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Weinstein Co. terminates Harvey Weinstein following sexual harassment allegations

Cardinal said:
The complete list of women who came forward (in addition to Ivana Trump and Jill Harth):

Jessica Leeds (1980s)
Kristin Anderson (1990s)
Cathy Heller (1997)
Temple Taggart McDowell (1997)
Karena Virginia (1998)
Mindy McGillivray (2003)
Rachel Crooks (2005)
Natasha Stoynoff (2005)
Jessica Drake (2006)
Ninni Laaksonen (2006)
Summer Zervos (2007)
Burnett's unnamed friend (2010)
Cassandra Searles (2013)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations
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Is an accusation enough to brand somebody a sexual predator?

You said above that the cases that were brought were dropped, so why do you brand him a predator?

Where are the rest of these women today and why are they not pursuing the cases?
 
Mason66 said:
Is an accusation enough to brand somebody a sexual predator?

You said above that the cases that were brought were dropped, so why do you brand him a predator?

Where are the rest of these women today and why are they not pursuing the cases?
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I brand him a predator because he bragged about actions that are sexual assault. Plus, the sheer number of women coming forward is eye-raising, such as one woman after another coming forward in the case of Bill Cosby. In addition to his own boasts, there's also the matter of him walking in on underage women changing. The sheer number of stories is overwhelming, and denying it at this point requires a sort of credulousness that can only be explained by a desire to shield the predator. But if accusations aren't good enough, then you'd have to drop any accusations against Clinton.

As to why women don't pursue cases, it's because they tend not to be believed: women who come forward with sexual assault/harassment cases can expect a mixture of disbelief, retribution by the more powerful sexual predator, punishment by a system that harbors that predator, an investigation into their own personal lives, and accusations that they're only doing the accusing for wealth and/or attention.
 
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The essence of Liberalism is based in authortarianism, or their desire to have more and more control over the lives of people they believe are beneath them

So its no surprise that Weinstein was exposed as a sexual predator, a objectifier of woman

Its also no surprise that Hollywood and the NYTs have chosen to keep the details of his crimes subverted for so long Harvey Weinstein scandal: Ex-Times reporter says Oscar winners called in to help Weinstein out of 2004 jam | Fox News

As for his Company firing him ? They and the NYTs and sooo many Hillary supporting actors and actresses have known about this for decades.

Didnt Ashley Judd throw a fit when Trump won ? Hypocrites
 
Fenton said:
The essence of Liberalism is based in authortarianism, or their desire to have more and more control over the lives of people they believe are beneath them

So its no surprise that Weinstein was exposed as a sexual predator, a objectifier of woman

Its also no surprise that Hollywood and the NYTs have chosen to keep the details of his crimes subverted for so long Harvey Weinstein scandal: Ex-Times reporter says Oscar winners called in to help Weinstein out of 2004 jam | Fox News

As for his Company firing him ? They and the NYTs and sooo many Hillary supporting actors and actresses have known about this for decades.

Didnt Ashley Judd throw a fit when Trump won ? Hypocrites
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There needs to be a healthy balance between hearing victims out and adhering to the principle that everybody is innocent until proven guilty. Right now that balance is so weighted toward castigating the victim that most women simply don't report the offender for fear of massive and public reprisals. As I said in the post of above yours:

Women frequently don't make complaints about the offender because they tend not to be believed: women who come forward with sexual assault/harassment cases can expect a mixture of disbelief, retribution by the more powerful sexual predator, punishment by a system that harbors that predator, an investigation into their own personal lives, and accusations that they're only coming forward for wealth and/or attention.

It's an absolute travesty that when accusations of sexual assault involve high profile offenders such as Trump and Clinton, the only people who enthusiastically believe the women are those who have a personal beef with the letter after the politician's name.
 
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Sucks to be bounced from your own company but I'm sure he wont be hurting financially....until/unless the civil suits.

OTOH, how is anyone surprised by this? I've always considered it endemic in Hollywood. The 'casting couch' is not a new phenomenon.

Powerful men have always used women in their sphere predatorially. As a "perk of the job, one that comes with their power and position." Trump admitted the same and got elected.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
So by that logic, The republican party has more moral highground when it comes to pedophilia than the democrat party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Studds

Wow.
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I didn't read the link, but I'll assume it made mention of something bad Democrats did. You're still left with the fact that Republicans knew that Trump was a sexual predator and they made him President anyway.

It's shameful that people have reduced themselves to negotiating over which sexual deviant is slightly less deviant-y than the other. Republicans could have held the undisputed high ground by, you know, not electing a sexual predator at all.
 
Cardinal said:
There needs to be a healthy balance between hearing victims out and adhering to the principle that everybody is innocent until proven guilty. Right now that balance is so weighted toward castigating the victim that most women simply don't report the offender for fear of massive and public reprisals. As I said in the post of above yours:

Women frequently don't make complaints about the offender because they tend not to be believed: women who come forward with sexual assault/harassment cases can expect a mixture of disbelief, retribution by the more powerful sexual predator, punishment by a system that harbors that predator, an investigation into their own personal lives, and accusations that they're only coming forward for wealth and/or attention.

It's an absolute travesty that when accusations of sexual assault involve high profile offenders such as Trump and Clinton, the only people who enthusiastically believe the women are those who have a personal beef with the letter after the politician's name.
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Lol...not one word about Harvey Weistein in that reply.
 
Cardinal said:
I didn't read the link, but I'll assume it made mention of something bad Democrats did. You're still left with the fact that Republicans knew that Trump was a sexual predator and they made him President anyway.

It's shameful that people have reduced themselves to negotiating over which sexual deviant is slightly less deviant-y than the other. Republicans could have held the undisputed high ground by, you know, not electing a sexual predator at all.
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I think locker room talk is just that talk. Do you have any evidence of actual ***** grabbing? Your democrat guy actually had a relationship with a male minor.


There are a ton of issues with trump, getting your panties in a wad over **** I'm sure people you know have said similar, is fake as AF.



It's the difference between you guys ignoring the likes of kennedy, clinton, and now weinstien vs feigning outrage over trump, one has to ask what message are you trying to send?
 
MTAtech said:
Trump said: "And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything." That's not the same thing as consent (ask your wife.)

Now you are rationalizing sexual assault. Lovely.
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By his own words he believed he had consent and as far I know he has not been convicted of any sexual assault charge. Your defense of Clinton is that nobody convicted him well the same can be said about Trump too. Your holding one culpable but not the other.

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Fenton said:
Lol...not one word about Harvey Weistein in that reply.
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Well, something wonderful happened in that entire debacle: the women were believed. Weinstein was thoroughly castigated as he should have been and half the population didn't shield him out of partisanship. Although it's a tragedy that he was able to get away with what he did for as long as he did, when his acts were brought to light it had the correct result. The problem with politics is that the country is split down party lines by nearly half/half, and the result is that when a particularly noteworthy politician, such as Trump or Clinton, is accused of being a sexual predator, nearly half the country circle him in protection. When Clinton was accused by multiple women of harassment/assault, Democrats pretended that the women were purely out for something insidious. When the same happened to Trump and worse, Republicans made him the President.
 
trouble13 said:
By his own words he believed he had consent and as far I know he has not been convicted of any sexual assault charge. Your defense of Clinton is that nobody convicted him well the same can be said about Trump too. Your holding one culpable but not the other.

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I for one am not interested in a sexual predator's claim that his victim wanted it. I'd like to hear the woman's side.
 
Cardinal said:
I'm more interested in whether the woman agrees that she let him rather than whether a sexual predator believes that.
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Wiley and Broderick did not.

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trouble13 said:
Wiley and Broderick did not.

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The claim is that the women "let" Trump fondle their genitals without consent. I'd like to hear their side.
 
Cardinal said:
I'm not sure what's "weird" about it. A rich and powerful guy is a successful sexual predator for years and gets away with it until enough brave women step forward and manage to put an end to it. What trump is protected by that Weinstein lacked is a powerful cult following combined with the strongest partisan abyss in modern memory.
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What did he do? And who said he did it?
 
joG said:
What was he accused of?
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In addition to bragging about sexual assault in the Access Hollywood tapes, there's also the other women who accused him of assault and harassment:

Donald Trump, an American businessman and current President of the United States, has been accused of sexual assault and sexual harassment by at least fifteen women since the 1980s. Three of those women filed lawsuits, which were eventually withdrawn, alleging that they were sexually assaulted by Trump. Additionally one accuser filed a defamation lawsuit in 2017 after Trump called her a liar.[5] In addition to these lawsuits, Trump has also been publicly accused of non-consensual kissing, or non-consensual groping of breasts, buttocks and genitalia, by at least twelve more women.

Several of these allegations preceded Trump's candidacy for president, but many more arose during that campaign, when a 2005 recording was leaked. Trump was recorded bragging that a celebrity like himself "can do anything" to women, including "just start kissing them ... I don't even wait" and "grab 'em by the *****". During the October 9, 2016 second presidential debate, two days after the recording was leaked, Trump denied that his recorded comments described sexual assault and denied ever inappropriately touching a woman. Many of his accusers stated that these denials provoked them into going public with their allegations.

A third type of accusation Miss Universe and Miss Teen USA contestants have made, primarily after the 2016 debate, was of Trump entering dressing rooms of beauty pageant contestants in 1997, 2000, 2001, and 2006, while they were in various stages of undress. During a 2005 interview on The Howard Stern Show, Trump admitted that he could "get away with things like that". This practice allegedly extended to Miss Teen USA; several former participants in that pageant allege that Trump walked into the dressing rooms of girls as young as 15.
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The complete list of women who came forward (in addition to Ivana Trump and Jill Harth):

Jessica Leeds (1980s)
Kristin Anderson (1990s)
Cathy Heller (1997)
Temple Taggart McDowell (1997)
Karena Virginia (1998)
Mindy McGillivray (2003)
Rachel Crooks (2005)
Natasha Stoynoff (2005)
Jessica Drake (2006)
Ninni Laaksonen (2006)
Summer Zervos (2007)
Burnett's unnamed friend (2010)
Cassandra Searles (2013)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations
 
Cardinal said:
The claim is that the women "let" Trump fondle their genitals without consent. I'd like to hear their side.
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Women have claimed Clinton of sexual assault

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trouble13 said:
Women have claimed Clinton of sexual assault

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Indeed they have. As I said on that point:

There needs to be a healthy balance between hearing victims out and adhering to the principle that everybody is innocent until proven guilty. Right now that balance is so weighted toward castigating the victim that most women simply don't report the offender for fear of massive and public reprisals. As I said in the post of above yours:

Women frequently don't make complaints about the offender because they tend not to be believed: women who come forward with sexual assault/harassment cases can expect a mixture of disbelief, retribution by the more powerful sexual predator, punishment by a system that harbors that predator, an investigation into their own personal lives, and accusations that they're only coming forward for wealth and/or attention.

It's an absolute travesty that when accusations of sexual assault involve high profile offenders such as Trump and Clinton, the only people who enthusiastically believe the women are those who have a personal beef with the letter after the politician's name.
 
Cardinal said:
Indeed they have. As I said on that point:

There needs to be a healthy balance between hearing victims out and adhering to the principle that everybody is innocent until proven guilty. Right now that balance is so weighted toward castigating the victim that most women simply don't report the offender for fear of massive and public reprisals. As I said in the post of above yours:

Women frequently don't make complaints about the offender because they tend not to be believed: women who come forward with sexual assault/harassment cases can expect a mixture of disbelief, retribution by the more powerful sexual predator, punishment by a system that harbors that predator, an investigation into their own personal lives, and accusations that they're only coming forward for wealth and/or attention.

It's an absolute travesty that when accusations of sexual assault involve high profile offenders such as Trump and Clinton, the only people who enthusiastically believe the women are those who have a personal beef with the letter after the politician's name.
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OK but we were not talking about if victims are treated fair or not. I challenged the claim that Trump was culpable but Clinton is not for the reason given. It is a double standard.

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Cardinal said:
In addition to bragging about sexual assault in the Access Hollywood tapes, there's also the other women who accused him of assault and harassment:



The complete list of women who came forward (in addition to Ivana Trump and Jill Harth):

Jessica Leeds (1980s)
Kristin Anderson (1990s)
Cathy Heller (1997)
Temple Taggart McDowell (1997)
Karena Virginia (1998)
Mindy McGillivray (2003)
Rachel Crooks (2005)
Natasha Stoynoff (2005)
Jessica Drake (2006)
Ninni Laaksonen (2006)
Summer Zervos (2007)
Burnett's unnamed friend (2010)
Cassandra Searles (2013)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations
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But, what did he do?
 
trouble13 said:
OK but we were not talking about if victims are treated fair or not. I challenged the claim that Trump was culpable but Clinton is not for the reason given. It is a double standard.

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You'll have to take that argument up with someone who's claiming that Clinton isn't culpable.

joG said:
But, what did he do?
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You have to actually read what I wrote and what is written in the link.
 
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