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Improvised bomb on the Tube in London...

Hows that multiculturalism working out for you Europe ?

Europes leaders have put bad policy over the safety and security of their citizens for years now and this is the predictable end result after allowing in millions of unvetted Muslim refugees

The Dems had every intention of doing the same here. The Dems have no issue puttung party and ideology over Country when it suites their needs

Fenton:

Why not wait for confirmation that this was an Islamist-inspired attack before indicting multiculturalism and 1.6 billion Muslims? Why the rush to judgement?

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
It's good to see the people of London had some good luck in this attack. No reported fatalities, no serious long term injuries that I'm aware of and little damage to the transportation infrastructure. You may even be close on the heels of the bomber(s). All in all you've gotten very lucky you jammy bast*rds and it's about time you caught a bit of good luck.

Keep your heads down and your spirits high people of London and don't let the bast*rds grind you down!

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Yes as Mayor of London Sadiq Khan (peace be upon him) so wisely says "It's all part of modern life in a big city!" Who would swap today's vibrant London for the dreary old monocultural capital of my youth?
 
Fenton:

Why not wait for confirmation that this was an Islamist-inspired attack before indicting multiculturalism and 1.6 billion Muslims? Why the rush to judgement?

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Why not wait ? Because Im too much of a pragmatist to indulge in pretense and wishful thikning

Of-course the terrorist was a Muslim, and of-course Europes multicultural experiment has not only failed but cost innocent lives.

And of-course it was exceedingly irresponsible to take in millions of unvetted refugees from regions of the world that are known for spawning jihadist and terror

Its also irresponsible to take in people who have values and beliefs that are incompatiable with the values of their host Nations.

There's blood on these Eurpopean leaders hands and that includes Merkel who still thinks she has done nothing wrong
 
Hows that multiculturalism working out for you Europe ?

Europes leaders have put bad policy over the safety and security of their citizens for years now and this is the predictable end result after allowing in millions of unvetted Muslim refugees

The Dems had every intention of doing the same here. The Dems have no issue puttung party and ideology over Country when it suites their needs

About as well as the natives. You do know the other recent attack was by a white nationalist, don't you?

We don't know who committed this one yet. I don't think anyone is denying Islamists should definitely be on the shortlist. But it's not like the nationalists have been peace-loving folk, around here.

Now if you could kindly stop using this attack as a cudgel for hackery, that'd be great.
 
Who would swap today's vibrant London for the dreary old monocultural capital of my youth?
London has existed for almost 2000 years and at no point in all that time has it ever been monocultural.
 
Only one thing we can be absolutely rock solid certain about at this stage Maggie. NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM WHICH S A RELIGION OF PEACE.

I suppose that's true if you ignore all of recorded history.
 
Londons mayor said they will not give into terrorism.
I though terrorism was part and parcel of living in a large City ?

Still deliberately misquoting the mayor are we?
 
London has existed for almost 2000 years and at no point in all that time has it ever been monocultural.

Hell no, it has been white and christian for 3000 years! Plus they use to ride dinosaurs!
 
Why not wait ? Because Im too much of a pragmatist to indulge in pretense and wishful thikning

Of-course the terrorist was a Muslim, and of-course Europes multicultural experiment has not only failed but cost innocent lives.

And of-course it was exceedingly irresponsible to take in millions of unvetted refugees from regions of the world that are known for spawning jihadist and terror

Its also irresponsible to take in people who have values and beliefs that are incompatiable with the values of their host Nations.

There's blood on these Eurpopean leaders hands and that includes Merkel who still thinks she has done nothing wrong

Fenton:

I'm curious if you have ever lived in Europe or Britain? I have and Muslims are fine friends and great neighbours. Having lived a rather sheltered life in Canada until I was 12 years of age, I first came into personal contact with virulent bigotry and hate-driven violence while I lived in Bristol, England for about 18 months. But the hate was directed at East Asian Muslims who were called "Pakis" and who were threatened and attacked for being from abroad, even though they were native Britons. I myself was beaten up on two occasions while trying to defend my targeted school mates from attack. The attackers in both cases were uniformly white Britons, Irish, Scots and one was a Russian. The kids they were targeting were fine folk from good families with strong moral character based on their Islamic faith.

I have also walked through French cities like Paris, Tours, Grenoble and Marsaille and have seen the Muslim neighbourhoods which Americans like to characterise as No-Go zones. I never had a problem with the folks in these neighbourhoods. They were polite and welcoming. I did have problems with pure-laine French who were routinely rude and haughty to me and my parents as we travelled through France and some of the Low Countries.

Europe's precolonial history was pretty blood-soaked, long before Muslims were welcomed into European societies and when European nations had more culturally homogeneous populations. The Hundred Years War, the Wars of Religion, the Great Northern War, the Seven Years War, the Wars of Successions, the French Revolution and the Revolutionary Wars, the Napoleonic Wars, etc. Muslims fought and died defending France and Britain in two world wars and since then have been peaceful and important contributors to the wealth and cultures of most European countries in which they reside. Europe is on the whole better off for their presence and citizenship. Xenophobic demonisation and prejudice notwithstanding.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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London has existed for almost 2000 years and at no point in all that time has it ever been monocultural.

As near as makes no difference. In my 1940s London childhood there was a tiny chinatown, fewer Indians and fewer still Italians. Even with the recent influx of Jewish refugees something like 98% of London's 8M were natives of the British Isles.
 
That's why you don't wrap your bomb in a Lidl plastic bag :2razz:
 
As near as makes no difference. In my 1940s London childhood there was a tiny chinatown, fewer Indians and fewer still Italians. Even with the recent influx of Jewish refugees something like 98% of London's 8M were natives of the British Isles.

HAHAHAH no they are not. Most Brits come from Northern France or Germany.... you know the Anglo Saxons, and Normans.. Add to that the Scandinavian DNA, and the "native Brit" does not exist.

Also there was a large Jewish community in London before the few Jewish refugees came during the 1940s. There has been a large Jewish community in London and the UK for centuries. Also black and asian immigration to the UK started in the early 1800s with slaves and cheap workers coming from the colonies.

It is more like you lived a very sheltered life.. a very white sheltered life.
 
Fenton:

I'm curious if you have ever lived in Europe or Britain? I have and Muslims are fine friends and great neighbours. Having lived a rather sheltered life in Canada until I was 12 years of age, I first came into personal contact with virulent bigotry and hate-driven violence while I lived in Bristol, England for about 18 months. But the hate was directed at East Asian Muslims who were called "Pakis" and who were threatened and attacked for being from abroad, even though they were native Britons. I myself was beaten up on two occasions while trying to defend my targeted school mates from attack. The attackers in both cases were uniformly white Britons, Irish, Scots and one was a Russian. The kids they were targeting were fine folk from good families with strong moral character based on their Islamic faith.

I have also walked through French cities like Tours, Grenoble and Marsailles and have seen the Muslim neighbourhoods which Americans like to characterise as No-Go zones. I never had a problem with the folks in these neighbourhoods. They were polite and welcoming. I did have problems with pure-laine French who were routinely rude and haughty to me and my parents as we travelled through France and some of the Low Countries.

Europe's precolonial history was pretty blood-soaked, long before Muslims were welcomed into European societies and when European nations had more culturally homogeneous populations. The Hundred Years War, the Wars of Religion, the Great Northern War, the Seven Years War, the Wars of Successions, the French Revolution and the Revolutionary Wars, the Napoleonic Wars, etc. Muslims fought and died defending France and Britain in two world wars and since then have been peaceful and important contributors to the wealth and cultures of most European countries in which they reside. Europe is on the whole better off for their presence and citizenship. Xenophobic demonisation and prejudice notwithstanding.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Were your British-Pakistani friends from Rotherham?? I'm sure the 1,400 children sexually abused there by five "Pakis" would disagree with your assessment of middle easterners and would have welcomed some help from locals. Unfortunately, the local authorities were unwilling to accuse the men for fear of "upsetting" the local immigrants.
 
About as well as the natives. You do know the other recent attack was by a white nationalist, don't you?

We don't know who committed this one yet. I don't think anyone is denying Islamists should definitely be on the shortlist. But it's not like the nationalists have been peace-loving folk, around here.

Now if you could kindly stop using this attack as a cudgel for hackery, that'd be great.

Lol ! Hackery is equating White Nationalism with years of terror attacks all over rhe world and all done in the name of " Allah "

Reminds me of when Janet Napolitano issued a report warning of a rise in attacks from " Right Wing Groups " and Veterans returning from combat.

That was hackery. The Obama administration flew 400 million USD to Switzerland so it could be laundered and then flown to Iran which just happens to be the worlds leading sponsor of terror.

The Left sure have theit priorities screwed up
 
About as well as the natives. You do know the other recent attack was by a white nationalist, don't you?

We don't know who committed this one yet. I don't think anyone is denying Islamists should definitely be on the shortlist. But it's not like the nationalists have been peace-loving folk, around here.

Now if you could kindly stop using this attack as a cudgel for hackery, that'd be great.

I don't know about white nationalism in London, but I think no credible news source I have seen would describe Darren Osborne as a white nationalist. Drunk and mentally disturbed yes when he drove that van into people at a London mosque, but I don't believe there was nothing linking him to any organization, let alone white nationalists. Terrible, indefensible, tragic, yes, but not on the same level with the Islamic terrorists who are out to commit as much terror, chaos, murder, and mayhem as they can among random populations.

Was today's bombing attempt the work of Islamic terrorism? We won't know for sure until somebody takes credit for it or the bomber is identified. But it is reasonable to see this incident as having ISIS or other Islamic terrorist group all over it.
 
Were your British-Pakistani friends from Rotherham?? I'm sure the 1,400 children sexually abused there by five "Pakis" would disagree with your assessment of middle easterners and would have welcomed some help from locals. Unfortunately, the local authorities were unwilling to accuse the men for fear of "upsetting" the local immigrants.

Gill:

What bearing does Rotherham have on East Asian kids being beaten up in 1970's Bristol, a full generation before? No national group is without its sexual predators but that does not give others licence to attack innocent kids or adults on the street, just because they share a national heritage with some awful people. The Rotterham sexual assaults were horrible and only the guilty should be held accountable for these dreadful sexual assaults on young girls and boys. What a group of Pakistani predators did in Yorkshire in the 1990's and 2000's is no justification for attacking other innocent Pakistanis, East Asians or Muslims due to bigotry and hatred.

You are seemingly purposefully trying to stain a whole culture based on the behaviour of a band of sick perverts in one northern British city. That is racist hate mongering in my opinion and you should be ashamed of yourself for stooping so low. This is Debate Politics Forum and not Debased Politics Forum, so grow up and drop the racism and hate peddling. Sheesh! Some peoples' children!

Evilroddy.
 
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Fenton:

I'm curious if you have ever lived in Europe or Britain? I have and Muslims are fine friends and great neighbours. Having lived a rather sheltered life in Canada until I was 12 years of age, I first came into personal contact with virulent bigotry and hate-driven violence while I lived in Bristol, England for about 18 months. But the hate was directed at East Asian Muslims who were called "Pakis" and who were threatened and attacked for being from abroad, even though they were native Britons. I myself was beaten up on two occasions while trying to defend my targeted school mates from attack. The attackers in both cases were uniformly white Britons, Irish, Scots and one was a Russian. The kids they were targeting were fine folk from good families with strong moral character based on their Islamic faith.

I have also walked through French cities like Paris, Tours, Grenoble and Marsaille and have seen the Muslim neighbourhoods which Americans like to characterise as No-Go zones. I never had a problem with the folks in these neighbourhoods. They were polite and welcoming. I did have problems with pure-laine French who were routinely rude and haughty to me and my parents as we travelled through France and some of the Low Countries.

Europe's precolonial history was pretty blood-soaked, long before Muslims were welcomed into European societies and when European nations had more culturally homogeneous populations. The Hundred Years War, the Wars of Religion, the Great Northern War, the Seven Years War, the Wars of Successions, the French Revolution and the Revolutionary Wars, the Napoleonic Wars, etc. Muslims fought and died defending France and Britain in two world wars and since then have been peaceful and important contributors to the wealth and cultures of most European countries in which they reside. Europe is on the whole better off for their presence and citizenship. Xenophobic demonisation and prejudice notwithstanding.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

We have Muslims in the US too. My oldest daughter dated a Muslim and we had no problem with him or his religion.

We didnt see him as a Muslim, we just saw him as a good kid that treated our Daughter with the respect that she deserves.

Whats ironic is this proud Texas Conservative had no issue with their relationship. His parents on the other and did.
They forbade him to see her because she was a Christian and the only way to reconcile this issue was for her to convert. He snuck behind their backs and did it anyway but that absolutely pissed me off.

They expected her to deny her hertage, culture and beliefs and adopt theirs.

The idea that immigrants expect a host Nation to adhere to a set if beliefs thats inherently incompatible with Western principles of liberty and freedom and democracy is unconsionable.

That said, the existence of peaceful muslims doesnt negate this existence of this seemingly never ending jihadist threat, which is being done in the name of Allah

The rise in Islamic terror attacks in western europe can be directly tied to foolish and irresponsible policies that allowed in over a million unvetted Muslims from terrorist prone areas of the World.
Their leaders and the people responsible fotmr this should be held accountable
 
Lol ! Hackery is equating White Nationalism with years of terror attacks all over rhe world and all done in the name of " Allah "

Reminds me of when Janet Napolitano issued a report warning of a rise in attacks from " Right Wing Groups " and Veterans returning from combat.

That was hackery. The Obama administration flew 400 million USD to Switzerland so it could be laundered and then flown to Iran which just happens to be the worlds leading sponsor of terror.

The Left sure have theit priorities screwed up

Do you know why there are very few trash cans in central London? Literally, you can walk for half a mile without finding a trash can, it's annoying as hell.

Well, the reason for that is because the IRA liked to put bombs in them. Ya know, the whitest of white people.

London's history with terrorism comes from all kinds of places. I'm sorry if that doesn't fit your narrative about the evil brown people, but that's the reality of the matter.
 
We have Muslims in the US too. My oldest daughter dated a Muslim and we had no problem with him or his religion.

We didnt see him as a Muslim, we just saw him as a good kid that treated our Daughter with the respect that she deserves.

Whats ironic is this proud Texas Conservative had no issue with their relationship. His parents on the other and did.
They forbade him to see her because she was a Christian and the only way to reconcile this issue was for her to convert. He snuck behind their backs and did it anyway but that absolutely pissed me off.

They expected her to deny her hertage, culture and beliefs and adopt theirs.

The idea that immigrants expect a host Nation to adhere to a set if beliefs thats inherently incompatible with Western principles of liberty and freedom and democracy is unconsionable.

That said, the existence of peaceful muslims doesnt negate this existence of this seemingly never ending jihadist threat, which is being done in the name of Allah

The rise in Islamic terror attacks in western europe can be directly tied to foolish and irresponsible policies that allowed in over a million unvetted Muslims from terrorist prone areas of the World.
Their leaders and the people responsible fotmr this should be held accountable

Fenton:

My American Catholic mum was forced out of her New York Cathoilic community for deciding to marry a non-practicing Presbyterian Scottish Canadian man - my father. Social ostracism by her Catholic community in NYC and even from some of her more dogmatic family members drove her north to Canada. She was a proud US Army veteran nurse of WWII who served in Britain, France and Germany but she was driven from her home town by religious bigotry and inflexible dogma. Muslims are not alone in this vice. American Catholics, Mormons, Jews and Muslims with rigid doctrinal beliefs all do this in America and regrettably Canada too.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Do you know why there are very few trash cans in central London? Literally, you can walk for half a mile without finding a trash can, it's annoying as hell.

Well, the reason for that is because the IRA liked to put bombs in them. Ya know, the whitest of white people.

London's history with terrorism comes from all kinds of places. I'm sorry if that doesn't fit your narrative about the evil brown people, but that's the reality of the matter.

Again, your'e desperately trying to mitigate these attacks which is highly irresponsible in itself

This wasnt a IRA bomb, or a bomb set off by a White supremist. It WAS another Islamist murdered randomly targeting innocent civillians and he did in the name of Allah

False equivalencies isnt going to make this go away. The exponential rise in Islamic terror in Western Europe can be directly attributed to policies that allowed millions of unvetted refugees to stream in from terror prone regions of the world.

Leaders like Merkel and Hollande should be held accountable for their policies. It was beyond irresponsible to open their borders to these people, many of which were young men who have no plans to conform to the values of their Western European host nations.
 
Again, your'e desperately trying to mitigate these attacks which is highly irresponsible in itself

This wasnt a IRA bomb, or a bomb set off by a White supremist. It WAS another Islamist murdered randomly targeting innocent civillians and he did in the name of Allah

False equivalencies isnt going to make this go away. The exponential rise in Islamic terror in Western Europe can be directly attributed to policies that allowed millions of unvetted refugees to stream in from terror prone regions of the world.

Leaders like Merkel and Hollande should be held accountable for their policies. It was beyond irresponsible to open their borders to these people, many of which were young men who have no plans to conform to the values of their Western European host nations.

The Britush PM is not happy with Donald's tweets. Gen. Kelly must be out of town ...
 
Again, your'e desperately trying to mitigate these attacks which is highly irresponsible in itself

This wasnt a IRA bomb, or a bomb set off by a White supremist. It WAS another Islamist murdered randomly targeting innocent civillians and he did in the name of Allah

False equivalencies isnt going to make this go away. The exponential rise in Islamic terror in Western Europe can be directly attributed to policies that allowed millions of unvetted refugees to stream in from terror prone regions of the world.

Leaders like Merkel and Hollande should be held accountable for their policies. It was beyond irresponsible to open their borders to these people, many of which were young men who have no plans to conform to the values of their Western European host nations.

I'm not even denying that, apart from that we know this was an Islamist. We don't -- they're still trying to figure out possible suspects. And even within the last few months, we've had terrorists who WEREN'T Islamists.

I'm saying your idea that all terrorism in Europe is by Islamists is absurdly ignorant. It simply isn't.
 
The Britush PM is not happy with Donald's tweets. Gen. Kelly must be out of town ...

The British PM should focus more on her and her predecessors irresponsible policies that enabled these jihadi scum to murder innocent people and less on Trumps tweets
 
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