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McCain Announces Opposition To Obamacare Repeal Bill, Possibly Dooming It

lmao, McCain continues to be the thorn on Trump's side. Hilarious!
 
notquiteright said:
Yeah he has, from before most in here were a glean in their mother's eye. The far right has changed to definition of 'true republican' so even Attila the Hun seems like a 'librul'... :peace
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You have to understand that in today's GOP, "true Republican" means kissing Donald Trump's ass. If you dare oppose or disagree with the new right wing messiah, you are automatically a traitor in the eyes of the Republican voter. Just ask Ted Cruz who last July didn't endorse Trump at the GOP Convention, and was absolutely thrashed by GOP voters. He then had no choice but to endorse him two months later...to save his political career.
 
i'm glad that McCain opposes this bill.
 
Puigb said:
You have to understand that in today's GOP, "true Republican" means kissing Donald Trump's ass. If you dare oppose or disagree with the new right wing messiah, you are automatically a traitor in the eyes of the Republican voter. Just ask Ted Cruz who last July didn't endorse Trump at the GOP Convention, and was absolutely thrashed by GOP voters. He then had no choice but to endorse him two months later...to save his political career.
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'True Republicans' have tanked Oklahoma's once stable economy. Unlike North Dakota we refused to cash in on the drill baby drill and allowed big oil to suck our state dry for pennies and cause a series of earthquakes... :roll:

'True Republicans' -screwing you since '82... :peace
 
azgreg said:
News flash! Premiums will rise in 2018 regardless of what insurance law is in place.
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Either way premiums will rise - but now people with preexisting conditions will be covered.

American said:
Rand Paul and McCain have nothing in common. McCain just wants to be an asshole.
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Yeah - that's what I love about McCain - he doesn't give a **** about anyone's opinion. Now that he has cancer, he's back to what he once was - one of few politicians who spoke truth to power.

MaggieD said:
He has a point. The Right didn't like it when the Reps weren't given input for Obamacare. What goes around comes around. What a debacle.
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In June and July 2009, with Democrats in charge, the Senate health committee spent nearly 60 hours over 13 days marking up the bill that became the Affordable Care Act. That September and October, the Senate Finance Committee worked on the legislation for eight days — its longest markup in two decades. It considered more than 130 amendments and held 79 roll-call votes. The full Senate debated the health care bill for 25 straight days before passing it on Dec. 24, 2009.


Media_Truth said:
I don't know if I'd call it compromise, as much as a "caving in to the powerful Insurance lobby".
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Fenton said:
The Fed Govt basically took over the health insurance industry under the ACA

The Govt dictated coverage, risk and prices.
They removed market fundamentals and insertedhealthcare arbitrary rules and actually thought it would lead to affordable coverage and better access to healthcare

What it led to was Insurers losing billions on the exchanges and premiums and deductibles so high that buying a policy was pointless.

The insurance industry was stable and profitable offering policies with premiums and deductibles that were a fraction of what they are today for decades and then Govt stuck its nose where it doesnt belong
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HARTFORD, Conn.–(BUSINESS WIRE)–Aetna (NYSE: AET) announced fourth-quarter 2016 net income(1) of $139 million, or $0.39 per share. Full-year 2016 net income was $2.3 billion, or $6.41 per share. Operating earnings(2) for fourth-quarter 2016 were $578 million, or $1.63 per share. Full-year 2016 operating earnings were $2.9 billion, or $8.23 per share.

Full-year 2016 net income was $2.3 billion, or $6.41 per share. Operating earnings(2) for fourth-quarter 2016 were $578 million, or $1.63 per share. Full-year 2016 operating earnings were $2.9 billion, or $8.23 per share. https://news.aetna.com/news-releases/aetna-reports-fourth-quarter-and-full-year-2016-results/


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UNITEDHEALTH GROUP REPORTS 2016
Investors: Brett Manderfeld John S.
Penshorn

RESULTS HIGHLIGHTED BY CONTINUED STRONG AND DIVERSIFIED GROWTH
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Revenues Grew 18% Year to $185 Billion
 
MaggieD said:
He has a point. The Right didn't like it when the Reps weren't given input for Obamacare. What goes around comes around. What a debacle.
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THEY GAVE
OVER A HUNDRED
ADMENDMENTS

They were famously involved in TONS OF MEETINGS. Gang of six they kept calling it.

The "Dems went it alone" nonsense was straight up propaganda.
 
Angelus said:
Either way premiums will rise - but now people with preexisting conditions will be covered.



Yeah - that's what I love about McCain - he doesn't give a **** about anyone's opinion. Now that he has cancer, he's back to what he once was - one of few politicians who spoke truth to power.



In June and July 2009, with Democrats in charge, the Senate health committee spent nearly 60 hours over 13 days marking up the bill that became the Affordable Care Act. That September and October, the Senate Finance Committee worked on the legislation for eight days — its longest markup in two decades. It considered more than 130 amendments and held 79 roll-call votes. The full Senate debated the health care bill for 25 straight days before passing it on Dec. 24, 2009.






HARTFORD, Conn.–(BUSINESS WIRE)–Aetna (NYSE: AET) announced fourth-quarter 2016 net income(1) of $139 million, or $0.39 per share. Full-year 2016 net income was $2.3 billion, or $6.41 per share. Operating earnings(2) for fourth-quarter 2016 were $578 million, or $1.63 per share. Full-year 2016 operating earnings were $2.9 billion, or $8.23 per share.

Full-year 2016 net income was $2.3 billion, or $6.41 per share. Operating earnings(2) for fourth-quarter 2016 were $578 million, or $1.63 per share. Full-year 2016 operating earnings were $2.9 billion, or $8.23 per share. https://news.aetna.com/news-releases/aetna-reports-fourth-quarter-and-full-year-2016-results/


N E W S R E L E A S E
UNITEDHEALTH GROUP REPORTS 2016
Investors: Brett Manderfeld John S.
Penshorn

RESULTS HIGHLIGHTED BY CONTINUED STRONG AND DIVERSIFIED GROWTH
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Revenues Grew 18% Year to $185 Billion
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So covering people with pre-existing conditions was the primary goal of ObamaCare and as long as theyre covered everything else can be justified ?

I could of sworn it had to do with making healthcare more affordable. Affordable is in the tittle of the law and everything

Was it the plan all along for the co-ops to fail sticking the the tax payers with a 1.8 billion dollar bill ? For states to waste hundreds of millions of dollars settibg up exchanges that never worked ?

The risk corridors going bankrupt and the exchanges collapsing ? That was all part of the plan too ?

And if the ACA is so profitable why are insurers bailing leaving 1/3 of US counties with only one insurer ?

There's under 10 million people buying policies on the exchanges as premiums and deductibles continue to rise keeping even more young healthy Americans from participating

McCain's a hack who for whatever reason has no problem with a law thats imploding and thats wasted billions of tax payer dollars and continue to nails the middle class
 
Deuce said:
THEY GAVE
OVER A HUNDRED
ADMENDMENTS

They were famously involved in TONS OF MEETINGS. Gang of six they kept calling it.

The "Dems went it alone" nonsense was straight up propaganda.
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Name one GOP politician that voted for it, just one
 
Puigb said:
lmao, McCain continues to be the thorn on Trump's side. Hilarious!
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Lmao ! ObamaCare conitnues to be the thorn in the Democrats side.

ObamaCare, Democrat repellant since 2010
 
Fenton said:
Lmao ! ObamaCare conitnues to be the thorn in the Democrats side.

ObamaCare, Democrat repellant since 2010
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The system prior to the ACA was BROKEN big time - Subsidized Emergency Room Care for the Uninsured. Health Insurance premiums skyrocketed for 40+ years. The ACA certainly has it's problems, but it was a compromise, and it's relatively new. It certainly hasn't been around for 40 years. It was originally supposed to be Single Payer, which is where this country needs to go. The Dems and Republicans are caving into the powerful Insurance Lobby. It's admirable that Sanders continues to hold his ground.
 
Fenton said:
Lmao ! ObamaCare conitnues to be the thorn in the Democrats side.

ObamaCare, Democrat repellant since 2010
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Public health care a thorn in the side of Republicans since... Well since forever...

Typical trumpster, all criticism and no ideas.
 
As with the "thumbs down" BCRA skinny vote, Cassidy-Graham also violates McCain's stated principles regarding healthcare legislation ... bipartisanship, Congressional debate, and public (town hall meetings) debate. In addition, every major healthcare provider and every major medical/physicians organization opposed this bill.

McCain remained true to his stated principles and didn't cave-in to GOP party pressure or allow his close lifelong friendship with Sen. Lindsay Graham to influence his decision.

Gotta admire such strength of conviction.
 
GDViking said:
Public health care a thorn in the side of Republicans since... Well since forever...

Typical trumpster, all criticism and no ideas.
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We're dealing with the consequences of the '' ideas '' from the Left and the Democratic party has suffered the political consequences of those ideas since 2010.

But people like you STILL defend the ACA to this day.

When it comes to new ideas on Healthcare, the party and people who brought us this mess, are the last be people that should be consulted.
 
Rogue Valley said:
As with the "thumbs down" BCRA skinny vote, Cassidy-Graham also violates McCain's stated principles regarding healthcare legislation ... bipartisanship, Congressional debate, and public (town hall meetings) debate. In addition, every major healthcare provider and every major medical/physicians organization opposed this bill.

McCain remained true to his stated principles and didn't cave-in to GOP party pressure or allow his close lifelong friendship with Sen. Lindsay Graham to influence his decision.

Gotta admire such strength of conviction.
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Premiums are shooting up again next year by at least 30 percent in some States.

More Health insurers are pulling out of the collapsing exchanes and the ACA is still imploding, driving up healthcare cost and hurting 10s of millions of har working Americans

There's nothing admirable about what McCain did.
 
Fenton said:
Premiums are shooting up again next year by at least 30 percent in some States.

More Health insurers are pulling out of the collapsing exchanes and the ACA is still imploding, driving up healthcare cost and hurting 10s of millions of har working Americans
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https://www.debatepolitics.com/obam...e-sabotage-huge-cuts-enrollment-programs.html

Fenton said:
There's nothing admirable about what McCain did.
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Far more principle than The Donald. Trump would sign anything the GOP put before him - no matter how rotten the legislation - simply to claim a political win.

Look everybody! I have a win! I am the bestest prescident ever! Hey, don't read what I just signed! Take my word for it! The best healthcare plan ever!!
 
Rogue Valley said:
https://www.debatepolitics.com/obam...e-sabotage-huge-cuts-enrollment-programs.html



Far more principle than The Donald. Trump would sign anything the GOP put before him - no matter how rotten the legislation - simply to claim a political win.

Look everybody! I have a win! I am the bestest prescident ever! Hey, don't read what I just signed! Take my word for it! The best healthcare plan ever!!
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Trump sabotaged premiums even when Obama was president ?? How in the hell did he pull that off ??
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Obama administration warns of double digit premium increases...
Obama Admin: Obamacare Premiums Increase Double Digits Next Year
 
Fenton said:
Trump sabotaged premiums even when Obama was president ?? How in the hell did he pull that off ??
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Trump has been sabotaging Obamacare since January 20. Where ya been? Oh yeah, defending trumps support for the GOP AHCA, BCRA, skinny BCRA, and now.... TaDa.... Cassidy-Graham.


Federal Subsidies for Health Insurance Coverage for People Under Age 65 - Congressional Budget Office


Trump wanted to hurt the Obamacare markets. The CBO says he's a success.


CBO: Obamacare Premiums Are Rising — and Trump Is to Blame


Under Trump, Obamacare outreach groups face budget cuts as high as 98%
 
Rogue Valley said:
Trump has been sabotaging Obamacare since January 20. Where ya been? Oh yeah, defending trumps support for the GOP AHCA, BCRA, skinny BCRA, and now.... TaDa.... Cassidy-Graham.


Federal Subsidies for Health Insurance Coverage for People Under Age 65 - Congressional Budget Office


Trump wanted to hurt the Obamacare markets. The CBO says he's a success.


CBO: Obamacare Premiums Are Rising — and Trump Is to Blame


Under Trump, Obamacare outreach groups face budget cuts as high as 98%
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Trump is sabotaging the program, even though it is the current law of the land. Pathetic. Actually - it's criminal!
 
Representatives of every part of the health care industry, from insurance to pharmaceuticals to doctors, says this plan is a bad idea. Republicans are saying the house is on fire, and even if that's true they're holding a can of gasoline screaming we have to do this.

When Democrats point out gasoline makes fire worse, the response? BUT BUT BUT THE HOUSE IS ON FIRE

Gasoline is bad for firefighting!

Then the Republicans say ok ok ok. They set down the gasoline. Run off and come back from the shed with a bigger ****ing can of gasoline.

Process repeats. We're on what, the fourth slightly different can now?
 
Media_Truth said:
Donald Trump quote:

A friend of mine was in Scotland recently. He got very, very sick. They took him by ambulance and he was there for four days. He was really in trouble, and they released him, and he said, "Where do I pay?" And they said, "There's no charge." Not only that, he said it was like great doctors, great care. I mean we could have a great system in this country.
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Uh huh, and you believe when you can play gotcha, but other wise he's a liar.
 
Chomsky said:
With Collins (R-Maine) being highly unlikely, it would seem this thing is likely finished.
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Maybe maybe not.

It all depends what transpires on the Senate floor this week.

Rand Paul was a no first of last week but said he would vote for it if they would change the amount of block grant money to the states to pre Obamacare.

Ted Cruz tweeted out this weekend he is not a sure vote unless they eliminate more of the Obamacare mandates.

There's still a lot of sausage to be made. Maybe they will get there and maybe they won't. But Republican governors as well as representatives and senators know if something isn't done this week then they will be blamed when everyone's premiums sky rocket which they are going to. Insurance companies can not function when people would rather pay the penalty for not having insurance and then only purchase it when they become sick and that is why they are dropping out one by one.
 
American said:
Uh huh, and you believe when you can play gotcha, but other wise he's a liar.
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He is a pathological liar. And he certainly isn't going to follow up on his Single-Payer claims, which he has voiced support on 6 different occasions.
 
GOP senators holding out.

Revised bill appears. Guess which states got their block grants bumped up?

Naked bribe attempt from the GOP, and not a peep from right wingers
 
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