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The Situation in Myanmar - who wants 313,000 Muslims?[W:215]

Myanmar Islam versus Buddhist conflict should be seen in light of the following:
During the nine-month-long Bangladesh war (1971) ......, members of the Pakistani (Muslim) military and supporting Islamist militias .....

killed up to 3,000,000 people and raped between 200,000 and 400,000 Bangladeshi women,according to Bangladeshi and Indian sources,
in a systematic campaign of genocidal rape.
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The actions against women were supported by Muslim religious leaders, who declared that Bengali women were gonimoter maal
(Bengali for "public property").

And CENTURIES of Muslim aggression against Hindus and Buddhist in India and Afghanistan, Mayasia, and Thailand (nearly all Buddhist killed or driven out of southernmost Thailand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.co...on-of-india-the-greatest-genocide-in-history/
https://youtu.be/VPRwzB_1YEk

June 8, 2012 After Friday prayers thousands of Muslims attacked Buddhist in Maungdaw Myanmar.
https://www.hrw.org/report/2012/07/...ian-violence-and-ensuing-abuses-burmas-arakan
This premeditated Muslim attack was comparable to the 1572 Roman Catholic St Bartholomew massacre of Protestants.

Context of Muslim aggression in Myanmar is CENTURIES of Muslim violent aggression against Hindus and Buddhist.
Put simply, Islam demands to rule the world.
Papacy is using Islam as a tool to bring down all "sovereign" nations/governments.
 
Serenity said:
Perhaps I'm just weird to believe this, but there is nothing even remotely cool about genocide.
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I didn't say genocide was cool. So you weren't weird. Just a little too quick. Cool is that it is Buddhists that have usually been used as the gilded standard of peacefulness and not the usual suspects doing the murdering.
 
X Factor said:
If you can't laugh at other people, who can you laugh at?
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The comment specifically relates to laughing at genocide. What is funny about genocide? What is there to actually laugh about?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Only if you consider all muslims to be automatically terrorists. Totally ignorant and disgusting position you've got there.



There's nothing funny or ironic about genocide. Individuals do not have to match the stereotypes people arbitrarily saddle their group with.
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This from the guy who makes many broad brush statements about Christians. If these were Christians instead, you wouldn't even be participating in the thread.
 
John Prewett said:
Myanmar Islam versus Buddhist conflict should be seen in light of the following:
During the nine-month-long Bangladesh war (1971) ......, members of the Pakistani (Muslim) military and supporting Islamist militias .....

killed up to 3,000,000 people and raped between 200,000 and 400,000 Bangladeshi women,according to Bangladeshi and Indian sources,
in a systematic campaign of genocidal rape.
………….
The actions against women were supported by Muslim religious leaders, who declared that Bengali women were gonimoter maal
(Bengali for "public property").

And CENTURIES of Muslim aggression against Hindus and Buddhist in India and Afghanistan, Mayasia, and Thailand (nearly all Buddhist killed or driven out of southernmost Thailand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.co...on-of-india-the-greatest-genocide-in-history/
https://youtu.be/VPRwzB_1YEk

June 8, 2012 After Friday prayers thousands of Muslims attacked Buddhist in Maungdaw Myanmar.
https://www.hrw.org/report/2012/07/...ian-violence-and-ensuing-abuses-burmas-arakan
This premeditated Muslim attack was comparable to the 1572 Roman Catholic St Bartholomew massacre of Protestants.

Context of Muslim aggression in Myanmar is CENTURIES of Muslim violent aggression against Hindus and Buddhist.
Put simply, Islam demands to rule the world.
Papacy is using Islam as a tool to bring down all "sovereign" nations/governments.
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Are you justifying this genocide?
 
Serenity said:
The comment specifically relates to laughing at genocide. What is funny about genocide? What is there to actually laugh about?
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This is probably an off shoot from the actual topic, and it doesn't really support anyone getting upset that someone doesn't find humor in it...

But it's a commonly held belief amongst some people that essentially, there can be humor found in anything. The reason for this is that humor is subjective, and senses of humor can vary from person to person. Some people enjoy dark humor, for some people humor about things so horrible you feel bad laughing actually simply adds to the impact of a joke. For others, such a thing doesn't register as funny at all; and there's nothing wrong with either of those things, because ultimately humor is a very personal thing.

There's a line of humor thinking out there that "You can't make jokes about...[x] " is basically a nonsensical notion and antithesis of comedy. Essentially, there are awful things in the world...and you can still make jokes about them.

However, if you hold that line of thinking, you have to also accept that humor is in the eye of the beholder and everyone isn't going to find the same type of things funny. So while being bothered if people get upset with you for using humor as a means of coping, addressing, or dealing with a situation is kind of reasonable....getting upset that they don't find humor in it as well is rather ridiculous.
 
holbritter said:
What I think should be done by the UN with the support of all countries is to pressure the Myanmar government to acknowledge the Rohingya people as one of the countries ethnic groups and leave them alone.
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From what I've read, this is the stance of the UN, and they've appealed to Daw Suu. The Myanmar military have laid land-mines at the border, to prevent them from returning. At least one person has been killed by the land mines. Daw Suu responded by saying that the Rohingya are resorting to "fake news", in an attempt to get the world to show mercy. The military leaders stated the same thing.

I imagine there's a degree of truth on both sides, and a lot of lies on both sides. None of this changes the situation in Bangladesh, where there is now a monumental humanitarian crisis.
 
Serenity said:
I don't give much of a crap that you think it's bad that I can't bring myself to laugh at actual genocide that is occuring as we speak Jesse.

So glad we cleared that up.
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One of the reasons that we get all the starvation and genocide is that folks don't really give much of a crap about things they profess to hate. We disagreed on this point, when we could have taken Assad out and prevented the catastrophe there and we could have acted much earlier in this case. The first articles I saw in this chain of events are years old and the timeline of this pogrom was evident for all to see last year at the very latest, when aid was suspended in October. But at that time the problem was already so virulent that it was inexcusable to ignore it. Sure bluster sounds fine and noble now. But these things don't happen ex nihilo. They have a history. And this history has been noted for years.
 
Serenity said:
The comment specifically relates to laughing at genocide. What is funny about genocide? What is there to actually laugh about?
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Nothing at all and I don't Jesse really thinks so either. My post was a line I heard from a comedian who I've long forgotten and it's really more of a joke about the person saying it, like more of an invitation to laugh at the person who has it all wrong. I think Jesse's comment was along the same lines.
 
John Prewett said:
Myanmar Islam versus Buddhist conflict should be seen in light of the following:
During the nine-month-long Bangladesh war (1971) ......, members of the Pakistani (Muslim) military and supporting Islamist militias .....

killed up to 3,000,000 people and raped between 200,000 and 400,000 Bangladeshi women,according to Bangladeshi and Indian sources,
in a systematic campaign of genocidal rape.
………….
The actions against women were supported by Muslim religious leaders, who declared that Bengali women were gonimoter maal
(Bengali for "public property").........................~
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already shown (in another thread) to be completely irrelevant to the topic here, in that the (at the time) internal Pakistan conflict was Muslim vs. Muslim but had nothing to do with any religious issues.

For the rest, see #23
An assessment as ignorant of actual history of the region and peoples as it then, consequently, must be idiotic in conclusion.
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coldjointing remains what it always was, inherently dishonest, ignorant and frankly stupid.

No matter who's doing it.
 
John Prewett said:
Rather such as you seek to justify/support mass murder of most of the citizens of Myanmar.
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An assessment as ignorant of actual history of the region and peoples as it then, consequently, must be idiotic in conclusion.
 
joG said:
One of the reasons that we get all the starvation and genocide is that folks don't really give much of a crap about things they profess to hate. We disagreed on this point, when we could have taken Assad out and prevented the catastrophe there and we could have acted much earlier in this case. The first articles I saw in this chain of events are years old and the timeline of this pogrom was evident for all to see last year at the very latest, when aid was suspended in October. But at that time the problem was already so virulent that it was inexcusable to ignore it. Sure bluster sounds fine and noble now. But these things don't happen ex nihilo. They have a history. And this history has been noted for years.
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Don't get me started on Assad. I was one of the lone posters 6 years ago attempting to bring attention to the developing crisis over there when the numbers fleeing the atrocities were still reasonably low. Under 10,000. Fast forward 6 years and Syria’s civil war has created arguably the worst humanitarian crisis of our time. Half the country’s pre-war population, more than 11 million people, have been killed or forced to flee their homes.
 
Zyphlin said:
This is probably an off shoot from the actual topic, and it doesn't really support anyone getting upset that someone doesn't find humor in it...

But it's a commonly held belief amongst some people that essentially, there can be humor found in anything. The reason for this is that humor is subjective, and senses of humor can vary from person to person. Some people enjoy dark humor, for some people humor about things so horrible you feel bad laughing actually simply adds to the impact of a joke. For others, such a thing doesn't register as funny at all; and there's nothing wrong with either of those things, because ultimately humor is a very personal thing.

There's a line of humor thinking out there that "You can't make jokes about...[x] " is basically a nonsensical notion and antithesis of comedy. Essentially, there are awful things in the world...and you can still make jokes about them.

However, if you hold that line of thinking, you have to also accept that humor is in the eye of the beholder and everyone isn't going to find the same type of things funny. So while being bothered if people get upset with you for using humor as a means of coping, addressing, or dealing with a situation is kind of reasonable....getting upset that they don't find humor in it as well is rather ridiculous.
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I'll just stay on the side of the fence that what is happening in the actual topic of this thread is pretty awful and those who want to downplay the situation, don't give a crap and make fun of what is actually happening to these people can carry on. I've said my bit and I stand by every word.
 
Chagos said:
already shown (in another thread) to be completely irrelevant to the topic here ............
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The claim that context is irrelevant was asserted by you or a mass murder supporting twit like you ..... however, rational people know context is significant.

Including the reality of Islamic aggression since it's birth. Aggression mandated by the bloody vile Koran.
 
reinoe said:
Surely Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the rest of the wealthy Arab gulf states can take in these refugees. Or maybe Europeans can take in these refugees. Either way, there's no reason for the U.S. to get involved.
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Better yet, those Muslim governments can send in forces to protect the Rohingya.
 
John Prewett said:
The claim that context is irrelevant was asserted by you or a mass murder supporting twit like you ..... however, rational people know context is significant.

Including the reality of Islamic aggression since it's birth. Aggression mandated by the bloody vile Koran.
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If there's anyone confused over context, this totally silly statement
John Prewett said:
Rather such as you seek to justify/support mass murder of most of the citizens of Myanmar.
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shows who is suffering confusion.

Not to mention your dishonesty in neatly truncating the post in which I showed your confusion over the West Pakistan/East Pakistan conflict of over 40 years ago.
 
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apdst said:
Better yet, those Muslim governments can send in forces to protect the Rohingya.
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yea, call in more Muslims to mass murder most all the citizens of Myanmar. Yea, that's the way.

Probably the supreme moral arbiter of West Civilization (the fraud in Rome) would think that a good idea.

https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2017/08/27/pope-urges-full-rights-given-persecuted-rohingya-minority/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/28/pope-visit-myanmar-muslim-refugees-flee-renewed-violence/

http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/201..._for_end_to_violence_against_rohingya/1333091
 
John Prewett said:
yea, call in more Muslims to mass murder most all the citizens of Myanmar. Yea, that's the way.

Probably the supreme moral arbiter of West Civilization (the fraud in Rome) would think that a good idea.

https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2017/08/27/pope-urges-full-rights-given-persecuted-rohingya-minority/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/28/pope-visit-myanmar-muslim-refugees-flee-renewed-violence/

http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/201..._for_end_to_violence_against_rohingya/1333091
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Yeah, do nothing. That always works.
 
reinoe said:
Surely Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the rest of the wealthy Arab gulf states can take in these refugees. Or maybe Europeans can take in these refugees. Either way, there's no reason for the U.S. to get involved.
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That's been my question through every "Muslim refugee crisis".
https://insideislam.wisc.edu/2012/04/helping-others-a-core-principle-of-islam/
Muslims are EXPLICITLY instructed to help out their own poor and yet they seem to let that little piece slide when it's politically expedient.
 
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