Senate Intelligence Committee leaders: Russia did interfere in 2016 elections

Herkamer63 said:

Mueller and his team haven't turned up crap, other than this fake dossier. Their investigation is about as effective as Hillary's ability to (try) sell books. This "secret" information would have been made known to the public by now because the media loves to leak stuff like that. So I don't know what we're sweeping under the carpet when there's nothing.

With Mueller, just because he's a Republican, it doesn't mean that he's a non-Establishment guy. McConnell, Ryan, McCain, Graham, are examples of Republicans part of the Establishment. They were people that didn't want Trump to begin with. They pushing people like Jeb Bush and John Kasich. Mueller is no different, and he has proven it with this investigation. In his mind, and other Establishment Republicans, they were suppose to lose. They did think this one through, however, in case if Hillary did lose to someone like Jeb Bush, the Establishment could push him around and bully him into submission.

Now I will say, yes, we don't know what all the details are yet. However, given the pattern of this "investigation", they go back to the faulty information and try to present it as fact. That, right there, (I don't know for certain but) could be fraud for false allegation from a false witness. Which again, "innocent until proven guilty", and so far there has been nothing concrete that's been presented to send Trump to prison and, magically, make Hillary president.

The only thing Trump did was beat Hillary by 70+ electoral votes in the Presidential Election. So far with this "investigation", they have not been able to charge Trump with a crime because, based off of what they have done and found so far, there was no collusion, If you want my advice: Get over your temper tantrum already. Trump is our president. We had to deal with Obama, so deal with Trump. The election results will not be overturned because of a false accusation. So stop being a bunch of babies.

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JANFU said:

Or by approx 160 K votes in 4 key States.

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Herkamer63 said:

Bottom line is Trump won. To continue on with something that has no merit, substance, nor evidence is a waste of time. We could have launched something into Obama's campaign, but we decided it wasn't worth the time and money to do it because we can take the beating (and it was proven all 8 years of his presidency). Maybe, come up with a better argument and better ideas that aren't feeling based. Or better yet, base it off of reality. Sounds crazy, but trust me.

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Herkamer63 said:

Well on Hillary, she lied to the FBI about sensitive national security details and secrets in her 30,000+ emails. She had computer set up in another country to keep all that information and share it. The FBI even confirmed that information was trying to be erased totally without a trace. Comey came out and said she violated a few federal statutes. Also, when comes to the primary election, it does matter if it's tampered with. An election is an election, and no one should not tamper with it. When Wikileaks made their reveal, it was confirmed that the DNC rigged the primaries in Hillary's favor, thus defeating Crazy Bernie's chances of being the candidate (in other words, he got hosed).

On top of all that, we still have no idea what happened with the higher ups with Benghazi, which included Hillary (BTW, it's 5 years later and no suspects). The only thing that Hillary said, until it was proven to be a false statement, is the attack was the result of a video (correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the film maker was released from jail yet). Lastly, Hillary and her campaign colluded with the Ukrainian government to undermine Trump's campaign. Again, is illegal to have a foreign government interfere with another country's elections, so you could throw Obama in there as well on that one, with his inference during Israel's election, giving money to Bibi's opponent.

So if you're going to sit there and tell me Hillary didn't do anything illegal, that's an asinine and a gullible position. Loretta Lynch was confirmed to even help her out, so don't go there. With all that confirmed information, I don't know how she wouldn't be guilty. " Well she didn't mean it." Uh huh, and the terrorists back on 09/11/2001 didn't mean to run into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Right.

Unless if it endangers national security, rigging elections, or gives out government secrets, Manafort, Flynn, and Trump Jr are NOT going to jail. They have investigated all 3 guys for almost a year and nothing substantial has come out. Were there some things here and there? Yes, but is that enough to indict them and set up jail time? No, because these accusations are not serious enough for any of that. I can see a fine, but that would be the most that would come out of this. There is far more, and serious (national security information), charges with Hillary that she should go to jail for. There's even enough information that an investigation should be launched on the DNC.

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MTAtech said:

Your claim, essentially is, that advertising and publicity have no effect on human behavior -- an idea that all the Madison Avenue advertising agencies would violently dispute. The idea that the massive assault on HRC's character from a hostile foreign government who wanted Trump to win (I wonder why) couldn't possibly have changed the few voters needed in key states, requires a lot of grains of salt to believe.

The second point is that even if the misinformation campaign was completely ineffective, the fact (to be proven) that Trump and his campaign conspired with a foreign government to receive help is a crime on its own, regardless of whether it worked.

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Waddy said:

I'm sure Russia did try to influence American public opinion. We spent over a billion dollars to get Boris Yeltsin elected in Russia. We've interfered in over 180 elections in foreign countries over the past few decades. We've even assassinated and/or tried to assassinate foreign leaders. We forcibly replace a democratically elected leader in Iran with the Shah. We tried to assassinate Castro several times. Now we're shocked, shocked, that another country would dare to try influence our elections !!!!!! Isn't that the job of big donors and lobbyists?

BTW; why aren't we so upset about the Israelis and Saudis doing the same thing?

Hmmmm, I seem to remember one President Obama trying to influence the Brexit vote.

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GDViking said:

We are not angry they tried, we are angry the succeeded, and not only that, they had the help of the con artist occupying the office.

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Waddy said:

So you have evidence they tampered with voting machines, and Donald Trump cooperated with them? I'm confused; when you refer to con artist I always think you mean Obama. He's the biggest con man I ever saw.

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GDViking said:

Oh you are so very correct. You are confused. If you think Obama was a con artist.and trump is not you are VERY VERY CONFUSED. But that's understandable as most people who have been conned are confused. There is bope however, you can join tbe world of the sane. Just think back to wben you realized that Santa wasn't real. Oops I hope I didn't burst another bubble for you but realty is fun, you should try it...

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GDViking said:

You are only regurgitating fake news the only thing true in that whole ramble is that Bernie got screwed. As thi thread is not about Clinton ( as hard as you try to make it so) I'll get back on track.

One year in an investigation like this is nothing. It took them two years to find some stains on a blue dress. This is far more complicated and goes back at last ten years. I saw a time line that connects trump to Russian mafia going back to 79.

Manfort has already been informed he will be indicted, the others are just a matter of time. This is actually moving far faster than I anticipated.

Maybe when we impeach this trader we can move on and make America not under Russian control again!

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JANFU said:

Bottom line is being truthful. Using 70 EC votes or such hides the facts that he barely won in 4 States and of those won 3 by approx 70 K votes. Stein in one of those Sates had approx 25 K votes, where Trump won by approx 22K
So he won, by a sliver of a thin hair.

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