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McCain Announces Opposition To Obamacare Repeal Bill, Possibly Dooming It

Media_Truth said:
Looks like McCain is at it again. This time he's not alone. Rand Paul is also opposing the ACA Repeal Bill.

John McCain Announces Opposition To Obamacare Repeal Bill, Possibly Dooming It : NPR
"I cannot in good conscience vote for the Graham-Cassidy proposal. I believe we could do better working together, Republicans and Democrats, and have not yet really tried," McCain said in a statement posted on his website.
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Rand Paul and McCain have nothing in common. McCain just wants to be an asshole.
 
Media_Truth said:
I think he could win some Dems over, if he started endorsing Sander's Single Payer bill. On six different occasions, he has spoken up in favor of Single Payer.
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Frankly I oppose govt healthcare insurance of any kind. You're dreaming if you think you'll ever see single payer come out of Trump. I don't care what you heard.
 
graeme104 said:
Even as a Republican I'm glad about this. People shouldn't have to pay through the nose for healthcare, which is how it was before Obamacare. And pre-existing condition should be kept. However, I oppose single-payer because there's no way we'd be able to get enough money for it. We need to find a middle-ground, something we as Republicans have been unable to do by ourselves.
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The ACA was the " middleground " and its imploding. Democrats compromised because they knew they couldn't sell Single payer and instead, allowed the Feds to centrally run and centrally plan the health insurance industry.
 
Fenton said:
:lamo

2016.....

Aetna Joins Other Major Insurers In Pulling Back From Obamacare
Aetna Joins Other Major Insurers In Pulling Back From Obamacare : Shots - Health News : NPR
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Aetna slapped with shareholder lawsuit over ACA exchange exits - Modern Healthcare Modern Healthcare business news, research, data and events

"The real reason that Aetna withdrew from the exchanges was to retaliate against the government for its attempt to block the Aetna-Humana merger and, moreover, the public exchanges in multiple states from which Aetna withdrew were actually profitable for the company," the complaint said.
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Goshin said:
I don't much care. I've looked into ACA and it kinda sucks, but then so does most private insurance.


Mainly I want to keep the thing about insurers having to cover previously existing conditions. Just because I change insurance companies or something, I shouldn't suddenly find my condition to be not-covered.
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You say you've looked into the ACA and that it sucks, but "so does private insurance."

The ACA isn't an insurance plan. I don't think you've looked very well.

The problem with pre-existing conditions is that they're expensive. They make someone a guaranteed unprofitable customer. So, to take them on we basically have to bribe insurance companies. The ACA did this via the part of the bill nobody likes: the mandate.

What would you do, without the mandate, to make insurance companies stay solvent while taking on expensive customers?
 
Deuce said:
You say you've looked into the ACA and that it sucks, but "so does private insurance."

The ACA isn't an insurance plan. I don't think you've looked very well.

The problem with pre-existing conditions is that they're expensive. They make someone a guaranteed unprofitable customer. So, to take them on we basically have to bribe insurance companies. The ACA did this via the part of the bill nobody likes: the mandate.

What would you do, without the mandate, to make insurance companies stay solvent while taking on expensive customers?
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**** if I know. Not my field of expertise.
 
Goshin said:
**** if I know. Not my field of expertise.
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Nobody knows. That's why in spite of its enormous unpopularity it remains in place. So if you like protections for preexisting conditions and don't want to do single payer, then the mandate it is.
 
Media_Truth said:
Looks like McCain is at it again. This time he's not alone. Rand Paul is also opposing the ACA Repeal Bill.

John McCain Announces Opposition To Obamacare Repeal Bill, Possibly Dooming It : NPR
"I cannot in good conscience vote for the Graham-Cassidy proposal. I believe we could do better working together, Republicans and Democrats, and have not yet really tried," McCain said in a statement posted on his website.
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He has a point. The Right didn't like it when the Reps weren't given input for Obamacare. What goes around comes around. What a debacle.
 
Cardinal said:
Nobody knows. That's why in spite of its enormous unpopularity it remains in place. So if you like protections for preexisting conditions and don't want to do single payer, then the mandate it is.
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I can live with it I suppose. Nothing they do is going to suit everyone. I do hate the idea of people being forced to choose between having some necessary surgery or treatment, and the risk of losing everything they own due to the cost of it.

Seems to me getting costs under control ought to be an issue. But as I said, not my field of expertise.
 
American said:
Frankly I oppose govt healthcare insurance of any kind. You're dreaming if you think you'll ever see single payer come out of Trump. I don't care what you heard.
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Donald Trump quote:

A friend of mine was in Scotland recently. He got very, very sick. They took him by ambulance and he was there for four days. He was really in trouble, and they released him, and he said, "Where do I pay?" And they said, "There's no charge." Not only that, he said it was like great doctors, great care. I mean we could have a great system in this country.
 
Media_Truth said:
Donald Trump quote:

A friend of mine was in Scotland recently. He got very, very sick. They took him by ambulance and he was there for four days. He was really in trouble, and they released him, and he said, "Where do I pay?" And they said, "There's no charge." Not only that, he said it was like great doctors, great care. I mean we could have a great system in this country.
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Lets hope he learned the error of his ways.
Given his speech at the UN and his comments on Socialism it sounds like he has.
 
Fenton said:
The ACA was the " middleground " and its imploding. Democrats compromised because they knew they couldn't sell Single payer and instead, allowed the Feds to centrally run and centrally plan the health insurance industry.
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I don't know if I'd call it compromise, as much as a "caving in to the powerful Insurance lobby".
 
Fenton said:
Lets hope he learned the error of his ways.
Given his speech at the UN and his comments on Socialism it sounds like he has.
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He's baiting you, and waiting for the right moment.
 
HowardBThiname said:
McCain hasn't been a true Republican for a long time.
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Yeah he has, from before most in here were a glean in their mother's eye. The far right has changed to definition of 'true republican' so even Attila the Hun seems like a 'librul'... :peace
 
j-mac said:
In today's democrat party Kennedy would be a fascist.
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Yeah, and 100 years before, in the same party, he'd probably be labelled a lover of blacks and hater of white men. Today, there are Republicans who believe that blacks have rights which whites do not. If a Republican had done that during JFK's time, he'd be called a racist. Then again, there were a large number of Democrats arguing exactly that during JFK's time. History works in funny ways, parties don't always aline to the people leading them, we find the common ground in what these people were fighting against. JFK's policies attempted to give rights the benefits they deserved. Today, one side marches along with admitted Nazis and gets called 'fine people'.
 
Media_Truth said:
Looks like McCain is at it again. This time he's not alone. Rand Paul is also opposing the ACA Repeal Bill.

John McCain Announces Opposition To Obamacare Repeal Bill, Possibly Dooming It : NPR
"I cannot in good conscience vote for the Graham-Cassidy proposal. I believe we could do better working together, Republicans and Democrats, and have not yet really tried," McCain said in a statement posted on his website.
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Is this a surprise to anybody?

It doesn't surprise me. I called it when this latest "attempt" was started.
 
Media_Truth said:
I don't know if I'd call it compromise, as much as a "caving in to the powerful Insurance lobby".
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The Fed Govt basically took over the health insurance industry under the ACA

The Govt dictated coverage, risk and prices.
They removed market fundamentals and insertedhealthcare arbitrary rules and actually thought it would lead to affordable coverage and better access to healthcare

What it led to was Insurers losing billions on the exchanges and premiums and deductibles so high that buying a policy was pointless.

The insurance industry was stable and profitable offering policies with premiums and deductibles that were a fraction of what they are today for decades and then Govt stuck its nose where it doesnt belong
 
Fenton said:
The Fed Govt basically took over the health insurance industry under the ACA

The Govt dictated coverage, risk and prices.
They removed market fundamentals and insertedhealthcare arbitrary rules and actually thought it would lead to affordable coverage and better access to healthcare

What it led to was Insurers losing billions on the exchanges and premiums and deductibles so high that buying a policy was pointless.

The insurance industry was stable and profitable offering policies with premiums and deductibles that were a fraction of what they are today for decades and then Govt stuck its nose where it doesnt belong
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Your fetish for the insurance industry is not shared by all. My daughter worked in the industry, became VP of a corporation, and left it all behind to become a teacher, "because it is an extremely immoral business". Premiums have been rising at very high rates for the last 40 years. The system before the ACA, "Subsidized Emergency Room Care for the Uninsured", was extremely BROKEN.
 
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