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Utah police officer fired after manhandling, arresting nurse who was doing her job

Hawkeye10 said:
So what was the harm done? Did that level of harm justify ruining a mans career?

Call me skeptical, I am the same guy who says that blacks need to do as they are told by cops, it the cops make a mistake it can be sorted out later, retraining can be done, apologizes can be made, we can do better the next time....but if we are going to fire cops for one mistake then we will not have cops, and I have a big problem with that.
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If you fire bad cops who make big mistakes, then you still have cops, but the good cops. Whose jobs will be easier, because the bad cops will not destroy the trust with the people they are policing
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
If you fire bad cops who make big mistakes, then you still have cops, but the good cops. Whose jobs will be easier, because the bad cops will not destroy the trust with the people they are policing
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I bet I know what List you made in The Basement ... well said. ;)
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Why would anyone want to be a cop with the way this society is unraveling and with the way we increasingly treat them poorly?

Look what treating them poorly did to American Politics!
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But, wait a sec...this isn't about us treating them badly, this is about them treating us badly. How did that suddenly get switched around? You think people just woke up one day and wanted to be at odds with the cops?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
That is what fanatics do, one mistake and you are OUT BABY!

NO MERCY, HIT HARDER!
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This was no simple mistake, this was denying another thier civil rights and demanding they do something that could have gotten her fired.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Perhaps, but firing people for one mistake is almost never the right call.
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Depends on the mistake. we had a guy, great security engineer, literally left the password to a firewall installed in a very large customers datacenter as "password", and left it exposed via http to the network. our reputation in the industry is paramount and a mistake like that got him the instant boot.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
If you fire bad cops who make big mistakes, then you still have cops, but the good cops. Whose jobs will be easier, because the bad cops will not destroy the trust with the people they are policing
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Trust is not destroyed if the justice system makes corrections, and if apologizes are made.

Firing people is not the only option, and it should be the last option not the first.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Depends on the mistake. we had a guy, great security engineer, literally left the password to a firewall installed in a very large customers datacenter as "password", and left it exposed via http to the network. our reputation in the industry is paramount and a mistake like that got him the instant boot.
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We are talking about the arrest of a person, the booking them, which can be fixed in hours with minimal negative impact to the individual arrested or the community or the rep of the PD so long as a public apology is made so that citizens reputation is not gravely harmed.
 
HowardBThiname said:
It's sufficient that he was fired. He broke no laws. He had the authority to do what he did -- but he used his authority very poorly.

No crime, though.
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He broke no laws? How about false imprisonment, kidnapping, assault. There is a legal basis to charge him with any and/or all of those. He absolutely did NOT have the authority to do what he did (which is why he was fired....Doh!) Having a badge and carrying a gun does not give you the authority to violate the law. A Badge does not equal "authority".
 
Hawkeye10 said:
We are talking about the arrest of a person, the booking them, which can be fixed in hours with minimal negative impact to the individual arrested or the community or the rep of the PD so long as a public apology is made so that citizens reputation is not gravely harmed.
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No we are talking about an illegal detainment, and arrest. assault and abuse of power.


Not only should this bad cop should have been fired, the other cops standing around should be diciplined as well for not stopping it.
 
HowardBThiname said:
It's sufficient that he was fired. He broke no laws. He had the authority to do what he did -- but he used his authority very poorly.

No crime, though.
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I'm honestly curious....what makes you believe that he had the authority to do what he did?
 
HowardBThiname said:
It's sufficient that he was fired. He broke no laws. He had the authority to do what he did -- but he used his authority very poorly.

No crime, though.
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Incorrect.


He had no authority to detain the woman an would not be able to articulate reasonable suspicion a crime was committed. the order he gave was illegal and thus any actions impeding her free movement from that point forward was also illegal.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
So what was the harm done? Did that level of harm justify ruining a mans career?

Call me skeptical, I am the same guy who says that blacks need to do as they are told by cops, it the cops make a mistake it can be sorted out later, retraining can be done, apologizes can be made, we can do better the next time....but if we are going to fire cops for one mistake then we will not have cops, and I have a big problem with that.
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The use of physical force and terrorizing that nurse who was doing her job properly...when there was absolutely no emergency.

And I totally believe he deserves to have his career ruined. Do you know what expeditious means? He took the fastest, easiest way to get it done...with no consideration for anything else, esp. not her physical well-being. He wa lazy and acted like a thug.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trust is not destroyed if the justice system makes corrections, and if apologizes are made.

Firing people is not the only option, and it should be the last option not the first.
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Surely you don't believe this action was taken without internal review and recommendation do you?

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Hawkeye10 said:
Trust is not destroyed if the justice system makes corrections, and if apologizes are made.

Firing people is not the only option, and it should be the last option not the first.
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The correction has to be commensurate with the action. Lots of times, apologies are not enough.

Nor suspension or other things.

Trust is only built when the behavior is corrected in a just manner.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
If we fired all the cops that even have made a bad arrest we would have almost no cops.
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No, we would have plenty of cops left. Most cops are honest as hell, and are doing a thankless job that nobody else wants to do. But thank you for showing me that you have no respect for the police.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
We are talking about the arrest of a person, the booking them, which can be fixed in hours with minimal negative impact to the individual arrested or the community or the rep of the PD so long as a public apology is made so that citizens reputation is not gravely harmed.
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Wow. Just wow.

He physically manhandled her. Because he couldnt be bothered to take the time to do his job properly.

And you just minimize it away...:doh

I dont know about anyone else, but I have plenty of things I can be doing "in hours" rather than sitting in a cell with other skells, nursing my bruises. My time is alot more important than some cop who has no respect for the people he's supposed to serve and protect.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Incorrect.


He had no authority to detain the woman an would not be able to articulate reasonable suspicion a crime was committed. the order he gave was illegal and thus any actions impeding her free movement from that point forward was also illegal.
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You are correct. The officer committed a crime. It's called Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law - 18 U.S. Code § 242.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
So what was the harm done? Did that level of harm justify ruining a mans career?

Call me skeptical, I am the same guy who says that blacks need to do as they are told by cops, it the cops make a mistake it can be sorted out later, retraining can be done, apologizes can be made, we can do better the next time....but if we are going to fire cops for one mistake then we will not have cops, and I have a big problem with that.
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What harm was done? Are you friggin serious? An innocent woman was manhandled and handcuffed by a thug with a badge. This thug didn't commit a "mistake"...this man clearly believed that he was above the law and could do whatever he wanted because he was given a gun and a badge. Absolutely his career should be over. Who knows how many other times this man has used his "authority" to subject innocent people to this type of mistreatment. Even if this were the only time....his actions clearly warranted termination.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
So what was the harm done? Did that level of harm justify ruining a mans career?

Call me skeptical, I am the same guy who says that blacks need to do as they are told by cops, it the cops make a mistake it can be sorted out later, retraining can be done, apologizes can be made, we can do better the next time....but if we are going to fire cops for one mistake then we will not have cops, and I have a big problem with that.
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what harm? deprivation of civil rights for one.
 
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