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Collins to vote 'no' on Graham-Cassidy bill, likely killing latest Obamacare repeal

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poweRob said:
Absolutely. And they know it. Which is why they tried passing a retroactive one that would pass now but implement after the election. GOP has a couple moderates at most and the others that vote no will be the sacrificial lambs to protect them from actually passing it.
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That was exactly my thought for the Skinny Repeal failure.

McCain fell on his sword, him being the most expendable. Pretty macabre though, if true.
 
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Verax said:
This, along with every other failed bill is a massive endorsement of the ACA. What it means is Republicans couldn't come up with something better that was palatable to the American people as well as to Republican politicians.
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And just think: The GOP have chipped and beaten it in every way possible for 8 years! Imagine if it had been refined and nurtured for all those years? Even though I don't like it due to its keeping for-profit insurance, it might be pretty good by now if treated with TLC.
 
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Renae said:
RINO votes to keep big government program in place... Next we'll hear about how the day sky is Blue and at night, it's dark. Over to you tim in Sports.
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"RINO", everyone drink!
 
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Actually now that I think about step one has to be for the gop and trump to stop sabotaging heath care and start funding it.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
My thoughts?

The GOP needs to get their s*** together or they will rightly earn the reputation as the Party of Fail.

They've been promising action over the last 8 years on every issue the President campaigned for (except a "wall"), and they haven't cooperated on a single piece of promised legislation since his inauguration.

WTH have they been doing all that time? Why aren't they able to work together even when they finally control all the government mechanisms necessary to achieve every promise?

This isn't Trump's fault, although some will blame him for promises he clearly made based on the GOP's claims that they already had legislation locked and loaded.

Nope, the GOP has a rubber stamp President eager to demonstrate success, and they're the one's who've dropped the ball. Go figure. :doh
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Trump has to share the blame. He promised it and failed to deliver. He could have done much more to tailor the bill and work towards passage. Blaming the fact that republicans are not a hive mind, all thinking exactly the same is kinda a lame ****ing argument. Trump is not the only one at fault for the bill not passing, but he is one of those at fault.

So, are republicans getting tired of winning yet?:2razz:
 
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Oddly enough though, TrumpCare's failure does feel like it made America a tiny bit greater tonight! :2razz:
 
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GDViking said:
Well good, now they can sit down with democrats and do there damn job.

Step one bring in experts and get a list of things that need to be changed. The ACA is a good foundation and frame now it's time to finish it.
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No amount of fixing will do any good unless young healthy people sign up for the ACA. There needs to be a sufficient number of people paying into the system that aren't using it (or at least not using it often) .It seems that a lot of young people don't see value in health insurance because they don't need it now.. That's an unfortunate short-sighted view. Almost everyone will need health insurance eventually, and it requires a steady stream of people funding the system to remain viable in the long term.
 
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GDViking said:
Actually now that I think about step one has to be for the gop and trump to stop sabotaging heath care and start funding it.
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Hmm... The problem is that health care costs are to high - the solution is to spend more on health care.
 
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GDViking said:
Well good, now they can sit down with democrats and do there damn job.

Step one bring in experts and get a list of things that need to be changed. The ACA is a good foundation and frame now it's time to finish it.
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You mean cave in to the enemy and bring us total government control of healthcare? No thank you. I want the GOP to get rid of these RINOs, elect some real Conservatives and shove Obamacare right up his skinny ass where it belongs.
 
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Helix said:
i didn't want the Republican supermajority in my state to be able to rescind the preexisting condition protection and make my life more difficult in other ways, so if this bill fails, good.
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The thing is, with all the uncertainty, the potential to withdraw payments to insurance companies(which Trump has threatened), not enforcing the mandate, all those could really collapse the market. At some point we need a real solution longterm. Not this bill for sure, and by preference something bipartisan, but something has to give or "we the people" will be the ones screwed.
 
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Redress said:
The thing is, with all the uncertainty, the potential to withdraw payments to insurance companies(which Trump has threatened), not enforcing the mandate, all those could really collapse the market. At some point we need a real solution longterm. Not this bill for sure, and by preference something bipartisan, but something has to give or "we the people" will be the ones screwed.
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we do need a real solution, and we can probably find that solution by looking at what most other first world countries are doing to address the problem. however, i definitely don't support the current proposal.
 
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MrPeanut said:
When are they cranking the next one out? They can have someone draft it over lunch.
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Not like anybody's going to read it anyway. They could fill the draft with 48 verses of "I'm 'Enry the 8th, I am," and no one would even know.
 
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rocket88 said:
Consider that when you vote
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And my alternative is what?
 
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poweRob said:
Same. The only upside to it failing is it would be the demise of the modern republican party for a looooooonnnng time once relatives start being denied healthcare due to $'s.

Con's don't seem to see any light until that light hits them directly at home unfortunately.
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I've actually heard people saying that they voted for Trump because they thought he cared for them, and would do right by them, and "get rid of the Messicans."

0 for 3 and they are actually shocked. "But -- but -- he promised! That's why we voted for him!"

I have little pity for people like that. It's not like they weren't warned, repeatedly.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm... The problem is that health care costs are to high - the solution is to spend more on health care.
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No, the solution involves killing some golden geese, and with them, a lot of high paying (useless) jobs. Won't happen...
 
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Helix said:
i didn't want the Republican supermajority in my state to be able to rescind the preexisting condition protection and make my life more difficult in other ways, so if this bill fails, good.
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Same. The pre-existing condition protection should be mandatory, no ridiculous lifetime caps and I personally love how my 19 and 18 year olds can stay on my policy until they are 26.
 
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Superfly said:
Same. The pre-existing condition protection should be mandatory, no ridiculous lifetime caps and I personally love how my 19 and 18 year olds can stay on my policy until they are 26.
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So as a typical leftoid, you want your kids to be government dependents their whole lives?
 
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<alt>doxygen said:
No, the solution involves killing some golden geese, and with them, a lot of high paying (useless) jobs. Won't happen...
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I agree but that is the way of congress critters - campaign cash, to maintain a re-election rate of over 90%, is the ultimate goal.
 
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Bassman said:
So as a typical leftoid, you want your kids to be government dependents their whole lives?
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Leftoid? :lol: How long did it take to come up with that one? Genius. Sheer genius.

To answer your question, I'd love for my children to be able to stay on my insurance as long as they ****ing can. That's just the parent in me. At least until they finish college, and can afford it on their own. As it is, insurance is expensive as hell, and not a monkey I'd like put on the back of a college freshman.
 
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Superfly said:
Same. The pre-existing condition protection should be mandatory, no ridiculous lifetime caps and I personally love how my 19 and 18 year olds can stay on my policy until they are 26.
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yeah, i work with some kids who are still on their parents' plans, and i think that it's good that they can do that.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
I am more interested to see how the Republican Party reacts when it's big money donors stop funding their reelection campaigns
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Question: why do big money donors care if people have government health care. Old people do, poor people do, vets do, government employees do, and if they have big money, they certainly do. What's their problem?
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Collins to vote 'no' on Graham-Cassidy bill halting Obamacare repeal - CNNPolitics

Thoughts?
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With the majority of Americans at the moment against the Republicans attempts to repeal and replace, Collins, Paul, McCain, Murkowski are probably saving them from themselves. It is said those who do not learn from history will repeat its same mistakes. I think all one has to look back to is 2009 and 2010 when the Democrats passed the ACA against the majority of Americans wishes and look at what happened to them in the midterms of 2010.

Sometimes it is best to listen to what the American want. I don't know if this failure will allow the GOP to retain control of the House or not. That isn't look too good at the moment. But I do think passage of this would certainly guarantee Democratic take over.

Time will tell, there is way too many things going against the Republicans at this time. From trumps very low approval, to the generic congressional poll, to party affiliation and identification, to having the country on the wrong track, to the Democrats being viewed more positively than the Republican Party, and on and on. I would say most Americans aren't happy with the Republicans at the moment. It's not that they love the Democrats, they don't. It's just they dislike the Democrats less than the Republicans. Mostly due to Trump, I think.
 
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Helix said:
yeah, i work with some kids who are still on their parents' plans, and i think that it's good that they can do that.
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Same, same. That's the main thing for me. Let kids be covered until they are financially able to cover the premiums on their own which is usually after college, when they get their first "real" job. Probably why the thing runs for kids 'til 26.
 
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