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Mueller Seeks White House Documents Related to Trump’s Actions as President

trouble13 said:
So for instance you support bringing clapper up on charges for lying about trump being wire tapped

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I don't know anything about that allegation. But the law applies to all.
 
haymarket said:
How about to obstruct justice and further a criminal conspiracy?
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An investigation doesn't end because the head of the FBI gets canned, so firing him cant obstruct justice. And if he did it to further a criminal conspiracy, you would have to have proof of such a conspiracy. Comey told him he wasn't under investigation so there was nothing to obstruct.
 
Grand Mal said:
In Flynn's case, I'm convinced Trump told him to call the Russian ambassador the day Obama announced sanctions against Russia, and told him to keep it secret. That's why he, Flynn, lied to Pence about it.
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To be honest, I don't know exactly why Flynn was fired. I'm not buying the 'he lied to Pence' line. Even if Trump told him to contact the Russians, that's not a crime. Plus I am not sure that is something that could ever be proven
 
JANFU said:
Mueller Seeks White House Documents Related to Trump’s Actions as President

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/20/...eakingNews&contentID=65851468&pgtype=Homepage


Now wait for a tirade of Twitter tweets.
The Russian angle and who was present may provide more reasoning into the firing of Comey.
Mueller is moving faster and harder.
Note the warrants for Mantafort.
Wonder when Flynn will flip?
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He already tried to squeal in exchange for immunity. The FBI was like, "Nah, man. We good." :lol:
 
And now Manafort is working for the Kurds and their referendum to break away from Iraq, against the interests of the US.
 
Fletch said:
An investigation doesn't end because the head of the FBI gets canned, so firing him cant obstruct justice. And if he did it to further a criminal conspiracy, you would have to have proof of such a conspiracy. Comey told him he wasn't under investigation so there was nothing to obstruct.
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Doe the word INTENT mean anything to you?

Does the reality that you might now be the subject of an investigation on Monday but could be on Wednesday also mean anything to you?
 
Parrish said:
And now Manafort is working for the Kurds and their referendum to break away from Iraq, against the interests of the US.
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The Kurds deserve independence, regardless of whether it harms the US or not. They have proven a steadfast ally, we should be supporting them in that. But with the regional entanglements we have, it will hurt our policy. Long term, I think it would be in our best interests as it would provide a strong ally. Short term, its going to be a mess.
 
OpportunityCost said:
The Kurds deserve independence, regardless of whether it harms the US or not. They have proven a steadfast ally, we should be supporting them in that. But with the regional entanglements we have, it will hurt our policy. Long term, I think it would be in our best interests as it would provide a strong ally. Short term, its going to be a mess.
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I agree.
 
JANFU said:
None, yet Flynn now has a legal defense fund, will not accept funds from Trump or the campaign.
Flipping smaller fish, with a lower charge/sentence is often used to go after the larger ones. Is that correct?
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I have no idea, but you're awfully certain about things for someone with zero to go on.
 
haymarket said:
If the Russians crapped on your face would you laugh about that too because even a conservative like DIck Cheaney said this is an act of war and you laugh about it.
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No, I am laughing at your absurd post....[emoji38]

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j-mac said:
No, I am laughing at your absurd post....[emoji38]

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Outside of your belief as a die hard Trump follower - what makes it absurd in the eyes of the right wing?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
When one is building a case to put away the one who must be gotten the more the better!
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Mueller continues to add political hacks to his lawyer team.
The latest one was scolded by a Federal judge for ethic violations over obama's immigration plan.
She is yet another clinton supporter and big campaign donator to the democrat party.

where is the conflict of interest hmmm.
 
Fletch said:
To be honest, I don't know exactly why Flynn was fired. I'm not buying the 'he lied to Pence' line. Even if Trump told him to contact the Russians, that's not a crime. Plus I am not sure that is something that could ever be proven
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what i find funny is all the uproar over russia that these people clearly ignore that the clinton camp did the same exact thing only with the Ukrainians.
level of outrage? 0
 
ludin said:
Mueller continues to add political hacks to his lawyer team.
The latest one was scolded by a Federal judge for ethic violations over obama's immigration plan.
She is yet another clinton supporter and big campaign donator to the democrat party.

where is the conflict of interest hmmm.
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Mueller is a Republican. At last count, half of his team is made up of Republicans. He was appointed by a Republican...who works under a Republican...who was appointed a Republican.

I know it's all the rage to think exclusively in terms of Democrat vs Republican, but some people, like Mueller, are actually professionals.
 
Manc Skipper said:
The latest bunch of files requested should shed light on that and many other things. The net is closing and closing.
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Trump.has been a criminal associated with other criminals for a very long time. Do you really believe those documents still exist?
 
trouble13 said:
So for instance you support bringing clapper up on charges for lying about trump being wire tapped

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First trump was not wire trapped second even if he was why would you inform a criminal that he is under Investigation? Cops are allowed to lie...
 
Anthony60 said:
Not just 17 lawyers, 17 Democrat lawyers.
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Would you trust a Republican to investigate a Republican?

It took the Dems to bring down Nixon. And if Trump takes a fall, it will be solely due to the valiant efforts of the Dems and the Fourth Estate. It will surely have nothing to do with the Republicans, who at best stand idly by, and at worst obfuscate and obstruct.
 
Anthony60 said:
I think we need a Special Council to investigate the Special Council. Talk about abuse of power! He wants to investigate the Comey firing, he's going back a decade on Manafort, he hires a bunch of democrat lawyers. This guy needs to be canned, ASAP.
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He's going back 11 years, to the beginning Manafort's relationship with Putin.
 
GDViking said:
First trump was not wire trapped second even if he was why would you inform a criminal that he is under Investigation? Cops are allowed to lie...
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Under oath?

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Anthony60 said:
I think we need a Special Council to investigate the Special Council. Talk about abuse of power! He wants to investigate the Comey firing, he's going back a decade on Manafort, he hires a bunch of democrat lawyers. This guy needs to be canned, ASAP.
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Mueller is going to establish that Manafort (and maybe Flynn and maybe others) have long associations with the Russians, from which they derived great financial benefit. He needs to go back ten years to establish this, because that is how the Russians get to own someone: a little at a time over a long period. He is going to show us that these gentlemen were comprised to Russian interests, likely to the point they were owned by the Russians. He will then establish that Trump knew, or should have known, that these gentlemen were comprised and hence Trump comprised national security.

He may also establish that Trump also was owned by Russian interests AND/Or that the Trump campaign knowingly took favor from the Russians during the campaign. He may also establish the Kurshner was owned by Russian interests and tied into the web. Kushner will not be, in and of himself, key to this, but will show the pervasiveness of Russian influence.

Finally, what will be a slam dunk, Mueller will establish that Trump repeatedly obstructed justice, including (but not limited to), in his firing of Comey.

This will not end well for Trump. The major question is, however, whether the Republicans will do the right thing when the case is laid out. I don't think they really will have a choice.


ludin said:
what i find funny is all the uproar over russia that these people clearly ignore that the clinton camp did the same exact thing only with the Ukrainians.
level of outrage? 0
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Not even close to comparable....
 
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Fletch said:
I agree with that. Manafort and Flynn clearly were up to something. Not sure what. Both men had issues before Trump came along so I'm not convinced that the investigation will land any bigger fish than those two guys
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Exactly.

This may not lead to Trump, but now Mueller is requesting documents of any communication between the White House and Manafort, Flynn, Page, etc. If these communiques contain any understanding from Trump, then this would remove Trump from claiming lack of knowledge of any malfeasance.

Right now Trump can say, "I thought I hired the best, but it looks like I didn't vet them well enough, and now they've gone rogue behind my back."

I think this is a very critical point of juncture for the President. If had knowledge of, or was complicit in any way in any criminal endeavors of any sort whatsoever, he'd be turning over evidence against himself. Apparently, within his legal team, there's debate as to whether to turn the documents over or not.
 
Grand Mal said:
In Flynn's case, I'm convinced Trump told him to call the Russian ambassador the day Obama announced sanctions against Russia, and told him to keep it secret. That's why he, Flynn, lied to Pence about it.
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I think that's not an unreasonable possibility.
 
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