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Here are some of the Russia-backed Facebook accounts being investigated

Fletch said:
Isnt it even more likely that if Putins plan was to 'subvert the political order here' that democrats have been playing the role the useful idiots.
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Then why did they support Trump? Putin was known to support Trump and you guys have been saying "so what?"
 
Lursa said:
CNN posted this link, to a montage of video and FaceBook ads. I did see many of these, was really only surprised by the one of LeVoy Finicum from the Oregon Standoff. Altho I didnt support him or his mistake either, it cost him his life.

Here are some of the Russia-backed Facebook accounts being investigated - CNN Video

I wonder what people will think now? Did they affect the election?

(Note: heading out shortly for the weekend so may only be able to look in on my phone.)
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It didn't affect my vote.
 
jmotivator said:
Please show me who said Russia is our friend? Because the Obama Era called, they want their policy back.

Or are you assuming that if I don't by in to the Russia/Trump conspiracy theory that I am down with Putin?
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Apparently you haven't been around much. Many cons have been effusive in their praise of Vladimir Vladimirovich. I believe I saw it here that he was a "healer."

Why then do you poo-poo any thought that Putin tried to influence the election?
 
WCH said:
But it's RUSSIA, the RUSSIANS, THEY TIPPED THE ELECTION!
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Right! Because there's no way the American people would conciously reject the Liberal agenda.
 
rocket88 said:
So if Russia backed BLM, can we put to rest the whole "Russia is our friend" perpetuated by the right around here? Or is that the one bad thing they did?
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Non one has said "Russia is our friend" or even intimated that. The only thing people have said is that Russia is being used as an excuse by the left for their incredible failures and that they didn't effect anything.

Putin is more interested in subverting the political order here than he is in which party. As I recall, wasn't subverting the political order also Bannon's goal? Isn't that what attracted people to Trump?

I think we are seeing a much larger strategy on Putin's part than most of us are willing to consider. Isn't it possible that he supported Trump for the same reasons?
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Nothing is subverting the political order more than progressives. It is they who have systemically been using violence as a political tool. No Hillary or Berney rallies were attacked by large violent mobs. For Trump's rallies it happened time and again, and again. It happened on inauguration. It's been happening since inauguration. Turn on the news of any station of your choice and you'll see subversion of the political order for hour after hour, night after night. Both sides are doing it, for sure, but one side has taken it to a level that everyone should find acceptable but that's simply not the case.
 
Rogue Valley said:
I still find it inexplicable (and outrageous) that many Americans on this board seemingly have no problem at all with the Kremlin feeding them political/social lies and propaganda via Facebook, Twitter etc.

Like its the most natural thing in the world. Moscow certainly wouldn't allow anything similar to occur on Russia's Vkontakte social media platform.
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Maybe Obama shouldn't have surrendered control of the internet?
 
Fishking said:
Non one has said "Russia is our friend" or even intimated that. The only thing people have said is that Russia is being used as an excuse by the left for their incredible failures and that they didn't effect anything.



Nothing is subverting the political order more than progressives. It is they who have systemically been using violence as a political tool. No Hillary or Berney rallies were attacked by large violent mobs. For Trump's rallies it happened time and again, and again. It happened on inauguration. It's been happening since inauguration. Turn on the news of any station of your choice and you'll see subversion of the political order for hour after hour, night after night. Both sides are doing it, for sure, but one side has taken it to a level that everyone should find acceptable but that's simply not the case.
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Really, no one has said that? I think you're deliberately choosing not to see that. I've seen cons here call Putin a "Healer" and had one who openly hoped Russia would send troops to the US.

The rest of your rant against the left is typical fare for the non-thinking right. I'm not saying that's you, but it is typical. Putin has been actively trying to destabilize this country. That is undeniable. Bannon's stated goal was to undermine the political system.
 
Fishking said:
I find it more offensive that you're so concerned about it, as an American. You prefer a censored internet like China has and a less open society? Take that un-American attitude outta here.
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If you're going to participate on a debate board, at least be familiar with the pertinent topic before you again demonstrate what everyone already knows.

CFR › Title 11 › Chapter I › Subchapter A › Part 110 › Section 110.20

(b)Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

(f)Expenditures, independent expenditures, or disbursements by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make any expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.
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52 U.S. Code § 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

(a) Prohibition It shall be unlawful for—
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication
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Lol. Jack McCoy you're not.
 
rocket88 said:
Apparently you haven't been around much. Many cons have been effusive in their praise of Vladimir Vladimirovich. I believe I saw it here that he was a "healer."

Why then do you poo-poo any thought that Putin tried to influence the election?
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Apparently you haven't been around long enough to know where you can look for all that evidence to prove many conservatives praise Vladimir Putin. I've been around long enough to know that many conservatives here have been mocking the "independents", progressives and liberals for their mocking of Romney for making the obvious statement that Russia is an enemy to the US and now screaming about unsubstantiated Russian conspiracies with Donald Trump like suddenly Russia is a problem... in much the same way that these same independents, progressives and liberals suddenly give a **** about deficits now that Trump in in office.
 
Lursa said:
CNN posted this link, to a montage of video and FaceBook ads. I did see many of these, was really only surprised by the one of LeVoy Finicum from the Oregon Standoff. Altho I didnt support him or his mistake either, it cost him his life.

Here are some of the Russia-backed Facebook accounts being investigated - CNN Video

I wonder what people will think now? Did they affect the election?

(Note: heading out shortly for the weekend so may only be able to look in on my phone.)
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I doubt it. I don't know anyone who voted for Trump based on a Facebook page. Do you?
 
jmotivator said:
Apparently you haven't been around long enough to know where you can look for all that evidence to prove many conservatives praise Vladimir Putin. I've been around long enough to know that many conservatives here have been mocking the "independents", progressives and liberals for their mocking of Romney for making the obvious statement that Russia is an enemy to the US and now screaming about unsubstantiated Russian conspiracies with Donald Trump like suddenly Russia is a problem... in much the same way that these same independents, progressives and liberals suddenly give a **** about deficits now that Trump in in office.
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I accept your concession.

Romney, in retrospect, was right. Too bad you guys don't listen to your own guy.

And it is funny how all the conservatives have no problems with deficits now. As I said in another thread, both parties are great deficit hawks when the other guys are in the WH.
 
rocket88 said:
I accept your concession.

Romney, in retrospect, was right. Too bad you guys don't listen to your own guy.

And it is funny how all the conservatives have no problems with deficits now. As I said in another thread, both parties are great deficit hawks when the other guys are in the WH.
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And yet again you make reference to these "many" pro-Russia conservatives that you refuse to provide evidence that they actually existing. They will no doubt prove to be as elusive as that evidence of Trump/Russia collusion that you are sure is right around the corner... and Bigfoot :lol:
 
jmotivator said:
And yet again you make reference to these "many" pro-Russia conservatives that you refuse to provide evidence that they actually existing. They will no doubt prove to be as elusive as that evidence of Trump/Russia collusion that you are sure is right around the corner... and Bigfoot :lol:
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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/14/us/politics/putin-trump-conservatives.html

More Republicans viewing Putin favorably - POLITICO

But I realize a simple Google search is too hard for you....
 
Rogue Valley said:
I still find it inexplicable (and outrageous) that many Americans on this board seemingly have no problem at all with the Kremlin feeding them political/social lies and propaganda via Facebook, Twitter etc.

Like its the most natural thing in the world. Moscow certainly wouldn't allow anything similar to occur on Russia's Vkontakte social media platform.
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Which lies exactly? Some of those facebook accounts shown in the OP's link say the same exact things that the actual groups say. In fact I wonder if at least one of them is really from Russia considering it has been around since at least 2006 that I know of.

Also like Fletch has already stated, we're already used to being bombarded with propaganda, and lies, from all angles. Both the Republicans and Democrats have been doing that for longer than I've been alive. (I'm 42) It's really nothing new around here.

Plus, there's the whole "Freedom of Speech" that we believe in.
 
Rogue Valley said:
I still find it inexplicable (and outrageous) that many Americans on this board seemingly have no problem at all with the Kremlin feeding them political/social lies and propaganda via Facebook, Twitter etc.
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You find it outrageous that Americans are okay with people from other countries having and voicing opinions?

Moscow certainly wouldn't allow anything similar to occur on Russia's Vkontakte social media platform.
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So you're saying... what? We should try to be more like the Russians? :|
 
rocket88 said:
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/14/us/politics/putin-trump-conservatives.html

More Republicans viewing Putin favorably - POLITICO

But I realize a simple Google search is too hard for you....
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Well, first that is moving the goal post. You stated that there were many posters here... you still provide none.

Third, your articles are excessively lacking in evidence to back the claim as well. The first article makes the claim that it then never substantiates, choosing instead to classify diplomatic niceties as evidence of a admiration while the second misconstrues a few Republicans support for Russia's war against ISIS and opposition to Christian persecution in the Middle East as admiration for Putin as a leader. Neither say a single thing about "many on the right", and make weak arguments for the case that Republicans or the right think Russia is our friend.

Face the truth, the party that has been operating on that assumption up until they needed a scapegoat for their cluster**** of a campaign is the Democrats.
 
rocket88 said:
https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...hy-people-moving-russia-5.html#post1067704309
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LOL. Hawkeye will be surprised to learn he is "many" posters... assuming the post you provide shows that Hawkeye is arguing that Russia is our friend.. but...

That post doesn't say that Russia is our friend. Hawkeye is commenting on Putin's affect on RUSSIAN PEOPLE. He has, if the polls are to be believed, that Putin brought the Russian people together with an 80% approval rate. That says nothing about "the right"s view of Putin on the board or anywhere else.
 
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Rogue Valley said:
If you're going to participate on a debate board, at least be familiar with the pertinent topic before you again demonstrate what everyone already knows.

CFR › Title 11 › Chapter I › Subchapter A › Part 110 › Section 110.20



52 U.S. Code § 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign nationals



Lol. Jack McCoy you're not.
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Then we should go after everyone on Facebook [or any other social media] for sharing any of those memes.

Damn Russians caused an epidemic of BS. 8)
 
Kal'Stang said:
Which lies exactly? Some of those facebook accounts shown in the OP's link say the same exact things that the actual groups say. In fact I wonder if at least one of them is really from Russia considering it has been around since at least 2006 that I know of. Also like Fletch has already stated, we're already used to being bombarded with propaganda, and lies, from all angles. Both the Republicans and Democrats have been doing that for longer than I've been alive. (I'm 42) It's really nothing new around here.
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I don't really know why some find this such a difficult concept. Both Republicans and Democrats are US citizens (i.e. purchasing US political ads is legal). Russians are foreigners (i.e. purchasing US political ads is illegal).

Kal'Stang said:
Plus, there's the whole "Freedom of Speech" that we believe in.
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It's US law. Apparently, the US Congress felt that protecting US elections from foreign meddling/influence supersedes some foreigner rights to the US First Amendment.
 
WCH said:
Then we should go after everyone on Facebook [or any other social media] for sharing any of those memes.

Damn Russians caused an epidemic of BS. 8)
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They do share some legal responsibility which is probably why they are cooperating somewhat.

I personally think they are purposefully understating/lowballing the Russian involvement via their social platforms.
 
Rogue Valley said:
They do share some legal responsibility which is probably why they are cooperating somewhat.

I personally think they are purposefully understating/lowballing the Russian involvement via their social platforms.
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Because it's manufactured. Any involvement by them or any other country is omnipresent in our elections.
 
What if...? said:
They were definitely targeting bernie voters. Evidently with some success.

I urged my wife who was active in the community to warn people not to vote against Hillary because they were mad because we might see another W. scenario. Because the Bernie pages were blitzed with anti-hillary content.
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Precisely trumpets keep trying to deflect by asking what votes were changed. This attack was not about changing votes, it was a out affecting turnout, and it worked...
 
Rogue Valley said:
I don't really know why some find this such a difficult concept. Both Republicans and Democrats are US citizens (i.e. purchasing US political ads is legal). Russians are foreigners (i.e. purchasing US political ads is illegal).

It's US law. Apparently, the US Congress felt that protecting US elections from foreign meddling/influence supersedes some foreigner rights to the US First Amendment.
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Actually, the law that you quoted before, applies to contributions/donations. IE: Money. Ads are not considered contributions or donations. As you can see here there are exceptions.

(B) ExceptionsThe term “electioneering communication” does not include—
(i) a communication appearing in a news story, commentary, or editorial distributed through the facilities of any broadcasting station, unless such facilities are owned or controlled by any political party, political committee, or candidate;
(ii) a communication which constitutes an expenditure or an independent expenditure under this Act;
(iii) a communication which constitutes a candidate debate or forum conducted pursuant to regulations adopted by the Commission, or which solely promotes such a debate or forum and is made by or on behalf of the person sponsoring the debate or forum; or
(iv) any other communication exempted under such regulations as the Commission may promulgate (consistent with the requirements of this paragraph) to ensure the appropriate implementation of this paragraph, except that under any such regulation a communication may not be exempted if it meets the requirements of this paragraph and is described in section 30101(20)(A)(iii) of this title.
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Link

There are many things which can be done even by foreign nationals which does not fall with in the law that you stated.

Also, buying ad space on facebook is not the same as buying an ad. Buying ad space is buying space for you to put up an ad of your own. Buying ads is buying a pre-made ad.
 
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