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White House: Border Wall Funding Doesn't Have To Be Tied To DACA Bill

... This would be the one who publicly threatened "to spill the beans on [an opponents] wife!"?

He's not even trying to negotiate. He's just losing.

And it's unfortunate for the country. But darkly humorous for those of us who saw it coming. :)

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He's also the guy who told Comey that he better hope there aren't any secret tapes of their meeting what... like 2 days before the guy was going to go before Congress? Blackmailing is natural to Trump.
 

And you seem upset he worked with -----gasp democrats!!!!one

Well why would someone be so upset he worked with democrats and call it surrendering, well because in the democrats decline and their looking like they will fail the 2018 elections, they found a hope, actually a very big one.

What would happen if tomorrow republicans still fight, and democrats in the house create a repeal and replace bill that actually works, what if they end up being to driving force to get trumps wall built, what if they actually negotiate with him and get tax reform passed.

At the end of the day, democrats stomping their feet and pouting about losing the presidency makes them losers, but if they can not only pass trumps reforms while negotiating in their own reforms, they suddenly become winners and the republicans losers. Face it republicans ran on repeal or repeal and replace for the longest time, and it would be the biggest insult if that happened but it was trump and democrats who made it happen making republicans in congres look like fools.
 
He's also the guy who told Comey that he better hope there aren't any secret tapes of their meeting what... like 2 days before the guy was going to go before Congress? Blackmailing is natural to Trump.
Blackmailing badly, tho, to be fair.

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Blackmailing badly, tho, to be fair.

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I just laugh at MaggieD's unending defense of this guy. Just be happy we don't have a president who blackmails! As if Obama was going on Twitter and telling people that he's going to release damaging information on people unless he gets his way. Good grief, the reason Trump didn't blackmail anyone this time, is probably because there was nobody to blackmail! Who was he going to go after? Pelosi? Schumer? How exactly would he have blackmailed them if he doesn't understand the nuances of the legislation he is discussing?
 
And you seem upset he worked with -----gasp democrats!!!!one

Well why would someone be so upset he worked with democrats and call it surrendering, well because in the democrats decline and their looking like they will bomb 2018 elections, they found a hope, actually a very big one.

What would happen if tomorrow republicans still fight, and democrats in the house create a repeal and replace bill that actually works, what if they end up being to driving force to get trumps wall built, what if they actually negotiate with him and get tax reform passed.

At the end of the day, democrats stomping their feet and pouting about losing the presidency makes them losers, but if they can not only pass trumps reforms while negotiating in their own reforms, they suddenly become winners and the republicans losers. Face it republicans ran on repeal or repeal and replace for the longest time, and it would be the biggest insult if that happened but it was trump and democrats who made it happen making republicans in congres look like fools.

...Democrats are going to repeal and replace Obamacare because Trump surrendered to them on DACA, the wall, and the debt ceiling.

.... Alright. I'm convinced. We need to get serious about the opioid epidemic in this country.

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I just laugh at MaggieD's unending defense of this guy. Just be happy we don't have a president who blackmails! As if Obama was going on Twitter and telling people that he's going to release damaging information on people unless he gets his way.
Obama's defenders were often just as dedicated as Trump's. Personality Cults gotta Cult.

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...Democrats are going to repeal and replace Obamacare because Trump surrendered to them on DACA, the wall, and the debt ceiling.

.... Alright. I'm convinced. We need to get serious about the opioid epidemic in this country.

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Admit it is true though, the repeal and replace was the rallying call of republicans, and if democrats can pass that bill that republicans til now have not, that would be the ultimate slap in the face to the republicans, making them look weak and incompetent, and make the democrats look strong in upcoming elections.

What you fail to see is he surrendered on the debt ceiling to pass emergency relief funds, the republicans were widely fighting eachother over it while the democrats were in lockstep over the issue. This can be the same across his other agendas, where so long as the democrats get what they want, they will give trump what he wants.
 
Admit it is true though, the repeal and replace was the rallying call of republicans, and if democrats can pass that bill that republicans til now have not, that would be the ultimate slap in the face to the republicans, making them look weak and incompetent, and make the democrats look strong in upcoming elections.

With the possible exception of Trump coming out in favor of single payer / Medicare-for-all, this is about as likely as the Freedom Caucus deciding to support a top marginal income tax rate of 100%.

But you think Trump is likely to get Democrats to abandon Obamacare by proving that they don't need to give up anything to get whatever they want from him.

Okedoke.


What you fail to see is her surrendered on the debt ceiling to pass emergency relief funds

Those funds were going to be passed regardless. Trump just gave Democrats their opening bid.

So much for the Great Negotiator.

so long as the democrats get what they want, they will give trump what he wants.

Good Press.

Yes, I think you are likely right on that one.


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If "surrender" is what it took to get an immediate bill passed through both houses? Then I'm glad he "surrendered." And you should be, too.

The point is, that is not what it would have taken. Democrats wanted a 3 month extension for max leverage, republicans wanted 18 months, putting it after the midterm so they could best avoid taking a position. 6 to 9 months would have been easy, could have been gotten in that very meeting without giving up anything. Instead, Trump, instead of negotiating, gave democrats their initial bid.
 
With the possible exception of Trump coming out in favor of single payer / Medicare-for-all, this is about as likely as the Freedom Caucus deciding to support a top marginal income tax rate of 100%.

But you think Trump is likely to get Democrats to abandon Obamacare by proving that they don't need to give up anything to get whatever they want from him.

Okedoke.




Those funds were going to be passed regardless. Trump just gave Democrats their opening bid.

So much for the Great Negotiator.



Good Press.

Yes, I think you are likely right on that one.


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Well trump likely could get democrats to go along with it, claim obamacare was a start but flawed and introduce a repeal and replace that installs a new better bill, simple as that. Heck you seem to forget lately the house minority leader pelosi not only worked with trump, but has denounced the violent left win anarchist socialist antifa while many other left wingers stay neutral or defend them. I am seeing some members of the democratic party caving in and ignoring the resistance, all it takes is more to join them they are realizing that opposing everything trump is not working while working with trump in a way they also move their agenda works much better.


Those funds likely would have been passed, but through much fighting and multiple bills, at this point to be completely honest the republicans in congress probably have 17 bills deciding which direction is north, with zero bills having a chance of passing, this is just pointing out how divided they are right now.
 
Well trump likely could get democrats to go along with it, claim obamacare was a start but flawed and introduce a repeal and replace that installs a new better bill, simple as that. Heck you seem to forget lately the house minority leader pelosi not only worked with trump, but has denounced the violent left win anarchist socialist antifa while many other left wingers stay neutral or defend them. I am seeing some members of the democratic party caving in and ignoring the resistance, all it takes is more to join them they are realizing that opposing everything trump is not working while working with trump in a way they also move their agenda works much better.


Those funds likely would have been passed, but through much fighting and multiple bills, at this point to be completely honest the republicans in congress probably have 17 bills deciding which direction is north, with zero bills having a chance of passing, this is just pointing out how divided they are right now.

...Ladies and Gentlemen, prosecution rests. It's a personality cult, not tied to any policy issue. Whatsoever.

"Worked with Trump" :roll:. She told Trump what to do, and he did it, because it caused the Main Stream Media to say nice things about him.

Gonna laugh and laugh at the TruCon folks who spent months insisting Trump was the Real Deal when he decides he likes being a Democrat better.
 
Wish the president wouldn't cave in and do what any sane country does... deports their illegals and tries to properly defend and protect their border.
 
...Ladies and Gentlemen, prosecution rests. It's a personality cult, not tied to any policy issue. Whatsoever.

"Worked with Trump" :roll:. She told Trump what to do, and he did it, because it caused the Main Stream Media to say nice things about him.

Gonna laugh and laugh at the TruCon folks who spent months insisting Trump was the Real Deal when he decides he likes being a Democrat better.

Well cult of personality does not really apply here, if you believe it does might need to use google, it is your friend.

Two she did not tell trump what to do, trump decided emergency relief was more important that partisan bickery, and the democrats gave him what he wanted, simple as that, if the republicans had offered it he would have had no issue going with them.

The trucon, never heard of them, I assume you mean true conservative, in which case if they believed trump was a real conservative they were mistaken. Trump is a moderate populist, or how I like to call him a radical moderate, he does not fall under the left or the right, but even the issues he is moderate on he takes to the extreme.

In the end trump will do what benefits him, his voters, and the idea he has for this country, he never has been a man for political loyalty, he switched from democrat to republican just over conveniance, which says enough that he does not care what party he works with so long as he gets what he wants.
 
Well cult of personality does not really apply here, if you believe it does might need to use google, it is your friend.

I'm familiar. We've seen it with the last two Presidents. Devotion to the man for the sake of devotion to the man.

Two she did not tell trump what to do

No, she literally told him what to do, and he then literally then went and did it.

trump decided emergency relief was more important that partisan bickery

No, he decided he liked good press, which you get by acting like a Democrat. Which is why he was so effusive over it with Schumer and Pelosi afterwards.

The trucon, never heard of them, I assume you mean true conservative, in which case if they believed trump was a real conservative they were mistaken.

A point I made constantly; he is and has always been a big-government liberal.

In the end trump will do what benefits him, his voters, and the idea he has for this country

Yeah? And what is that, exactly?


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I'm familiar. We've seen it with the last two Presidents. Devotion to the man for the sake of devotion to the man.



No, she literally told him what to do, and he then literally then went and did it.



No, he decided he liked good press, which you get by acting like a Democrat. Which is why he was so effusive over it with Schumer and Pelosi afterwards.



A point I made constantly; he is and has always been a big-government liberal.



Yeah? And what is that, exactly?


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Yes we have seen a cult of personality before, trump does not much fit that description though, as he has been attacked by every corner of the media since before he even won the election, he seems to lack the cult of personality, rather he has a strong but in the minority group of followers, them moderates republicans etc who voted for him for one reason or another, many of his voters do not adore everything he does, heck I hated when he attacked syria over a chemical attack off a whim instead of waiting for evidence.


So pelosi told him what to do, do you have any proof to expand this argument?
 
He is not acting like a moderate liberal either. He is acting like Zyphlin's description of the alt-right, wanting lower taxes, bigger military, fewer regulations, with immigration being his most important issue(Zyphlin's definition included some more, but with no power here, phones small screen and running low on charge, I am not searching for it).

Power finally cane back online not two hours ago here. Any idea when you'll be back in business?
 
Power finally cane back online not two hours ago here. Any idea when you'll be back in business?

No clue. Was not expecting it to be out this long.
 
:shrug: He's an NYC liberal. None of this is surprising.
Trump was never conservative, much less a big C type, he was always for lower corporate taxes, "good (illegal?) hombres" and more spending but many imagined him to be conservative simply for choosing to run under the "R" label.

When a large majority of the conservative base chooses Trump out of a lineup and says "Him! THAT is our guy! He stands for our values and we want him in the White House", then you guys own him and don't get to push him off into other groups.
 
When a large majority of the conservative base chooses Trump out of a lineup and says "Him! THAT is our guy! He stands for our values and we want him in the White House", then you guys own him and don't get to push him off into other groups.

Yeah. When we NeverTrump types had been raising the same objection to him since the beginning, yes, yes we do.
 
Yeah. When we NeverTrump types had been raising the same objection to him since the beginning, yes, yes we do.

Then you can push the blame onto the actual Trump voters and not try to make him a "liberal". What he is now is far more important than what he used to be.
 
When a large majority of the conservative base chooses Trump out of a lineup and says "Him! THAT is our guy! He stands for our values and we want him in the White House", then you guys own him and don't get to push him off into other groups.

Not so, because I don't own anyone that I did not vote for either in the primary or general elections. I voted for Rubio in the TX primary and Johnson in the general election and suspect that you do not say that liberals owned Hillary simply because she emerged as the demorat POTUS candidate.
 
Not so, because I don't own anyone that I did not vote for either in the primary or general elections. I voted for Rubio in the TX primary and Johnson in the general election and suspect that you do not say that liberals owned Hillary simply because she emerged as the demorat POTUS candidate.

Liberals / democrats / the left bear responsibility for Clinton in the same way that conservatives / republicans / the right bear responsibility for Trump. You may not like him, but a whole lot of the conservative base does. Then again you're a self-labeled Libertarian so that's not you anyways, so who cares?
 
President Trump does what the Democrats want and they still criticize him. That just shows how deeply the anti-Trump runs with them.
 
Liberals / democrats / the left bear responsibility for Clinton in the same way that conservatives / republicans / the right bear responsibility for Trump. You may not like him, but a whole lot of the conservative base does. Then again you're a self-labeled Libertarian so that's not you anyways, so who cares?

I only cared because you quoted me and accused me of "owning" Trump.
 
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