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Antifa, far-right protesters clash again in Portland, disrupting peaceful rallies

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Most people were protesting peacefully, but within minutes some antifa activists began lighting smoke bombs and hurling objects at police. One counterprotester sprayed officers with a fire extinguisher, according to Willamette Week, while others fought with some of the Patriot Prayer supporters who turned out.

I think there's a word for people in black masks and coats who use violence to further their political aims.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ting-peaceful-rallies/?utm_term=.934fbc5ffacc
 
Antifa needs to be stopped, this is out of control. They are in violation of the first amendment.
 
Maybe they should change their Dress Code to White Dresses and White Hoods ... that should make it AlWhite.
 
Antifa should really stop challenging the police, they keep getting their asses kicked. Well they get their asses kicked no matter who they engage. This last time in Spain the cops had em on the run:
 
Antifa should really stop challenging the police, they keep getting their asses kicked. Well they get their asses kicked no matter who they engage. This last time in Spain the cops had em on the run:


They know they can't beat the police. That's not really the point. The point is to cause enough destruction to shut down the rightist demos, draw attention to the event and resistance through media exposure (they don't care whether it is positive exposure), and hopefully (to them) **** up some right wingers and maybe police in the process. From one resource on black bloc tactics:

At Demonstrations

It is by virtue of the uncompromising militancy of this (our) Bloc that Liberal demonstrations are transformed into insurrectionary happenings. By physically defending ourselves against State (police) attacks, we add a serious dimension to an otherwise timid movement. By effectively defending non-violent protesters against the assaults of the police (such as at the A16 action in DC) we demonstrate the extra-symbolic power of the people while increasing the relative effectiveness of the overall action. By attacking and destroying Capitalist private property (such as in the Battle of Seattle) we go beyond rhetoric and actually inflict real material damage upon the urban out-posts of the oppressive and totally uninteresting commodified empire of the new Capitalists. By our method we transform indecisiveness and restraint into REAL action.

Those upper middle class Pacifists who clamor that we are wrong by virtue of our demonstrated principles should be reminded that the only legitimate goal of mass demonstrations is to effect relevant social and revolutionary change for the benefit of the working class, poor, and declassed peoples. It is not, nor never should ever be, to be arrested and brutally beaten for the sake of some vain association with Gandhi or Martin Luther King Jr. Furthermore, let us all reflect upon the fact that India today is presently in shambles due to continued Capitalist exploitation, and the American blacks are still treated as second-class citizens by the State apparatus and plutocracy alike. These are travesties that only a genuine and victorious international revolutionary Anarchist movement, utilizing both violent and non-violent methods, will be able to fully rectify.

It is in this very real context that we fight. We will not, nor should we, compromise our hatred or love any more than we will compromise our goal of complete social revolution, Anarchy, and the dream of all of humanity unshackled from the chains which are both seen and unseen.

We make no apologies.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/lib...collective-black-bloc-tactics-communique#toc7
 
They know they can't beat the police. That's not really the point. The point is to cause enough destruction to shut down the rightist demos, draw attention to the event and resistance through media exposure (they don't care whether it is positive exposure), and hopefully (to them) **** up some right wingers and maybe police in the process. From one resource on black bloc tactics:

So basically cause chaos?
 
Maybe they should change their Dress Code to White Dresses and White Hoods ... that should make it AlWhite.

So, you think that changing the dress code would make it a-ok to attack people of a prayer group assembled to legally voice their views, and assault them? Why?
 
By the reaction to Trump's comments on right and left violence the antifa people were encouraged. We are now seeing the crop of years nurturing liberal overshoot come in.

I don't think it has anything to do with Trump, other than he is a convenient excuse...This college bred movement of intolerant jack asses is fascism itself.
 
They know they can't beat the police. That's not really the point. The point is to cause enough destruction to shut down the rightist demos, draw attention to the event and resistance through media exposure (they don't care whether it is positive exposure), and hopefully (to them) **** up some right wingers and maybe police in the process. From one resource on black bloc tactics:

Considering that Gandhi and MLK both accomplished their goals while this "Black Bloc" definitely has not, the sneering tone they use amuses me greatly
 
So, you think that changing the dress code would make it a-ok to attack people of a prayer group assembled to legally voice their views, and assault them? Why?

No but I thought the irony was quite funny.
 
Considering that Gandhi and MLK both accomplished their goals while this "Black Bloc" definitely has not, the sneering tone they use amuses me greatly

It is interesting that these black bloc people have been a constant nuisance for a long time, yet only now are people creating a fuss about them.
 
It is interesting that these black bloc people have been a constant nuisance for a long time, yet only now are people creating a fuss about them.

People were creating a fuss about them way back when too. They just didn't call them "black bloc".
 
It is interesting that these black bloc people have been a constant nuisance for a long time, yet only now are people creating a fuss about them.

They haven't been causing a ruckus for a long time. They started causing a ruckus after Hillary lost the election even though she cheated.
 
Antifa needs to be stopped, this is out of control. They are in violation of the first amendment.

They should be arrested and not only charged with assault, vandalism, etc, but also have civil rights violation charges brought against them. Open them up to full civil suits as well and not just from the parties they caused direct harm to nut also the parties they are attempting to silence and deprive of their civil rights.
 
Considering that Gandhi and MLK both accomplished their goals while this "Black Bloc" definitely has not, the sneering tone they use amuses me greatly

Their points about Gandhi and MLK are that they didn't actually accomplish their goals. And in many ways that's true.
 
People were creating a fuss about them way back when too. They just didn't call them "black bloc".

They haven't been causing a ruckus for a long time. They started causing a ruckus after Hillary lost the election even though she cheated.

Black bloc specifically goes back to the 80's, and perhaps earlier. This didn't start after the election by any means, it's just getting more airplay. And people weren't making as much of a fuss as they are now. It's because the right has been building this narrative of liberal PC culture leading to totalitarianism, and these small groups of anarchists (really completely insignificant in the broader scope of things) is a great way for them to point at the "personification" of such an ideology, and its ulimate conclusion.

This is, of course, laughable to anyone that knows anything about black bloc considering that it's a bunch of anarchists that hate liberals more than the right. To equivocate between the two, to them, is hilarious.
 
I think there's a word for people in black masks and coats who use violence to further their political aims.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ting-peaceful-rallies/?utm_term=.934fbc5ffacc

Even though the people hold their rally were peaceful, Antifa...as is their modus operandi...just called them "fascists" and "nazis" and that was all the justification they needed to beat people, attack cops, etc.

Yes...there IS a word for them...and Obama already identified them. They are domestic terrorists.
 
The funny part is these white supremacists, Neo-Nazis, KKK members, etc, get all the attention in the media as this gigantic, monstrous base that got Trump and other Republicans elected, but yet, they don't have the numbers to even influence a small town mayor election, let alone a Presidential election. They also make them out to be right wingers, but even others on the right discredit them because they are that vile. Fun Fact: these members were either heavily influenced or created by the Democrat Party. As bad as those people are, Antifa is far worse. They are creating chaos, destroying property, and causing violence wherever they go. The media is championing these people as heroes and peaceful activists who are small in number, who want nothing but the best for our nation. If violence must be committed, it's for a good cause, or that's what the media wants us to believe. When you see Antifa, you're seeing the true base of the Democrat Party, not these mislead, naïve, gullible, not paying attention to the news, low information types. They're simply trying to make them the new base, while keeping the whack jobs as reserves.
 
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