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'Trump dossier' on Russia links now part of special counsel's probe: sources

ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, Russia would never resort to blackmail or extortion to get their way with a foreign leader. Who, exactly, has proven this Russia and Trump are cohorts theory?
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You've heard of the ongoing investigations, right? To find out exactly this? :doh

(You are being sarcastic with the first sentence, yes?)
 
nota bene said:
My point stands: I posted a link, and you instantly responded without reading it. So I question just how genuine and fair-minded your interest is here.
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I saw that article even before you posted it. It wasn't new as you said.
I don't know why you care so much about the fact that I read it now when I read it before.
It doesn't say anything in that article that I didn't say in my first response to you. If it's fake then this whole thing is a witch hunt. If it's credible then that guy who wrote the article is wrong.
 
TheGoverness said:
I'm so tired of this Russia ****. So unbelievably tired.
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Greetings, TheGoverness. :2wave:

You're not alone in being tired of hearing the same old, same old - many people have just tuned out because it's taking far too long and it's become boring! I really don't know if anyone really cares at this point either, because even if it's true, it's well known that we also interfere in other countries internal affairs, so what makes us "holier than thou" and exempt from criticism? Sheesh! :thumbdown
 
Fiddytree said:
I think it would be smart to accept that a golden shower never occured, let alone that proof of the incident(s) exists.

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I don't know. The Committee is looking at it. What does that say about them then??
 
TheGoverness said:
I'm so tired of this Russia ****. So unbelievably tired.
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Well, they're not tired of us, so dig in for the long haul.

Ironically, when it comes to the investigation itself this is actually the one ongoing issue where you probably don't need to emotionalize involve yourself quite so much, seeing as it's being tended to by the Special Counsel. But if Mueller were to be forced out by Republicans before the conclusion of his investigation, then I'd say we can all really worry.

Congress Still Investigating Russia Election Collusion | Time.com
GOP lawmaker proposes amendment to stop Mueller investigation after 180 days | TheHill
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...hard-to-make-trumps-russia-scandal-disappear/
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, because we know that Russia would never fake a photo or video and everything on the internet is true.
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Yes and we know that Trump is truthful and never lies right?
 
TheGoverness said:
I'm so tired of this Russia ****. So unbelievably tired.
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This is not a simple murder involving a suspect, a victim, a witness, a gun and a bullet. Investigating the proposition: how did Russia interfere in our elections and were Americans complicit in that interference, is a daunting task.

This is an investigation that must review multiple clandestine electronic activities on the part of the Russians and tie them to one of several persons inside the Trump campaign. To tie them, they have to review (and understand) numerous extremely complex financial transactions of multiple persons, often involving real estate (which is characterized by extremely complex legal and financial structures - multiple entities and partnerships) over ten years time. This takes a lot of financially sophisticated brain power looking at a lot of transactions and then putting the puzzle together.

The unfortunate aspect of this is if the Trump administration did collude, the wheels of justice would be slow to catch them. It would be good to know that sooner than later. OTH, it is much better for America that we have a full, complete and unimpeachable investigation, even if the President is unimpeachable (though I think he is and will be...but that is another discussion).

IMHO, what this will reveal is that the Trump Organization has been largely financed by Russian interests over the past 10 years. They have been unable to borrow money from American sources since the bankruptcies...and Eric Trump bragged about the fact they could have all the funding they need from Lou Cypher, er....Russia... I would not be surprised to see that the TO balance sheet (hence Trump*s net worth) exists substantially at the behest of Russian financiers, which would mean our President is likely compromised by an enemy.

Eric Trump said dad’s golf courses were funded by Russia: report | New York Post

I think we just all have to be patient. It isn't as if the Russian investigation is owning the headlines daily or affecting much of how Washington does business. It seems so much in the background at times that people pop up on DP to tell us there must be nothing there.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
My prediction is a leaked video comes out with Trump getting golden showers from high class Russian Prostitutes in the Moscow Metropole hotel, Religious Right responds with: "It is not for us to judge." :)
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Actually that sounds more like the left. :)
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Looks like they are vetting the Dossier. Steele is not being cooperative but some things have been confirmed in it.



It's also said that the committee wants to finish the investigation by the end of the year.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-special-counsels-probe-sources-idUSKBN1C92WN
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MUELLER’S TEAM IS REPORTEDLY RESEARCHING THE LIMITS OF TRUMP’S PARDON POWER

Donald Trump has not been subtle about his desire to undermine or undercut special prosecutor Robert Mueller’s Russian collusion investigation—particularly in regards to pardons. Shortly after news broke that the former F.B.I. chief was sniffing around his family’s finances and the Trump Organization’s business deals, Trump boasted on Twitter that he has the “complete power to pardon.”

But Trump may have prematurely shown his hand. Mueller’s A-team of top investigators and attorneys has reportedly begun researching just how “complete” Trump’s pardon power really is, and whether he could pre-emptively pardon his family members and close associates. Specifically, the special prosecutor’s top legal counsel, Michael Dreeben, is looking into past presidential pardons to determine what restrictions exist, according to a Bloomberg report published Tuesday.​
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I don't know. The Committee is looking at it. What does that say about them then??
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There's no indication that that's the case. They may have looked for it, but that could be among the materials that they found could not be substantiated. They did mention their intent to continue looking at collusion, whether they could ultimately substantiate that claim or not.
 
Regarding the inclusion of the dossier, it should be expected that any evidence, however substantive it may or may not be, will be looked at in an ongoing investigation into collusion with Russia. Unlike seemingly every other institution left in the United States, Mueller's investigation is the one that is actually operating with the level of competence and tight-lippedness we just took for granted before Trump was sworn in. As a result, the most anybody knows is whatever crumbs the defense or members of Congress drop for us.

So obviously Mueller was always going to consider the dossier, but nobody here has any idea what significance that has or what aspects of the dossier he's focusing on.
 
Cardinal said:
Regarding the inclusion of the dossier, it should be expected that any evidence, however substantive it may or may not be, will be looked at in an ongoing investigation into collusion with Russia. Unlike seemingly every other institution left in the United States, Mueller's investigation is the one that is actually operating with the level of competence and tight-lippedness we just took for granted before Trump was sworn in. As a result, the most anybody knows is whatever crumbs the defense or members of Congress drop for us.

So obviously Mueller was always going to consider the dossier, but nobody here has any idea what significance that has or what aspects of the dossier he's focusing on.
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since collusion is only a crime in anti-trust laws this should be pretty quick and over if that is all you are attempting to charge him with.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
They wouldn't include the dossier in their investigation if it didn't have some semblance of credibility but they would like to talk to Steele and I would like to hear what he has to say.
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Comey investigated stuff he knew to be false. So the whole "semblence of credibility" is complete garbage. They're dragging this ****show out because they're flinging crap at a wall and hoping to see what sticks.
 
ludin said:
since collusion is only a crime in anti-trust laws this should be pretty quick and over if that is all you are attempting to charge him with.
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Me? I'm not Mueller. However, I know I give the same air of competence and authority, so I can understand your confusion.
 
ludin said:
since collusion is only a crime in anti-trust laws this should be pretty quick and over if that is all you are attempting to charge him with.
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Collusion is not a crime, but conspiracy is (can you say "conspiracy to commit election fraud"?) Moreover, Trump is most likely going to have to defend charges of at least obstruction of justice.

None of that matters, as the only entity with authority over Trump is congress via the impeachment process. Under impeachment, the "high crime and misdemeanor" is whatever congress says it is....

High Crimes and Misdemeanors - Constitutional Rights Foundation
Presidential Impeachment: The Legal Standard and Procedure - FindLaw

If congress has the political will to get rid of Trump (and substitute with Pence, who will likely be more electable in 2020), they should have little problem making quick work of it.
 
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upsideguy said:
Collusion is not a crime, but conspiracy is. Moreover, Trump is most likely going to have to defend charges of obstruction of justice.

None of that matters, as the only entity with authority over Trump is congress via the impeachment process. Under impeachment, the "high crime and misdemeanor" is whatever congress says it is....
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...and says it isn't. If Trump really did shoot a man on fifth avenue Congress would be under no legal imperative to impeach him.
 
Cardinal said:
...and says it isn't. If Trump really did shoot a man on fifth avenue Congress would be under no legal imperative to impeach him.
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Correct. In the end, impeachment is a political process masked as a legal one.
 
nota bene said:
From Forbes in January: "The Trump Dossier Is Fake -- And Here Are The Reasons Why" https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulro...ier-is-false-news-and-heres-why/#9ef9fb668674
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Republican Senator Burr on the Senate Intelligence Committee investigating the Russia probe.

“The committee cannot really decide the credibility of the dossier without understanding things like who paid for it, who are your source and sub-sources,” Burr said. “Though we have been incredibly enlightened at our ability to rebuild backwards the Steele Dossier up to a certain date, getting past that point has been somewhat impossible.”

link...​
 
apdst said:
The Mueller investigation is no longer a witch hunt. Nown it's a joke. :lamo
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trump and his gang of goons don't seem to laughing...I hope everyone of these goons along with trump go to jail
 
Saladin4 said:
trump and his gang of goons don't seem to laughing...I hope everyone of these goons along with trump go to jail
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Do you understand that Mueller's interest in the Steele Dossier pretty much guarantees that they have nothing. Right?
 
apdst said:
Do you understand that Mueller's interest in the Steele Dossier pretty much guarantees that they have nothing. Right?
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How so? That is only one piece of evidence, there is so very much more. Several will at least go down for lying to the fbi, or falsified reports.
 
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