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Clinton laments how Benghazi tragedy hurt her politically

Absentglare said:
I don't think you understood my response. Their text doesn't support your claim. Notice how i'm not accusing them of lying?
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“This has been a difficult week for the State Department and for our country. We’ve seen the heavy assault on our post in Benghazi that took the lives of those brave men. We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over n awful Internet video that we had nothing to do with. It is hard for the American people to make sense of that because it is senseless, and it is totally unacceptable.”

— Clinton, transfer of remains ceremony, Sept. 14

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...d6c7f20a83bf_blog.html?utm_term=.1a6ed8bab67f
 
Mithros said:
Yes.

Read the way they support and defend him. "But Hillary" is a common refrain. Yes Hillary has been treated unfairly and misogyny is a big part of that. But lets not pretend that's the only factor at play. The Clintons have this way of always making you feel dirty and compromised. The rules never seem to apply to them, there's always a technicality that they've exploited. They make you feel like they're getting away with something. That's not a result of her being targeted unfairly, it's part of who they are.
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Well you know the old adage in propaganda that if you keep saying something, no matter how outlandish and untrue, eventually people are going to buy it? That's sort of what has happened to Hillary. Bill's infidelities are somehow supposed to be her problem. Somehow a benign fibbing about dodging gunfire in former Yugoslavia is somehow the equivalent, or somehow even worse than, the vicious, malignant, mean-spirited lies about Obama's birth certificate for 8 years straight, or Muslims celebrating on NJ rooftops on 9/11, or Trump Tower having been wiretapped.

Your "feeling" is more a reflection of the tremendous success of rightwing propaganda machine than the actual reality of the matter.

"If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself."
-Josef Goebbels, director of Nazi Propaganda

"All this was inspired by the principle – which is quite true in itself – that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes."
-Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf
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jmotivator said:
Indeed.

By the way, how many children die of the common cold in the US for lack of available medical treatment?
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That's because we currently have a strong socialist healthcare safety net currently for children in this country. Are you OK with that? Why or why not? Would you like to get rid of it and just leave them up to the free market?
 
ataraxia said:
That's because we currently have a strong socialist healthcare safety net currently for children in this country. Are you OK with that? Why or why not? Would you like to get rid of it and just leave them up to the free market?
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They haven't been left to the free market in this country either. A national healthcare system doesn't stop people from dying to complications from the common cold, as my article demonstrated.

I asked you for statistics. How many children die from the common cold in the US for lack of medical treatment?
 
jmotivator said:
They haven't been left to the free market in this country either. A national healthcare system doesn't stop people from dying to complications from the common cold, as my article demonstrated.

I asked you for statistics. How many children die from the common cold in the US for lack of medical treatment?
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Not many. But that's under our current socialist system. You would like to change it.

We don't have a socialist system for our adults, especially before 2009. So that might be a good control group for comparison. As of 2009, 45,000 American adults were dying, every single year, due to lack of access to healthcare- left to the free market.

So you want to switch the kids to that system too?
 
As far as I know this was a military failure. That is, the WH gave orders and via the chain of command, those orders were not acted upon.

Reminder, the military does not take orders from the State Department.

Clinton's initial explanation (video) was a miscalculation in timing. She needed to wait for the official explanation before speaking. This was the genesis of her Benghazi problem.
 
hanger4 said:
“This has been a difficult week for the State Department and for our country. We’ve seen the heavy assault on our post in Benghazi that took the lives of those brave men. We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over n awful Internet video that we had nothing to do with. It is hard for the American people to make sense of that because it is senseless, and it is totally unacceptable.”

— Clinton, transfer of remains ceremony, Sept. 14

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...d6c7f20a83bf_blog.html?utm_term=.1a6ed8bab67f
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Yeah, that was in response to the actual protests to the video that were occurring all over the place.

On September 13, protests occurred at the U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen, resulting in the deaths of four protesters and injuries to thirty-five protesters and guards. On September 14, the U.S. consulate in Chennai was attacked, resulting in injuries to twenty-five protesters.[14] Protesters in Tunis, Tunisia, climbed the U.S. embassy walls and set trees on fire. At least four people were killed and forty-six injured during protests in Tunis on September 15.[6] Further protests were held at U.S. diplomatic missions and other locations in the days following the initial attacks. Related protests and attacks resulted in numerous deaths and injuries across the Middle East, Africa, Pakistan and Afghanistan.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_Innocence_of_Muslims

Do you understand that embassies is plural here: "We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful Internet video that we had nothing to do with," ?
 
ataraxia said:
Not many. But that's under our current socialist system. You would like to change it.
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You like to make a lot of assumptions without foundation, but let me keep chasing you down here: What was the last year that we didn't have a socialist healthcare system and what were the number of children that died from the common cold. Then tell me how many children died in the years after Medicaid from the same cause.

We don't have a socialist system for our adults, especially before 2009. So that might be a good control group for comparison. As of 2009, 45,000 American adults were dying, every single year, due to lack of access to healthcare- left to the free market.
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I'm aware of that study. Now show me that the life expectancy of impoverished adults has actually declined. It would be interesting if it actually did decline since the aggregate life expectancy of Americans actually dropped in that time.

Anyway, I am aware of what the ESTIMATE was by the Harvard Study in 2009, which also happens to be a far outlier of all such studies up to that point, but you can't use old estimates to draw factual conclusions for a claim that now has real data. What is the real data?

So you want to switch the kids to that system too?
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Do you want to provide actual evidence or not?
 
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Absentglare said:
Your assessment is incorrect. She cited Benghazi explicitly and she cited the protests at our embassIES explicitly.
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Which had absolutely nothing to do with Benghazi unless she meant to imply, and she obviously did.
 
hanger4 said:
Which had absolutely nothing to do with Benghazi unless she meant to imply, and she obviously did.
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It had to do with it being a difficult week. Did you ever read the statement?
 
American said:
Clinton laments how Benghazi tragedy hurt her politically | Fox News


You know, it takes a special kind of stupid to bring this up again. There is no plus to this, except to reveal more damaging information or sink her further into being the poster child for corruption. Now she's got the families pissed off; not a good idea. Read the article and you'll see. All she accomplished during that ordeal, and now, was to demonstrate she doesn't have what it takes to be Commander-in-Chief.

And then, the coup de gras, was that she thinks that she really didn't **** up her presidential campaign. :doh
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Remember when Clinton was the one who railed against certain other people for being divisive, hurting the Democratic party, who wouldn't help candidates, and was an holding on to grudges?

Yeah, I do, too.
 
You Righties sure do have a boner for that lady, it borders on pathological. Sad truth, Hilldog still tells less lies than the Liar in Chief. And she still got the popular vote lol
 
Absentglare said:
Is that a no? Go back and read it already. It doesn't prove your point and i've explained why.
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Whatever, HRC lied, the entire Obama administration lied about it. It's done, all know and only hyper-partisans argue about it.
 
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