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SCANDAL Outrage as well-known rapper 'lynches' small white child in music video

Tigerace117 said:
Gee bud, when one group of people with certain genetics scream something in the course of depriving people of their constitutional rights, and murders innocent people in the process, then they lose all right to pretend their use of a word is innocent--- especially when it's a racial slur.

We used to murder people who fought against oppression. The fact that you think that was "better" says a lot about you
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They're protected by the 1st Amendment.
 
Not an argument

apdst said:
You've displayed it as fact.
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In what post? All I see is you presuming to tell her how she would react in post #16 without any basis, then just repeatedly assert is as truth since. That's not debating.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
[/FONT][/COLOR]He's got one problem with this. a white "artist" couldn't even mention the idea of doing something like this. It's shocking no matter who does it, but showing that something like this could make it to production is another example that "white privilege" is a myth.
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Is the idiot honestly trying to argue that a white musician hanging a black child in a video wouldn't spark outrage?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Does anyone ANYWHERE see society embracing the image of a black man hanging a white child?

Be sure to present evidence society is "embracing" this rapper and his video.
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... Yes, RA, we are here to discuss the utterly broken brain of this "well known rapper" because HE is attempting to make that idiotic point. Welcome to the thread.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
He's got one problem with this. a white "artist" couldn't even mention the idea of doing something like this. It's shocking no matter who does it, but showing that something like this could make it to production is another example that "white privilege" is a myth.
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Right, because it wouldn't be artistic, it would be insensitive and intimidating. The reason a black artist can do this is that it is clear and obvious that the artist is not advocating that this is acceptable, he's pointing out how frequently this kind of thing still happens in real life to black people.

It is important to criticize people in power to keep them grounded and ensure they don't become consumed by it. When you criticize and attack the weak and powerless however you are nothing more than a bully. White people have power, black people do not. Therefore black people have much more leeway when it comes to criticizing white people, where as white people need to be far more careful when critizing the actions of black people.

In the video you're referencing there is realistically no rational fear that black people are going to see this imagery, and mistakenly think it's a call to lynch white children. However, if a country music star made a video of a white kid lynching a black child it could be easily seen as the muscian advoctating for their fan base to actually do something like this. At the very least it would be a painful an insensative reminder of what African Americans are forced to deal with on a daily basis.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I gave you the benefit of the doubt. My bad.
Where did I say that this disproves all of the myth of "white privilege"? In fact I believe as i lectured you already, I stated it's one example.
If I'm bad at this "thinking", where does that place you given you cant understand basic english.
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Yeah, you said this is evidence that there is no white privilege, as if making lynching videos is what white people want to do but can't. What would happen if a white person made a video about lynching a black person? Outrage and whining? Kind of like you and many others in this thread are doing? It would be legal for any race to make the video, and there would be outrage and whining in every situation.

jmotivator said:
Is the idiot honestly trying to argue that a white musician hanging a black child in a video wouldn't spark outrage?
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He seems to be arguing that because this black man was allowed to publish this video, it disproves white privilege in America. Also, you shouldn't be insulting the OP like that.

jmotivator said:
... Yes, RA, we are here to discuss the utterly broken brain of this "well known rapper" because HE is attempting to make that idiotic point. Welcome to the thread.
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He was met with outrage and whining. How would it be different if a white person did it? Can you show the overwhelming support Americans have shown this rapper for making this video? Society "embraces" him? Evidence?
 
VanceMack said:
I dont much go in for shock imagery. Dont know the 'well known rapper'. Don't much buy into what his expression is meant to convey. Does anyone ANYWHERE see society embracing the image of a white man hanging a black child? See...if your belief is that society would find the image of a white child being hung by a black man shocking but a black child being hung by a white man would be seen as normal and NOT shocking, you are a ****ing moron.
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The symbolism of the White boy being hung while a Black boy (and I assume an all-Black audience in silhouette) stands by watching is meant to convey just that - that White society still largely stands by as Black people die at the hands of authoritarianism. That's not to take away from the real fact that Blacks-on-Black crime does exist or that Whites don't die at the hands of police officers or their own either (i.e., the recent school shooting in Washington State), but when such senseless murders are perpetrated upon Blacks particularly by those in authority, White America doesn't seem to take it to heart as much as they would if the victim were a White person.

I get the "shock value" the music artist was going for. It's certainly not something I would have done, but I understand the message he was trying to convey. It's a bit overkill, but I get it.
 
MrWonka said:
Right, because it wouldn't be artistic, it would be insensitive and intimidating. The reason a black artist can do this is that it is clear and obvious that the artist is not advocating that this is acceptable, he's pointing out how frequently this kind of thing still happens in real life to black people.
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So you are saying that if a white country artist depicted the same thing, while having a similar message it would be acceptable?


It is important to criticize people in power to keep them grounded and ensure they don't become consumed by it. When you criticize and attack the weak and powerless however you are nothing more than a bully. White people have power, black people do not. Therefore black people have much more leeway when it comes to criticizing white people, where as white people need to be far more careful when critizing the actions of black people.
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**** that ****, it's racist to treat one race different than another. stop being racist and thinking you have to treat black people differently than anyone else.


In the video you're referencing there is realistically no rational fear that black people are going to see this imagery, and mistakenly think it's a call to lynch white children. However, if a country music star made a video of a white kid lynching a black child it could be easily seen as the muscian advoctating for their fan base to actually do something like this. At the very least it would be a painful an insensative reminder of what African Americans are forced to deal with on a daily basis.
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So if a country singer did the same thing, with the same or similar message, it would not be ok?


That's racist bro.


:lol: @ "what african americans deal with every day." I just shouted to one of my managers, who's black if he thinks about being lynched every day. he stated only on tuesdays, I told him tuesdays were for tacos and he should not be culturally appropriating mexican culture.

we laughed. YOu should go hang out in some more ethnically diverse places (that are not universities), you'll find people don't actually think about all that **** as much as you think.

we have lives to live.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
"Treat everyone the same" was your father's equality, we dont believe in that anymore.
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Treating everyone the same has never been the goal of any equality movement. Martin Luther King Jr did not advocate for a total lack of judgement, he advocated that we judge based upon the content of your heart and not the colour of your skin.

Powerful people have always been deserving of greater judgement than that of the weak. White people as a whole are far more powerful, therefore we are deserving of greater criticism, and more efforts need to be made to ensure we do not view our power as something we are entitled to.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Yeah, you said this is evidence that there is no white privilege, as if making lynching videos is what white people want to do but can't. What would happen if a white person made a video about lynching a black person? Outrage and whining? Kind of like you and many others in this thread are doing? It would be legal for any race to make the video, and there would be outrage and whining in every situation.
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If you are not going to read what I post, I'm just going to dismiss you. /facepalm
 
MrWonka said:
The reason a black artist can do this is that it is clear and obvious that the artist is not advocating that this is acceptable, he's pointing out how frequently this kind of thing still happens in real life to black people.
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That's actually not true. What X said was that he was trying to show how it would be if it was the other way around. He was apparently trying to show that violence against black or white is wrong; color doesn't matter. But that message was pretty much buried with the over-the-top hanging, which they never should have done.
 
MrWonka said:
Right, because it wouldn't be artistic, it would be insensitive and intimidating. The reason a black artist can do this is that it is clear and obvious that the artist is not advocating that this is acceptable, he's pointing out how frequently this kind of thing still happens in real life to black people..
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wait, I have to revisit. BLack people are still being lynched? REALLY?
 
TheGoverness said:
That's actually not true. What X said was that he was trying to show how it would be if it was the other way around. He was apparently trying to show that violence against black or white is wrong; color doesn't matter. But that message was pretty much buried with the over-the-top hanging, which they never should have done.
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exactly......


You like Fetty wap?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
So you are saying that if a white country artist depicted the same thing while having a similar message it would be acceptable?
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If the message was meant to shake fellow white people out of their complacency then they might get away with it, but they'd have to tread more likely.

ReverendHellh0und said:
**** that ****, it's racist to treat one race different than another. stop being racist and thinking you have to treat black people differently than anyone else.
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Only if you are doing so on the basis of skin color alone. In this case, the difference is based upon power. One race has it, the other does not. Therefore more leeway must be given to the weaker race when it comes to criticizing the actions of the more powerful race.

If black people radically outnumbered white people in this country and the systems of power in were controlled almost exclusively by black people, then the same leeway would be afforded to white people. Therefore the treatment is not based upon skin color, but upon power and priveledge.


ReverendHellh0und said:
So if a country singer did the same thing, with the same or similar message, it would not be ok?
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If the message was meant to shake fellow white people out of their complacency then they might get away with it, but they'd have to tread more likely.

ReverendHellh0und said:
That's racist bro.
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No, that's called speaking truth to power. It isn't African Americans fault that white people have all the power.
 
MrWonka said:
Treating everyone the same has never been the goal of any equality movement. Martin Luther King Jr did not advocate for a total lack of judgement, he advocated that we judge based upon the content of your heart and not the colour of your skin.

Powerful people have always been deserving of greater judgement than that of the weak. White people as a whole are far more powerful, therefore we are deserving of greater criticism, and more efforts need to be made to ensure we do not view our power as something we are entitled to.
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I dont know that "Treat everyone the same" and "To him with the greater gifts get charged the greater responsibility" are in conflict....this might make for an interesting conversation.

However, on the whole I am for sure right.
 
MrWonka said:
If the message was meant to shake fellow white people out of their complacency then they might get away with it, but they'd have to tread more likely.
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What do you mean "complacency", what are you talking about?



Only if you are doing so on the basis of skin color alone. In this case, the difference is based upon power. One race has it, the other does not. Therefore more leeway must be given to the weaker race when it comes to criticizing the actions of the more powerful race.

If black people radically outnumbered white people in this country and the systems of power in were controlled almost exclusively by black people, then the same leeway would be afforded to white people. Therefore the treatment is not based upon skin color, but upon power and priveledge.
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That's dumb. people are people, treat them with respect, and expect the same. Hold people accountable, and be fair. Stop looking down at black people by thinking you have power over them and feel guilty about that power.


If the message was meant to shake fellow white people out of their complacency then they might get away with it, but they'd have to tread more likely.
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That's racist not the artist, but your position.


No, that's called speaking truth to power. It isn't African Americans fault that white people have all the power.
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So what does this even mean, what power? how is it manifested?
 
This is one of many reasons why I absolutely hate rap! Some old-school hip-hop isn't bad but it was mostly about the beat 25-30 years ago. These days it's all about how racist, vulgar, and narcissistic the lyrics can be. But I guess it's all right if the so-called artist is black. If a white artist was shown doing this to a black person or any other non-white person, he'd be doomed in shame for the rest of his life.
 
MrWonka said:
Yes.

Men attack interracial couple, threaten to lynch boyfriend in NYC - NY Daily News

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...old-boy-lynched-by-teenagers-in-New-Hampshire
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1. “I feel like I’m back 50 years ago or something,” said Anna, 38, who was attacked with her boyfriend, John, outside Coney Island Hospital last weekend.


Pointing out that this is an outlier, a rarity, not something that a common occurance and no different than any several "bias crimes" against others including white asian, latino etc.


2. There is word that this may not be as appeared.



but this is anectdotal. how many blacks were lynched per year for say the last 5 years.


I'll wait.
 
TheGoverness said:
That's actually not true. What X said was that he was trying to show how it would be if it was the other way around. He was apparently trying to show that violence against black or white is wrong; color doesn't matter. But that message was pretty much buried with the over-the-top hanging, which they never should have done.
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I agree with your minor assessment of the video; however, I think people (perhaps purposely) ignore the symbolism the hanging attempts to convey.

Murder is murder, true enough. Murder by those in power is worse. The larger picture here is when those in the majority in society stand by and remain silent on the commission of an immoral act upon the powerless, the whole of society loses. There are no winners.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
What do you mean "complacency", what are you talking about?
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It means the general unwillingness of the average white person to admit what a serious problem racism still is.


ReverendHellh0und said:
Stop looking down at black people by thinking you have power over them
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I'm not. I'm looking down on white people for continuing to naively ignore the massive benefits that come along with being white.


ReverendHellh0und said:
That's racist not the artist, but your position.
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False. It is speaking truth to power. If white people don't like it then they should give up some of their power.

ReverendHellh0und said:
So what does this even mean, what power? how is it manifested?
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Majority rules. White people make up 73% of the population of the United States of America. Blacks make up only 12%. All institutions of power in the United States are controlled almost exclusively by white people, more specificaly white heterosexual christian men.
 
MrWonka said:
In this case, the difference is based upon power. One race has it, the other does not. Therefore more leeway must be given to the weaker race when it comes to criticizing the actions of the more powerful race.
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What a load of crap! There is no powerful race or weaker race, everyone has the same opportunity regardless of who is in the majority of minority. A person's destiny is his own. Blacks are often given preferential treatment these days so they have no business whining or fuming about how bad they were treated long ago. We've more than made up for it.
 
MrWonka said:
Majority rules. White people make up 73% of the population of the United States of America. Blacks make up only 12%. All institutions of power in the United States are controlled almost exclusively by white people, more specificaly white heterosexual christian men.
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And you can't change population statistics, the majority in this country has always been white. So what? That doesn't mean people from all walks of life don't have opportunity to be successful.
 
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