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Trump says Iran violating nuclear agreement, threatens to pull out of deal

From attacking NATO allies, to attacking trade partners, to his juvenile spat with NK. He has with this undermined other countries trust with the US. This will have repercussions far past his Presidency.
NK, who would believe the US would stand by a negotiated deal, if one was made?

Yeah he attacked NATO allies because they were not paying their fair share. And the result was they ponied up.

Did you catch Gen. Kelly's Q and A the other day? He said it best when he stated the previous administrations failed to deal with critical problems and instead kicked the can down the road. Well guess what NK is one of those issues. A situation born out of feckless moronic policy decades ago and now and it among others have come home to roost.
 
Yeah he attacked NATO allies because they were not paying their fair share. And the result was they ponied up.

Did you catch Gen. Kelly's Q and A the other day? He said it best when he stated the previous administrations failed to deal with critical problems and instead kicked the can down the road. Well guess what NK is one of those issues. A situation born out of feckless moronic policy decades ago and now and it among others have come home to roost.

They had ponied up prior to Trump.
 
They had ponied up prior to Trump.

No they didn't, not until Mattis, Tillerson went first and raised the issue. And then Trump followed which resulted in some countries raising the percentage they would produce.
 
No they didn't, not until Mattis, Tillerson went first and raised the issue. And then Trump followed which resulted in some countries raising the percentage they would produce.

From 2014
NATO countries are spending more on defense but Trump can't claim credit - Mar. 1, 2017
Speaking to Congress on Tuesday, Trump said NATO members must meet their financial obligations to the alliance. "And now, based on our very strong and frank discussions, they are beginning to do just that," he said.

"In fact, I can tell you, the money is pouring in," Trump added. "Very nice."

It's true that NATO countries are increasing their defense spending, but it has little to do with Trump. In fact, the changes have been in the works for years.

The big commitment was made in 2014, when all members that were spending less than 2% of GDP on defense promised to move toward the official target.
 
If Trump has material breach evidence ... then share it with the American people and the governments/citizens of the P5+1 nations.

I advised another fellow to Google "iran breached nuclear deal" and read one or ten or whatever of the articles. The Huffington Post one that pops up fist, is dated 15 May 2016 and has the title of the search is okay for starters.
 
Trump says things.

Its what he does.

Doesn't matter if it has any validity, or that he might say the opposite thing tomorrow.

He throwing the ball to congress and they will keep the deal. This is a bluff and a stupid one at that IMO.
 
Well if Trump won't provide us with evidence can you? At list a link instead of just saying so? I'm not talking about tests that are not covered in the agreement.

I'll be waiting but I won't hold my breath.

I think we all know what's going on here. Trump wants to destroy and dismantle everything our previous president did. It's like it's some kind of personal vendetta, but it's probably an attempt to stroke his ego by attacking the former president, which is something he does to people on a regular basis.

Obama did troll the hell out of that guy who wrote a book about it by releasing his long form just before the book was released.

Probably peed in trumps Cheerios too.

Could be what trumps entire presidency is about. Getting even with Obama for making him look foolish.
 
From attacking NATO allies, to attacking trade partners, to his juvenile spat with NK. He has with this undermined other countries trust with the US. This will have repercussions far past his Presidency.
NK, who would believe the US would stand by a negotiated deal, if one was made?

a deal with the United States now has a shorter perceived expiration date. it will be tough to earn that one back.
 
a deal with the United States now has a shorter perceived expiration date. it will be tough to earn that one back.

Not up on US history, but has this ever occurred before?
 
Not up on US history, but has this ever occurred before?

yes. broken treaties with Native American tribes come to mind. the illusion that we were past that was nice while it lasted.
 
This Trump unilateralism puts the kibosh to any possibility of getting Kim anywhere near a negotiating table.
 
yes. broken treaties with Native American tribes come to mind. the illusion that we were past that was nice while it lasted.

Thank you- In all the news articles I have read regarding this, I have never seen a reference to a new President decertifying an agreement made by their predecessor.
 
From attacking NATO allies, to attacking trade partners, to his juvenile spat with NK. He has with this undermined other countries trust with the US. This will have repercussions far past his Presidency.
NK, who would believe the US would stand by a negotiated deal, if one was made?

Actually Obama was the one who raised the issue of our NATO partners not pulling their weight
Obama urges NATO members to pull their weight - POLITICO

And he was right to do so. The USs NATO partners dont seem to mind leaning on the US's super power status, they've been doing it since the end of the war.

At first it was a necessity, but now its just taking advantage of a ally
 
Actually Obama was the one who raised the issue of our NATO partners not pulling their weight
Obama urges NATO members to pull their weight - POLITICO

And he was right to do so. The USs NATO partners dont seem to mind leaning on the US's super power status, they've been doing it since the end of the war.

At first it was a necessity, but now its just taking advantage of a ally

What war are you referring to?
I am aware that this was pushed by Obama. And he was right.
Next NATO countries are increasing spending and hopefully deploy significant troops to the Baltics setting a red line as West Berlin once was.

Next- who will trust the US after this decision by Trump.
NK is already a problem and then he throws this into the fray.
 
This Trump unilateralism puts the kibosh to any possibility of getting Kim anywhere near a negotiating table.

Lol ! Is he having problems with his light water reactor ?

Negotiation " is code for the US getting screwed and the tin pot dicator de jure getting everything they bargained for

The Iran deal was so lopsided in favor of the mullahs Syrian President Bashir Assad congratulated them for their " great victory " after it was done.
 
Saying you are going to do something and actually doing it are two different things.
During the 2016 campaign Trump was right that many were not holding up their part of the bargain and in that piece you posted proved that to be the case. That has changed.

Perhaps you should research it and prove that I am wrong. NATO agreed to meet commitments by IIRC 2024
 
What war are you referring to?
I am aware that this was pushed by Obama. And he was right.
Next NATO countries are increasing spending and hopefully deploy significant troops to the Baltics setting a red line as West Berlin once was.

Next- who will trust the US after this decision by Trump.
NK is already a problem and then he throws this into the fray.

Asking our NATO partners to increase their defense spending to meet the NATO obligations they agreed to is not '" attacking " them.

They're adults, and have responsibillities to the alliance and if that upset them then they need to get over it

And Im sure they have trust issues with the US, Obama surveiled them for years..

https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSBRE99Q09F20131028
 
KEY TAKEAWAYS

1. The Iran nuclear deal is a fundamentally flawed agreement that gave Tehran massive sanctions relief in return for temporary and easily reversible concessions.

2. Contrary to the promises of the Obama Administration, the nuclear deal has not moderated Iran’s foreign policy.

Tehran has stepped up its malign activities.

3. Decertification is the necessary first step in holding Iran accountable for its aggressive foreign policy, and permanently blocking its path to a nuclear weapon.

Time to Decertify the Iran Nuclear Agreement | The Heritage Foundation

The deal was crap...I am glad that Trump is pulling out.
 
Iran has not “transparently, verifiably and fully” implemented the letter of the JCPOA. It has been caught cheating at the margins on centrifuge development, heavy water restrictions, technology procurement, and export controls. Tehran exceeded the JCPOA’s restrictions on research on advanced centrifuges, and last year sought to acquire illicit carbon fiber material, a key component of advanced centrifuges. It twice violated the 130-metric-ton cap on heavy water. It also shipped excess supplies of heavy water to Oman and retained ownership of it, rather than selling or disposing of it, as originally required under the JCPOA, before the Obama Administration secretly and unwisely agreed to exempt Iranian heavy water held overseas.1

David Albright, “Assessing the Iran Deal: Examining Iranian Non-Compliance with the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action and United Nations Security Council Resolution 2231,” testimony before the Subcommittee on National Security, Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, U.S. House of Representatives, April 5, 2017, http://isis-online.org/uploads/conf...use_Oversight_Subcommittee_5Apr2017_Final.pdf (accessed September 29, 2017).


Tehran also sought to acquire illicit materials outside the mandatory procurement channel set up by the JCPOA. It was caught red-handed trying to purchase nuclear technology and restricted ballistic-missile technology from German companies.2
Anton Troianovski and Jay Solomon, “Germany Says Iran Kept Trying to Get Nuclear Equipment After Deal,” The Wall Street Journal, July 8, 2016, https://www.wsj.com/articles/german...o-get-nuclear-equipment-after-deal-1468006075 (accessed September 29, 2017).
 
Actually Obama was the one who raised the issue of our NATO partners not pulling their weight
Obama urges NATO members to pull their weight - POLITICO

And he was right to do so. The USs NATO partners dont seem to mind leaning on the US's super power status, they've been doing it since the end of the war.

At first it was a necessity, but now its just taking advantage of a ally

But Obama did not preface that request with statements like "NATO is obsolete" or fail to restate our pledge to defend NATO nations did he? He also did not shame them in a speech to NATO like Trump did. Trump behaved like a moron and was less effective than Obama at getting nations to increase their military budgets.
 
Trump says Iran violating nuclear agreement, threatens to pull out of deal




As a preface, I was never a big fan of the Iran nuclear deal. But if Trump expects me to simply take his word for something, that's not going to happen. Trump is well known to generate blatant lies and "alternate truths".

If the Trump administration has evidence that Iran is violating the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action between Iran and the P5+1 and the EU, I want to see that evidence. Excepting Trump, no entity involved in the JCPA has accused Iran of treaty violations. Not France, not Russia, not China, not Germany, not Britain, not the EU, not the UN, not the IAEA.




Very interesting.

Trump appears to be distracting again; he should know by now he can rant all he wants but the Iran deal involves a few more people and countries than him, and they not only have a say, but can scuttle anything Trump does on his own.

This is ****ing blather - "see how tough I am!" which probably means he hasn't had a decent **** in a few days.

The Iran deal involves China, France, Russia, United Kingdom, United States, Germany and the European Union, all of whom, have to be on page for any future sanctions or action against Iran.

I doubt the mad man has even read it.
 
This is just one more way in which President Trump is damaging the USA and its standing in the world. What he is telling the rest of the international community is that entering into a treaty with the USA is a one- or two-term agreement at best. American presidents are under no obligation to abide by the terms of any agreement or treaty entered into by his/her predecessor. I really don't believe that that is a precedent that benefits the US in any conceivable circumstance.

The US's co-signatories to the Iran nuclear deal are treating his rogue behaviour with the disdain it deserves.

Iran nuclear deal: Global powers stand by pact despite Trump threat - BBC News
 
Trump says Iran violating nuclear agreement, threatens to pull out of deal




As a preface, I was never a big fan of the Iran nuclear deal. But if Trump expects me to simply take his word for something, that's not going to happen. Trump is well known to generate blatant lies and "alternate truths".

If the Trump administration has evidence that Iran is violating the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action between Iran and the P5+1 and the EU, I want to see that evidence. Excepting Trump, no entity involved in the JCPA has accused Iran of treaty violations. Not France, not Russia, not China, not Germany, not Britain, not the EU, not the UN, not the IAEA.

I wouldn't put it past them to be screwing us on that deal, though that was a bald face truth when it was originally penned.

We could have done better, but the administration was desperate at the time.

I want to hold out hope here for Trump, not saying off the bat that he is wrong. Its just that they better bring some proof with them besides some of their more shady dealings in the last two years.
 
Its just that they better bring some proof with them besides some of their more shady dealings in the last two years.
Where is Trumps proof?

Why didn't he produce it yesterday when he was at the podium bragging that he would decertify the deal.

Why didn't he present his proof of Iranian violations? Even one example? Anything?
 
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