts, the second part of your post is irrelevant.

That was not a very successful post, Conservative. You both admitted to right wing ineptitude in debate and ignored information for nothing but partisan reasons. You must try harder.
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Apparently debate is another subject you know very little about but you do know how to issue infractions, we're done, you are the one who cannot debate actual results and offer nothing else but opinions where yours trumps actual data and results. Have a good life, like with Redress I am done communicating with you.
 
Conservative said:
Apparently debate is another subject you know very little about but you do know how to issue infractions, we're done, you are the one who cannot debate actual results and offer nothing else but opinions where yours trumps actual data and results. Have a good life, like with Redress I am done communicating with you.
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No, as I have demonstrated, the issue here is your inability to debate the issue nor admit that your partisan blinders prevent you from understanding the data that you present. As far as you "being done with me", that's up to you. If I see something of yours that I feel the desire to correct (and since I rarely read you because you rarely post anything that isn't skewed by your partisanship, this happens about once a year) I will comment. Your choice as to whether you respond or not.
 
I am probably late to this party, but I'm done fighting to preserve ACA. I have good insurance (my husband is military), my kids have good insurance, and we're protected. The folks who voted for Trump need to experience the consequences of their decisions in order to learn to do better in the future.

This is a hard place to be in, because this dismantling of our health care system is going to hurt/kill people. And I work in a caring profession, so there is a very real possibility that this will hurt/kill people I care about.

But until people feel the pain of their own political decisions, they will continue to make stupid choices.

I'm starting to become a darwinist on this subject.

Meh.
 
pillars said:
I am probably late to this party, but I'm done fighting to preserve ACA. I have good insurance (my husband is military), my kids have good insurance, and we're protected. The folks who voted for Trump need to experience the consequences of their decisions in order to learn to do better in the future.

This is a hard place to be in, because this dismantling of our health care system is going to hurt/kill people. And I work in a caring profession, so there is a very real possibility that this will hurt/kill people I care about.

But until people feel the pain of their own political decisions, they will continue to make stupid choices.

I'm starting to become a darwinist on this subject.

Meh.
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The problem with this line of reasoning is that they've been the instrument of their misery for decades. For at least two generations now they've consistently voted in politicians who've promised to make government smaller, which they've done by dismantling unions and reducing access to education, environmental protection and public services. One more piece of destructive legislation will make no difference to their worldview.
 
Cardinal said:
The problem with this line of reasoning is that they've been the instrument of their misery for decades. For at least two generations now they've consistently voted in politicians who've promised to make government smaller, which they've done by dismantling unions and reducing access to education, environmental protection and public services. One more piece of destructive legislation will make no difference to their worldview.
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Understood, but I can't keep trying to protect them from themselves. It is what it is.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
No, as I have demonstrated, the issue here is your inability to debate the issue nor admit that your partisan blinders prevent you from understanding the data that you present. As far as you "being done with me", that's up to you. If I see something of yours that I feel the desire to correct (and since I rarely read you because you rarely post anything that isn't skewed by your partisanship, this happens about once a year) I will comment. Your choice as to whether you respond or not.
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This will be my last post on the subject thanks to a recent vacation I was forced to take. it really doesn't serve much purpose debating with the left whose ideology is so engrained in each of the supporters of those radical policies. never has anyone from the left refuted the data posted or done any actual DD to verify what they are being told.

You claim I misinterpret data but ignore the fact that the misinterpretation is only your claim viewed through your partisan leftwing lens. The data is what it is and you have yet to refute it or prove it wrong but rather call people who don't support your ideology idiots and morons. That is hardly a great debate tactic nor does it prove the data wrong or misinterpretation.
 
Conservative said:
This will be my last post on the subject thanks to a recent vacation I was forced to take. it really doesn't serve much purpose debating with the left whose ideology is so engrained in each of the supporters of those radical policies. never has anyone from the left refuted the data posted or done any actual DD to verify what they are being told.

You claim I misinterpret data but ignore the fact that the misinterpretation is only your claim viewed through your partisan leftwing lens. The data is what it is and you have yet to refute it or prove it wrong but rather call people who don't support your ideology idiots and morons. That is hardly a great debate tactic nor does it prove the data wrong or misinterpretation.
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This post is nothing but irony. You misinterpret data due to your right wing hackery. This has been proven over and over. Your interpretations have been refuted time and time again. Your refusal to accept this is due to the blind partisanship that we see in extreme conservatives. Always denial always misinformation,. it's how extreme conservatives debate. Pretty poor debate tactic, but real easy to refute.
 
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