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Paper ballots are back in vogue thanks to Russian hacking fears

Cardinal said:
Back to analogue, baby.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech...-states-to-switch-to-paper-ballots/666020001/

Regardless of what you thought about Jill Stein wanting a recount (she was full of ****, btw), there was one problem that would have been cause for concern for any politically removed observer: even if she had been allowed to go through with the recount, she still wouldn't have been able to. There were some states that used computer voting, which meant that if they had been hacked, there wouldn't have been a foolproof way to determine if the existence or the extent of the vote tampering. In fact, one state (if I recall it was Pennsylvania) specifically stated that the only way to recount the votes would have been to run the same program that counted the votes in the first place. If vote hacking had genuinely occurred, recounting the votes in this way would have been analogous to OJ Simpson carrying out his own investigation and concluding that, yep, he's still innocent.

Until we find a way to realistically protect our voting system, the conclusion is simple: we're not ready for electronic voting.
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Is there an allegation now that the voting machines were hacked?

When did this come up?
 
The Mark said:
There has to be a way to combine computerized voting systems and security that cannot be breached without alerting everyone.

It might require offline voting machines and seals which are obvious if broken.
Perhaps even hardcopy records to be sure.

Be nice if someone could set up a secure voting system accessible as a website or something though.
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Isn't that the situation right now?

When did this become a concern?
 
According to the Liar in Chief, there is no proof of Russian interference. Im still waiting for the proof that thousands of illegal voters from Mass made there way to NH
last Nov. The idiot will believe that, but not the Russian interference, what a twit, or is it a tweet.
 
The Mark said:
There has to be a way to combine computerized voting systems and security that cannot be breached without alerting everyone.

It might require offline voting machines and seals which are obvious if broken.
Perhaps even hardcopy records to be sure.

Be nice if someone could set up a secure voting system accessible as a website or something though.
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What about both?

In my businesses I keep track of data electronically and I have paper version.
 
Thing is there was never really a decent reason to not use paper ballets.

The geniuses who attempt and too often fall to run things correctly would prefer that you dont get that far in your thinking.
 
The Mark said:
There has to be a way to combine computerized voting systems and security that cannot be breached without alerting everyone.

It might require offline voting machines and seals which are obvious if broken.
Perhaps even hardcopy records to be sure.

Be nice if someone could set up a secure voting system accessible as a website or something though.
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There was no way to hack the machines unless you could work On them in person.
None of the machines were connected to the internet.

It was a closed network system.

We use scan tron forms.
 
Cardinal said:
Back to analogue, baby.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech...-states-to-switch-to-paper-ballots/666020001/

Regardless of what you thought about Jill Stein wanting a recount (she was full of ****, btw), there was one problem that would have been cause for concern for any politically removed observer: even if she had been allowed to go through with the recount, she still wouldn't have been able to. There were some states that used computer voting, which meant that if they had been hacked, there wouldn't have been a foolproof way to determine if the existence or the extent of the vote tampering. In fact, one state (if I recall it was Pennsylvania) specifically stated that the only way to recount the votes would have been to run the same program that counted the votes in the first place. If vote hacking had genuinely occurred, recounting the votes in this way would have been analogous to OJ Simpson carrying out his own investigation and concluding that, yep, he's still innocent.

Until we find a way to realistically protect our voting system, the conclusion is simple: we're not ready for electronic voting.
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I agree with you 100%.
Let us also instigate the dipping of the finger in ink.
That would make it harder for someone to get back in line after voting once.
It would not be completely foolproof, but I think it might help.
 
i also prefer paper ballots. at least someone has to physically steal or tamper with it. my electronic vote could go straight down the memory hole, though i doubt that this has happened to me yet.
 
I do not fear the Russian's hacking our voting machines any more than I fear the 2 parties doing the same.

What the Russian's are hacking are American minds.

When America was tuning in to Walter Cronkite, and television reporting was dependable and integrity as the measuring stick, the Russian's were mastering the art of propaganda. We were taught much about this as students, back during the cold war. Of course, it could be argued that the literature our teacher's were indoctrinating upon us regarding Russian propaganda might have been considered propaganda, as well. There WAS a strong push upon Americans to believe that all things Russian are bad. McCarthyism. Commie scares. Air raid drills. Etc.....

I am certain that all that BS propaganda that was created, and picked up and ran with, influenced many an American mind. A LOT of American's live in a bumper-sticker, Two line talking point world. They were very willing to believe the propaganda and even pass the BS on down the line.

That is what I am more worried about coming from the Russians. However, after seeing first hand how successful and profitable that can be, I'm thinking that next election cycle there will be just as much BS propaganda introduced from American sources as there will be from Russian sources.

I think that has a LOT to do with the situation he currently find ourselves in.
 
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