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Trump: We cannot aid Puerto Rico 'forever'

Cigar said:
I say let Trump be Trump ... and let the chips fall where they may.
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If this was said by a democratic president would your answer be the same? I doubt that.
 
poweRob said:
Puerto Rico is still at around 90% without power, people are now dying from drinking unclean water because it is the only water around. Let's see what the president is thinking about with regards to assisting Puerto Rico...

Trump: We cannot aid Puerto Rico 'forever'

President Donald Trump suggested Thursday that Puerto Rico is going to have to shoulder more responsibility for recovery efforts from Hurricane Maria, saying the federal government's emergency responders can't stay there "forever."​
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I propose we all commit to help Puerto Rico FOREVER! And that Puerto Rico DOES NOT shoulder more responsibility and help themselves!
 
Mr Person said:
100 billion is a lot, but then....

https://ballotpedia.org/State_debt


Texas owes 48 billion, for example, yet Trump isn't threatening them. He hasn't said anything about whether he has some reason for thinking 100 billion is a cutoff, or about state debt vs. state GDP ratio, or anything, because he's not a leader. He just fired off some angry tweets at a really stupid and questionable time, only 2 weeks after he promised we'd be with them and even less after Pence said the same.

You can go digging for reasons to talk about PR's problems, yes.

But given the little Trump said, the little he ever says, and the whole lot he did not say, no you don't get to call him "right". He's just being a scattershot loudmouth asshole, not a leader of all Americans, as always [QUOTE/]

Lol...comparing Texas to PR ?

Puerto Rico has a population smaller than Houstons but still managed to run up over a hundred billion dollars in debt ( not counting unfunded liabilities

PRs infrastructure was on the verge of collapase before the storm, and their economy was in shambles.

Maybe they need more leaders who will wear " Nasty " shirts to a press conference

Texas has a 10 billion dollar surplus and has a 100 million dollar disaster relief fund set up prior to Harvey.

50 million of that was sent to Houston after its Mayor tried to use the storm as a pretext for a 10 percent property tax hike.

Texas's infrastructure wasnt on the verge of collapse prior to Harvey, which meant power could be restored relaively quickly

Texas has a vibrant and growing economy, low taxes and a lot of new tax payers thanks to States like Cali chasing off their Middleclass
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Cigar said:
Oh don't get me wrong, Donald Trump's judgement day is coming ... sooner than you think.
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Lolol,..you're team has been blowing the same snot since Nov 9 2016.
 
imagep said:
Hitler supporters said that also.

I say we question authority (regardless who that authority is or what party they belong to), and make this world a better place.
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Link?
 
dobieg said:
Lolol,..you're team has been blowing the same snot since Nov 9 2016.
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That's 'your'. And what the heck does 'lolol' mean? Is that a term of endearment?
It's coming up to a year since the election. Time for you guys to come down from the giddy high and take a look at what you've done by voting for that clown.
 
American said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_tax_revenue_by_state#Fiscal_Year_2015

Puerto Rico doesn't pay that much in taxes.
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About that....


The Commonwealth government has its own tax laws and Puerto Ricans are also required to pay most US federal taxes,[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] with the major exception being that most residents do not have to pay the federal personal income tax.[9] In 2009, Puerto Rico paid $3.742 billion into the US Treasury.[10] Residents of Puerto Rico pay into Social Security, and are thus eligible for Social Security benefits upon retirement. However, they are excluded from the Supplemental Security Income.

The federal taxes paid by Puerto Rico residents include import/export taxes,[11] Federal commodity taxes,[12] social security taxes,[13] among others. Residents also pay federal payroll taxes, such as Social Security[14] and Medicare taxes.[15]

Only certain residents of Puerto Rico are required to file federal income tax forms. According to the Internal Revenue Service:

In general, United States citizens and resident aliens who are bona fide residents of Puerto Rico during the entire tax year, which for most individuals is January 1 to December 31, are only required to file a U.S. federal income tax return if they have income sources outside of Puerto Rico or if they are employees of the U.S. government. Bona fide residents of Puerto Rico generally do not report income received from sources within Puerto Rico on their U.S. income tax return. However, they should report all income received from sources outside Puerto Rico on their U.S. income tax return. Residents of Puerto Rico who are employed by the government of the United States or who are members of the armed forces of the United States also should report all income received for their services to the government of the United States on their U. S. income tax return.

United States citizens or resident aliens who are not bona fide residents of Puerto Rico during the entire tax year are required to report all income from whatever source derived on their U.S. income tax return. However, a U.S. citizen who changes residence from Puerto Rico to the United States and who was a bona fide resident of Puerto Rico at least two years before changing residence can exclude from U.S. taxable income the Puerto Rican source income received while residing in Puerto Rico during the taxable year of such change of residence. [16]

Bona fide residents of Puerto Rico cannot claim deductions and/or credits allocable to or chargeable against Puerto Rican source income that is excluded from a U.S. tax return. The deductions and credits not attributable to specific income must be divided between excluded income from sources in Puerto Rico and income from all other sources to find the part that can be deducted or credited on a U.S. tax return. Examples of deductions not attributable to specific income include alimony, the standard deduction, and certain itemized deductions such as medical expenses, charitable contributions, and real estate taxes and mortgage interest on your personal residence. Personal exemptions are generally allowed in full.

If you have taxable Puerto Rican source income on your U.S. income tax return, then you can claim a credit for foreign taxes paid to Puerto Rico. However, you are not allowed to claim a credit for foreign taxes paid with respect to Puerto Rican source income that is excluded from a U.S. tax return. Therefore, to properly calculate your foreign tax credit, you must reduce your foreign taxes paid by the amount of taxes allocable to excluded Puerto Rican source income.[17]

Employers in Puerto Rico are subject to both Federal Insurance Contributions Act (FICA) tax (a payroll withholding tax, which funds Social Security and Medicare) and the Federal Unemployment Tax Act (FUTA). Employers in Puerto Rico must withhold the employee portion of FICA taxes from their employees' wages and contribute the employer portion of FICA.[18]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Puerto_Rico
 
American said:
Link?
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Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler, The Age of Social Catastrophe (Robert Gellatey, 2007).



It's not so snappy. Roughly 594 pages, followed by 101 pages of paper "links" (aka, end notes)
 
Trump is great at foisting these noxious truisms on everyone. Yes, we can't support Puerto Rico forever. Of course they never asked for that.
He is a natural troll. The things he believes, I think he says them. And it is routinely a comment that will clear a room as assuredly as
flatulence. The subtext of his comment is that Puerto Rico is a taker province and less worthy of help than "real America."

Anyone here think he would have said this had the same occurred in the heartland USA? Not a chance.
 
chuckiechan said:
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Am I the only one who noticed that the mayor or who ever she was was prattling about "No aid", yet standing in front of pallets of aid.
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Evidently you didn't listen to a thing she said because she was asking for help with logistics. Her point was that Puerto Rico is an island 30 miles wide and a 100 miles long, yet supposedly the United States with the greatest military in the history of civilization cannot get aid from the docks to where it is needed.
 
If only we could have invaded Puerto Rico, then the cons would be saying we need to be there forever.
 
Mr Person said:
Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler, The Age of Social Catastrophe (Robert Gellatey, 2007).



It's not so snappy. Roughly 594 pages, followed by 101 pages of paper "links" (aka, end notes)
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Are you comparing Trump to these dictators?
 
American said:
Are you comparing Trump to these dictators?
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No one did that. Let's review, since you're currently parading around with at least one of the goalposts.



Cigar said:
I say let Trump be Trump ... and let the chips fall where they may.
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imagep said:
Hitler supporters said that also.

I say we question authority (regardless who that authority is or what party they belong to), and make this world a better place.
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American said:
Link?
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Ohhhhhhhh, so what was being suggested is the same generic sort of malaise regarding opposition to a potentially dangerous leader was in play in both the rise of Hitler and Stalin. Nobody said Trump IS Hitler or even remotely resembles him in terms of policy.

So much for the "Gotcha" American.



Of course, I'm assuming your "link" demand was aimed at the proposition that Hitler's early supporters said people should just wait to see what happens. Perhaps I misread and you were asking for a "link" to back up the notion of questioning authority.

:shrug:





Anyway, care to explain how you also overlooked the obvious re: Puerto Rico's federal tax contributions, back on page 4?
 
Mr Person said:
No one did that. Let's review, since you're currently parading around with at least one of the goalposts.










Ohhhhhhhh, so what was being suggested is the same generic sort of malaise regarding opposition to a potentially dangerous leader was in play in both the rise of Hitler and Stalin. Nobody said Trump IS Hitler or even remotely resembles him in terms of policy.

So much for the "Gotcha" American.



Of course, I'm assuming your "link" demand was aimed at the proposition that Hitler's early supporters said people should just wait to see what happens. Perhaps I misread and you were asking for a "link" to back up the notion of questioning authority.

:shrug:





Anyway, care to explain how you also overlooked the obvious re: Puerto Rico's federal tax contributions, back on page 4?
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Precisely.

I already looked up PR's tax contributions.
 
American said:
Precisely.

I already looked up PR's tax contributions.
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Wait. What?

You bolded "I misread and you were asking for a "link" to back up the notion of questioning authority."

You really want a link to support the proposition that authority should be questioned?




There'd be one easy way to make Puerto Rico pay taxes like the rest of the States: make it a state. I think it's rather unfair to know what the unique tax structure is in Puerto but then bash them for it, seeing as we rather set it up that way, no?
 
Anthony60 said:
I propose we all commit to help Puerto Rico FOREVER! And that Puerto Rico DOES NOT shoulder more responsibility and help themselves!
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I propose America commit to helping Americans FOREVER. I'm surprised you'd use sarcasm to be opposed to this. wait... no I'm not surprised.
 
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dobieg said:
Lolol,..you're team has been blowing the same snot since Nov 9 2016.
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And you know this how?


Says you got here JUN17
 
Fletch said:
Have you checked on the number of uneducated, angry blacks who know where Puerto Rico is...or if it is even part of America? And is there some reason you have to inject race into every one of your posts?
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Oh sorry...Didn't know you were so PC
 
Fenton said:
He's absolutely right.

Puerto Rico was bankrupt with over 100 Billion dollars in debt BEFORE Maria hit and billions of dollars in unfunded pension liabillities.

Their massive debt led to the deterioration of their infrastructure that was in bad shape priot to the storm.

Decades of Political corruption and ineptitiude led to their debt crisis and their failing infrastructure.

I have no issue with assistance tied to Maria, but their debt and the consequences of decades of mismanagment is their problem and the American tax payer shouldnt be on the hook for it
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Our Putin puppet is the last person on the planet who should be talking about political corruption or bankruptcy!!!
 
Khayembii Communique said:
They're American and they pay taxes.
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I think they only like us when they want money. Its not like they do the pledge of allegiance over there or anything. I dont think they think of themselves as "American".
 
chuckiechan said:
I am curious as to why has Puerto Rico, always been a financial basket case. It seems every place that was ever a Spanish colony is a mess. That we cannot control. But we can change the island's outlook toward economics. I'm all for the USA helping, but also taking over and administering Puerto Rico to fix it one way or another. This cannot keep going on. They go from one debt crisis to another and from one chaotic problem to another. Anyone who spends the taxpayers money on behalf of taxpayers should be addressing this problem.

Am I the only one who noticed that the mayor or who ever she was was prattling about "No aid", yet standing in front of pallets of aid.
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That "aid" you refer to was three pallets of water for 300 thousand people...
 
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