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Trump threatens NBC, then says it's 'disgusting' press can 'write whatever it wants'

MTAtech said:
That's nonsense. Please cite major stories that were "made up." The criticism of trump found on the news is not only fair and deserved but accurate and largely self-inflicted.
Moderate Right said:
They just made up the story of Trump wanting to increase our nukes tenfold.
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Moderate Right said:
First, the story about Trump wanting to increase our nukes tenfold had absolutely nothing to do with Tillerson. Second, do you have any proof that Tillerson said that? If you are going to publish either story then you should have proof that both happened. There is no proof of either. If there is no proof then it was made up fake news. It is up to the media to prove that it is not fake news. And don't give me any crap that Tillerson didn't deny it. That is not proof.
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Oh really. Tillerson was in the room. This is the article.
WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump said he wanted what amounted to a nearly tenfold increase in the U.S. nuclear arsenal during a gathering this past summer of the nation’s highest-ranking national security leaders, according to three officials who were in the room.
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Trump indicated he wanted a bigger stockpile, not the bottom position on that downward-sloping curve.

According to the officials present, Trump’s advisers, among them the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, were surprised. Officials briefly explained the legal and practical impediments to a nuclear buildup and how the current military posture is stronger than it was at the height of the buildup.
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Events aren't "fake" because your don't want them to be true.

Today's journalists are using standards that have existed for many decades. It's telling that you demand that journalists now need essentially affidavits of those who they are quoting but you accept the bald lies Trump tells daily (now 1,318 and counting) as absolute fact.
 
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Moderate Right said:
First, the story about Trump wanting to increase our nukes tenfold had absolutely nothing to do with Tillerson.
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Tillerson reportedly called Trump a moron after the meeting where Trump called for an increase in nukes.

Second, do you have any proof that Tillerson said that? If you are going to publish either story then you should have proof that both happened. There is no proof of either. If there is no proof then it was made up fake news. It is up to the media to prove that it is not fake news. And don't give me any crap that Tillerson didn't deny it. That is not proof.
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What exactly is the proof required for you? The calls of "fake news" on Fox News have even started to disappear.

Fake news is just an excuse for sticking your head in the sand for news you don't like. It's creating your own reality.
 
Moderate Right said:
First, the story about Trump wanting to increase our nukes tenfold had absolutely nothing to do with Tillerson. Second, do you have any proof that Tillerson said that? If you are going to publish either story then you should have proof that both happened. There is no proof of either. If there is no proof then it was made up fake news. It is up to the media to prove that it is not fake news. And don't give me any crap that Tillerson didn't deny it. That is not proof.
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My proof that Tillerson called Trump a moron (actually a f'ing moron) is that Trump challenged him to an IQ test:
Trump Challenges Secretary of State Rex Tillerson To IQ Test, Feuds With GOP Sen. Bob Corker : NPR
 
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"Trump threatens NBC, then says it's 'disgusting' press can 'write whatever it wants'"

Yes, sounds right. The disgusting press can write whatever it wants thanks to the first amendment.
 
Re: Trump suggested that media companies who report critically on him should have licenses revoked

holbritter said:
Is that the new state of things? That anything can be written or said, and it's true unless you prove inaccurate?

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty in this country?
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The Steele dossier was made by a life long British intelligence professional that is highly regarded. So far not a single element of it has been proven false. However several elements of it have been confirmed as accurate. That doesn't mean the entire thing is legitimate but so far it appears to be.
 
Re: President Trump threatens NBC over critical coverage

holbritter said:
Who is Vauge? And why does he want to ban me?

I didn't think he did have the power. Isn't free speech protected? The FCC's power doesn't override the Constitution.

Edit: just saw this:
The FCC is technically an independent body, not subject to the president's orders. FCC Chairman Ajit Pai -- who is a Republican appointed to his current post by Trump -- said in March that his job is not to be a "political actor."
"It is simply to be somebody at the FCC who, as I said, is administering the laws of the United States," Pai said. "I'm simply not going to wade into that kind of political debate."
Neither Pai nor an FCC spokesperson immediately responded to requests for comment about Trump's tweet. But former FCC officials were quick to skewer the president.

From the link in post #
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Vauge is the owner of this site. And relax. To my knowledge he doesn't want to ban you. The point is that the question "At what point is it appropriate to permanently ban Holbritter from DP?" carries very different implications when it's asked by Vauge (has power to ban you) versus me (doesn't have the power to do diddly squat).

Pai's claim not to be a "political actor" doesn't mean anything, though it's enlightening that none of the FCC's commissioners had anything to say about trump's comment.
 
Moderate Right said:
They just made up the story of Trump wanting to increase our nukes tenfold.
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Sounds like something Trump would say.
It was also reported that he asked "Why can't we use nukes?"

Considering how damning this stuff looks, you do understand that they *try* to keep all this stuff secret right? They do not want anything leaked, so the trickle you are getting is just the tip of the iceberg.
If Trump appears to be a raging moron from our limited perspective, I can assure you that it's like a moronic hurricane for those actually dealing with him on a regular basis.

It's not like there is some credible counter-story going on. The best the White House has are excuses, not evidence to the contrary! He didn't meant that. He just tweets, that's just Trump. It was an anonymous source therefore it's not credible. he was just playing bad cop. He was just acting insane to make them think he'll do something insane for negotiating purposes. He's just new and an outsider. He just talks plain like the people want him to. It's not likes, it's "Truthful Hyperbole".

I could go on and on, just off the top of my head. But where is all the counter evidence, for which I'm sure Trump and his vast resources and influence and power are bringing to bear to counter this "fake news"?
No major legislation has been passed! He's incredibly unpopular. He attacks everyone, even his own white house picks! Every time he tries to tweet to distract from his problems, he creates two more.

In a way, it's true, it doesn't matter what Trump says, his voters will support him. But likewise, he cried wolf 1001 times too many, nothing he says will make people who didn't drink the kool-aid, believe a word he says, including his claim the he never said XYZ.

Trump has worked hard to earn his reputation, I'll be damned if I see you try and tear it down.
 
prometeus said:
Everything he said and says on a daily basis.
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And I could care less about what he said. I was speaking of his delivery, and how
his lack of demarcation between normal speech and sarcasm, could lead those with preconceived
ideas to think he is being literal, when he is being sarcastic.
The fact that you are commenting on a speech, that you imply you did not see,
leads me to believe you should be included in those with preconceived ideas.
 
MTAtech said:
[h=2]CNN Media: President Trump suggested Wednesday that media companies which report critically on him should be punished by having their television station licenses revoked.[/h]
For the sake of democracy, this guy has to go. "Fake News" is any news that isn't fawning of him. To suggest that media companies that are critical of him shouldn't have licenses means he has no respect for the constitution or that the media is a legitimate check on the people in power.
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The thread title is incorrect. What he tweeted was a hypothetical question. A question is not a statement. A question is not an opinion. A question is not a threat.

The dishonesty of the mainstream media and all who take what it says as gospel is quite astounding to those who are intellectually honest about these things.

We can legitimately debate whether it is appropriate to ask such a question. But to make more of it than it is intended is just wrong and dishonest. And when the media reports in a way that is dishonest, it does become fake news.
 
AlbqOwl said:
The thread title is incorrect. What he tweeted was a hypothetical question. A question is not a statement. A question is not an opinion. A question is not a threat.
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MOB BOSS: "Don't you think that it sure would be a shame if something bad happened to your family?"

Yeah, it's just a hypothetical question and not a threat.
 
Re: President Trump threatens NBC over critical coverage

holbritter said:
Who is Vauge? And why does he want to ban me?

I didn't think he did have the power. Isn't free speech protected? The FCC's power doesn't override the Constitution.

Edit: just saw this:
The FCC is technically an independent body, not subject to the president's orders. FCC Chairman Ajit Pai -- who is a Republican appointed to his current post by Trump -- said in March that his job is not to be a "political actor."
"It is simply to be somebody at the FCC who, as I said, is administering the laws of the United States," Pai said. "I'm simply not going to wade into that kind of political debate."
Neither Pai nor an FCC spokesperson immediately responded to requests for comment about Trump's tweet. But former FCC officials were quick to skewer the president.

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As a followup, there's this tweet that I'm not sure how I missed:

"Network news has become so partisan, distorted and fake that licenses must be challenged and, if appropriate, revoked. Not fair to public!"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/918267396493922304

Well, I'd say that removes a fair amount of ambiguity, wouldn't you say?
 
MTAtech said:
That "article" from your right-wing source, is from June. This is now October. If it's the tip of the iceberg, where is this iceberg? Clearly, all that you have shown is that journalists are not perfect -- and nobody said that they were. It is a long journey from, "CNN once made a mistake" to "the media is just fake news."
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There are documented examples of stories out there that are false, I am NOT going on a wild goose chase for you so that you can just sit back and dismiss every one shown you...You won't acknowledge it anyway.
 
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Cardinal said:
As a followup, there's this tweet that I'm not sure how I missed:

"Network news has become so partisan, distorted and fake that licenses must be challenged and, if appropriate, revoked. Not fair to public!"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/918267396493922304

Well, I'd say that removes a fair amount of ambiguity, wouldn't you say?
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He can say all he wants...What actions have been taken to violate the 1st amendment...Until you have that all you have is fear, and BS.
 
MTAtech said:
MOB BOSS: "Don't you think that it sure would be a shame if something bad happened to your family?"

Yeah, it's just a hypothetical question and not a threat.
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Should people should focus on the intent of the statement instead of inserting an urelated straw man? A hypothetical question to make a point. Not a statement. Not a threat.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Should people should focus on the intent of the statement instead of inserting an urelated straw man? A hypothetical question to make a point. Not a statement. Not a threat.
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Groucho Marx said, "who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?" Anyone reading Trump's Tweet would get the impression he wanted to take away NBC licenses for what he called "so partisan, distorted and fake" (which I call inconvenient facts.) Who should I believe, you or my own reading skills?

The Tweet: "network news has become so partisan, distorted and fake that licenses must be challenged and, if appropriate, revoked."
 
MTAtech said:
Groucho Marx said, "who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?" Anyone reading Trump's Tweet would get the impression he wanted to take away NBC licenses for what he called "so partisan, distorted and fake" (which I call inconvenient facts.) Who should I believe, you or my own reading skills?

The Tweet: "network news has become so partisan, distorted and fake that licenses must be challenged and, if appropriate, revoked."
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I follow the President on Twitter, I saw the tweet, and I didn't see it as anything other than a hypothetical question related to responsibility of the press. I'm sure Trump haters all saw it quite differently from that.
 
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j-mac said:
He can say all he wants...What actions have been taken to violate the 1st amendment...Until you have that all you have is fear, and BS.
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Interesting. A statement of intent by somebody with the position to carry out that intent has no importance to you. What an odd view of the Presidency you must have.
 
iliveonramen said:
Tillerson reportedly called Trump a moron after the meeting where Trump called for an increase in nukes.



What exactly is the proof required for you? The calls of "fake news" on Fox News have even started to disappear.

Fake news is just an excuse for sticking your head in the sand for news you don't like. It's creating your own reality.
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You don't have any proof at all, not even a smidgen. What proof do you have?
 
Moderate Right said:
You don't have any proof at all, not even a smidgen. What proof do you have?
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Who denied it? I'd personally take the credibility of NBC over the lying scoundrels in the WH.
 
Mach said:
Sounds like something Trump would say.
It was also reported that he asked "Why can't we use nukes?"

Considering how damning this stuff looks, you do understand that they *try* to keep all this stuff secret right? They do not want anything leaked, so the trickle you are getting is just the tip of the iceberg.
If Trump appears to be a raging moron from our limited perspective, I can assure you that it's like a moronic hurricane for those actually dealing with him on a regular basis.

It's not like there is some credible counter-story going on. The best the White House has are excuses, not evidence to the contrary! He didn't meant that. He just tweets, that's just Trump. It was an anonymous source therefore it's not credible. he was just playing bad cop. He was just acting insane to make them think he'll do something insane for negotiating purposes. He's just new and an outsider. He just talks plain like the people want him to. It's not likes, it's "Truthful Hyperbole".

I could go on and on, just off the top of my head. But where is all the counter evidence, for which I'm sure Trump and his vast resources and influence and power are bringing to bear to counter this "fake news"?
No major legislation has been passed! He's incredibly unpopular. He attacks everyone, even his own white house picks! Every time he tries to tweet to distract from his problems, he creates two more.

In a way, it's true, it doesn't matter what Trump says, his voters will support him. But likewise, he cried wolf 1001 times too many, nothing he says will make people who didn't drink the kool-aid, believe a word he says, including his claim the he never said XYZ.

Trump has worked hard to earn his reputation, I'll be damned if I see you try and tear it down.
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Where's the proof? If there is no proof then the story was just made up.
 
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