Christians in U.S. Military ‘Serve Satan’ If They Tolerate Other Religions, Air Force

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JANFU said:

So what does an RCC Chaplain-Padre do when Ministering to a bunch of Protestants?
Does he send those sinners to confession? Doubt that- So what does he do?

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Chaplains have several jobs in the military, some denominational, some non-denominational, and some secular. If a Chaplain can't provide a particular service to a soldier then he helps find the soldier a Chaplain or someone else that can.

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apdst said:

No, they aren't. Each religiin has it's own branch insignia (in the Army, anyway).

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But they are still required to minister to any soldier, regardless of religion/denomination, to the best of their ability. While a Muslim chaplain can't take confession from a Catholic or administer the Eucharist, he would refer the soldier to an available priest. But he can and must act as counselor and spiritual advisor to the Catholic, Jew, Wiccan, even Atheist.

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Skeptic Bob said:

Chaplains have several jobs in the military, some denominational, some non-denominational, and some secular. If a Chaplain can't provide a particular service to a soldier then he helps find the soldier a Chaplain or someone else that can.

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Yes, I understand that, my post was poorly thought out. Same In the Canadian Military.

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Northern Light said:

Mixing religion and military politics just tends to lead to psychopathic retardation in general, I've noticed. It never ends well.

As a civilian, when I think of all the crazy stuff I've seen as a former Catholic and then imagine what Christianity could be doing in the military, my stomach turns to knots. Too much power, too much control, too much authority.

The psycho chaplain in the OP obviously seems to believe that the military is part of Christian dominion over the Earth.

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It's glaringly obvious you haven't read the chaplains actual comments and are just bleating and expressing your own bigotry. It's amazing how often people in the process of attempting to decry bigotry expose their own bigotry.


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VanceMack said:

It's glaringly obvious you haven't read the chaplains actual comments and are just bleating and expressing your own bigotry. It's amazing how often people in the process of attempting to decry bigotry expose their own bigotry.

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What's glaringly obvious is that you have a very poor debating style in which you attack people's personal character at the drop of a hat rather than debate the points and merits of an argument. Did you ever consider that I did read the chaplain's comments, but drew a different conclusion than you did? No, you didn't. You just decided that you were entitled to be offended by someone with a different view than you and went on the offensive.

Good day to you.

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Northern Light said:

What's glaringly obvious is that you have a very poor debating style in which you attack people's personal character at the drop of a hat rather than debate the points and merits of an argument. Did you ever consider that I did read the chaplain's comments, but drew a different conclusion than you did? No, you didn't. You just decided that you were entitled to be offended by someone with a different view than you and went on the offensive.

Good day to you.

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Nope...I don't consider that even a little bit...not based on your comments.


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JANFU said:

Chaplains are to be non denominational- Man should be turfed

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No kidding. I mean the title was Christians in U.S. Military ?Serve Satan? If They Tolerate Other Religions, Air Force Chaplain Says and I said that is a load of bull****.

As in the Chaplin is an idiot.

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pinqy said:

But they are still required to minister to any soldier, regardless of religion/denomination, to the best of their ability. While a Muslim chaplain can't take confession from a Catholic or administer the Eucharist, he would refer the soldier to an available priest. But he can and must act as counselor and spiritual advisor to the Catholic, Jew, Wiccan, even Atheist.

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That's pretty much how it works. I saw a Baptist chaplain perform Hanukka services one time.

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Manc Skipper said:

Religious extremists. Birds of a feather can flock off together.

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Anti-religious bigots are the reason the 1st Amendment exists.

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Jredbaron96 said:

This isn't a matter of inappropriate versus appropriate. This isn't about respecting rank, it's about the setting in which the conversation


You say that, but there are plenty of instances where soldiers haven't felt comfortable telling people of incidents and events because they felt it compromised military order and leadership. NCO's and officers are supposed to be the trusted leaders of our units, and are viewed as such, but their actions don't reflect that. The whole point of a Chaplain being casual and informal around other personnel is to make them feel comfortable revealing information that they may otherwise feel reluctant to release.

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The same applies to chaplains, but it's no excuse to relax the standards.

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JANFU said:

So what does an RCC Chaplain-Padre do when Ministering to a bunch of Protestants?
Does he send those sinners to confession? Doubt that- So what does he do?

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In the U.S forces, they aren't required to be non-denominational.

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JANFU said:

I was referring to when preaching to those that are not of that particular faith.
Worded poorly, my apologies

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Those of another faith can listen to the service, or they can request a chaplain of their faith.

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PeteEU said:

Only if JAG is not infected with religious zealots as well.

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Bullcrap!

Many senior officers and enlisted have gone down over the past 20 years from whistle blowers.

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apdst said:

Those of another faith can listen to the service, or they can request a chaplain of their faith.

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I have to apologize as I made a poorly worded post- when I was speaking to non denominational, in my mind I was going back to when we were deployed. Padre-Chaplain could be RC, Protestant.
Base Chapels were different, Protestant/RC as 2 examples
Thing is with Protestant, that covers a wide number of sects.

So in the Field, a Padre would be attending to a number of deployed units. So a Service was always non denominational.

Reminds me of the time I met our new Unit Chaplain, just posted to Germany.
Our unit was the 1st he visited. I was the CQ- so fixed him up with all the odds and ends needed, including a spare set of US Military rain gear I had as ours sucked.

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apdst said:

They obviously failed to enforce the standards. Any officer, or NCO that doesn't enforce the standards is a piece of ****.

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I can see how some parade ground puppets could think that. Someone who gets to bark at young trainees instead of experienced troops who are chin deep in the **** might see enforcement above accomplishing the mission.

We had a squad leader come to us in the 9th Light straight off of drill status after doing recruiter duty. Oh how he loved to bark and demand he be addressed as staff sergeant rather than just sarge even while out on patrol, I would be referred to by my nick name while out away from the company, he wanted to write me up for that.... :doh

We called him brass ass- he didn't last long. His squad got 'clumsy' on missions, clean-up, round robin training. They took the lick to get rid of him. He got send to Bde on SD, I always hoped he choked on his on swinging Richard.

I lived by a different motto- rather than enforce the drill and ceremony standards it was LIVE UP to the leadership standards so men would be willing TO FOLLOW (leaders can't push troops like Drills, we have to get up and run forward, counting on our guys to follow) through the lower gates of hell rather than barked at in some armory parking lot... :roll:

I know you are clueless by your reply, you condemn an entire spectrum of leaders who's men would follow them into hell just because they dropped the parade ground BS... eace

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notquiteright said:

I can see how some parade ground puppets could think that. Someone who gets to bark at young trainees instead of experienced troops who are chin deep in the **** might see enforcement above accomplishing the mission.

We had a squad leader come to us in the 9th Light straight off of drill status after doing recruiter duty. Oh how he loved to bark and demand he be addressed as staff sergeant rather than just sarge even while out on patrol, I would be referred to by my nick name while out away from the company, he wanted to write me up for that.... :doh

We called him brass ass- he didn't last long. His squad got 'clumsy' on missions, clean-up, round robin training. They took the lick to get rid of him. He got send to Bde on SD, I always hoped he choked on his on swinging Richard.

I lived by a different motto- rather than enforce the drill and ceremony standards it was LIVE UP to the leadership standards so men would be willing TO FOLLOW (leaders can't push troops like Drills, we have to get up and run forward, counting on our guys to follow) through the lower gates of hell rather than barked at in some armory parking lot... :roll:

I know you are clueless by your reply, you condemn an entire spectrum of leaders who's men would follow them into hell just because they dropped the parade ground BS... eace

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Hell is exactly where they would take them, because their lack of technical and tactical proficiency would get most of their troops killed.

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Manc Skipper said:

Projection is a thing.

A similar religious extremist Chaplain was fired. It can and should be done. He has a right to his faith, but not his job.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...aces-possible-discharge-for-being-intolerant/

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Active Duty vs Reserves. You DO know there is a difference...right? As a member of the Active Duty forces you are responsible for your actions 24/7. As a reservist, you are responsible for your actions when you are on duty. He was not on duty...he was clearly a civilian acting in a civilian capacity.

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JANFU said:

I was referring to when preaching to those that are not of that particular faith.
Worded poorly, my apologies

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Ive spent many years in deployed environments. There is a difference between ministering to people and preaching. In point of fact...if people bothered to actually read the mans actual comments and not just the snippets by the article attacking him, they will see that that is EXACTLY what he was addressing.

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VanceMack said:

Active Duty vs Reserves. You DO know there is a difference...right? As a member of the Active Duty forces you are responsible for your actions 24/7. As a reservist, you are responsible for your actions when you are on duty. He was not on duty...he was clearly a civilian acting in a civilian capacity.

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I'm sure MS did not understand that nuance.

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apdst said:

Those of another faith can listen to the service, or they can request a chaplain of their faith.

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I wish people would stop and actually read his actual article if they are going to continue to comment on this.

Christian Service Members: Avoid Supporting or Accommodating Evil!

What he posted amounts to a sermon. Sermons are audience specific. Buddhists would address their congregation from a buddhist perspective. Imams would certainly address their congregations from a Muslim persepctive. Catholics, Mormons, Jehovahs Witnesses...etc. (Wait...not Jehovahs Witnesses...they are Conscientious Objectors. Still...if they WERE in the military serving as Chaplains, they would preach from a JW perspective).

Ive said before...poorly worded...probably even ill advised. But still...not what it is being made out to be.

I would challenge anyone (that happens to be a Christian) that is besides themselves over his comments, to examine the 10 Commandments. Regardless of whether or not you agree with him (and I dont)...the first 3 commandments are:
I am the LORD thy God
No other gods before me
No graven images or likenesses

And many of those other religions are in violation of the first 3 commandments. His perspective is that if you say AS A CHRISTIAN...you endorse that you can worship whoever and whoevr you like, then you are openly advocating for the violation of the first three commandments of the most basic tenets in Christianity. If you say...God does not allow it but the Constitution does...so be it...but understand that authority is endorsed by government and man...not Christians.

He then talks about the individuals derivation of moral authority. If a Soldier takes his moral authority from government he is not of Christ. If the Soldier takes his moral authority from God, he is of Christ and his actions should reflect that.

Finally...he talks of pastors not ministering to others, but preaching in the manner of others.

Thats what the hullabaloo is all about.

Now...as a lay minister...Im fine with him saying that. In the Military...if he were active duty, I would counsel and demand that he not do that. In the active duty service, especially in a deployed environment...Soldiers need to be able to go to a Chaplain and trust they will provide spiritual comfort, not conversion or damnation. But as a reservist on his own time...even if I wanted to its highly unlikely I could discipline him in any way shape or form. I would counsel with him...but I would bet that is as far as I could go.

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VanceMack said:

Active Duty vs Reserves. You DO know there is a difference...right? As a member of the Active Duty forces you are responsible for your actions 24/7. As a reservist, you are responsible for your actions when you are on duty. He was not on duty...he was clearly a civilian acting in a civilian capacity.

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Even in an active duty status, as long as he was off duty, he's simply excercising his rights.

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VanceMack said:

I wish people would stop and actually read his actual article if they are going to continue to comment on this.

Christian Service Members: Avoid Supporting or Accommodating Evil!

What he posted amounts to a sermon. Sermons are audience specific. Buddhists would address their congregation from a buddhist perspective. Imams would certainly address their congregations from a Muslim persepctive. Catholics, Mormons, Jehovahs Witnesses...etc. (Wait...not Jehovahs Witnesses...they are Conscientious Objectors. Still...if they WERE in the military serving as Chaplains, they would preach from a JW perspective).

Ive said before...poorly worded...probably even ill advised. But still...not what it is being made out to be.

I would challenge anyone (that happens to be a Christian) that is besides themselves over his comments, to examine the 10 Commandments. Regardless of whether or not you agree with him (and I dont)...the first 3 commandments are:
I am the LORD thy God
No other gods before me
No graven images or likenesses

And many of those other religions are in violation of the first 3 commandments. His perspective is that if you say AS A CHRISTIAN...you endorse that you can worship whoever and whoevr you like, then you are openly advocating for the violation of the first three commandments of the most basic tenets in Christianity. If you say...God does not allow it but the Constitution does...so be it...but understand that authority is endorsed by government and man...not Christians.

He then talks about the individuals derivation of moral authority. If a Soldier takes his moral authority from government he is not of Christ. If the Soldier takes his moral authority from God, he is of Christ and his actions should reflect that.

Finally...he talks of pastors not ministering to others, but preaching in the manner of others.

Thats what the hullabaloo is all about.

Now...as a lay minister...Im fine with him saying that. In the Military...if he were active duty, I would counsel and demand that he not do that. In the active duty service, especially in a deployed environment...Soldiers need to be able to go to a Chaplain and trust they will provide spiritual comfort, not conversion or damnation. But as a reservist on his own time...even if I wanted to its highly unlikely I could discipline him in any way shape or form. I would counsel with him...but I would bet that is as far as I could go.

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The pissin-n-moanin is about him being a Christian. If he was any other religion, these same folks wouldn't say a word.

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apdst said:

Hell is exactly where they would take them, because their lack of technical and tactical proficiency would get most of their troops killed.

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No Uncle Sugar orders you to assault hell, the squad leader gets you back....

I find your mindset baffling (not the first time) how does parade ground 'discipline' equates to tactical proficiency???

No clue in how calling me by my squad nickname means a lower standard in 'technical' or tactical proficiency.

I guess I spent too much time out in the bush to get as keen a grasp of the drill ground as you... eace

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apdst said:

Even in an active duty status, as long as he was off duty, he's simply excercising his rights.

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When you're in the military, you're expected to set a higher standard than our civilian counterparts. Which means you do not condemn your fellow troops based solely on their religious beliefs. But, it is not surprising that a toxic person like yourself is condoning toxic leadership.

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CMPancake said:

When you're in the military, you're expected to set a higher standard than our civilian counterparts. Which means you do not condemn your fellow troops based solely on their religious beliefs. But, it is not surprising that a toxic person like yourself is condoning toxic leadership.

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However, you do not surrender you civil rights, upon enlistment, or commissioning.

What unit were you in?