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60 Minutes Interview: Steve Bannon

Long ago, while working in a call center, I took a call from a Muslim customer who demanded that I remove the interest charges from a bill which was long past due. He told me I had to do this because he was a Muslim and charging of Interest was a sin in Islam according to him. I told him very firmly that if he didn't believe in being charged interest, then HE SHOULD PAY HIS BILLS ON TIME.

Islam isn't a race - it's a belief system. Do you really think that Irish or Italians would talk that way?

"You gotta do this for me, because... Italy" :roll:

Are you kidding me?

There's an old saying about letting a camel poke its nose into your tent - if that happens, then soon he'll have his entire fat ass in there - and your tent will collapse.

People cannot trample on America's values in the name of ethnicity. If you can't harmonize your beliefs with the rest of America, then you're the problem, not the rest of America.

Seriously? That comment is why Muslims are a problem? Fyi, Catholic Church used to preach the same thing. Reason why Jews loaned money back in Shylock's time. But you're right our decline started with Muhammad Ali's conversion.

Look up what they said about Catholics back in the day, pal. But you are right about us Italians. No way we would ever come to a country and import our anti-American ideas. My uncle Louie R loaned money the American way, charging exorbitant interest. And, of course he ran women on the side. Just like in the old country. But he harmonized his beliefs.

Immigrants change America and are changed by it. It's glorious.
 
None of the dozens of books on the issue that I own, point towards any political leaning regarding Native American history.

Native Americans were just as brutal to each other as any European.

Get a clue before you add any snark in the future, because you sure as hell didn't show any clue just now.

Obviously, a complete moral justification for breaking treaties, taking their land, as Europeans never fought among themselves.
 
Immigrants change America and are changed by it. It's glorious.

If the changes being brought to America now include specially protected ethnic classes and suppression categories like "hate speech" then the changes being wrought on America aren't worth it. If the arguments are based on Squatter Mentality and "right" of illegal entry, then they don't bode well for the country.

A nation is subject to physical limits - no nation has infinite room to keep infinitely importing people - that's a physical impossibility.
Too much of anything is bad for you. Ideals can't overrule physics.

National sovereignty matters - nobody should be force-fed immigrants against their will, and the intense browbeating and ethnic-baiting against immigration critics is an attempt to impose this force-feeding. It's beyond the pale.
 
If the changes being brought to America now include specially protected ethnic classes and suppression categories like "hate speech" then the changes being wrought on America aren't worth it. If the arguments are based on Squatter Mentality and "right" of illegal entry, then they don't bode well for the country.

A nation is subject to physical limits - no nation has infinite room to keep infinitely importing people - that's a physical impossibility.
Too much of anything is bad for you. Ideals can't overrule physics.

National sovereignty matters - nobody should be force-fed immigrants against their will, and the intense browbeating and ethnic-baiting against immigration critics is an attempt to impose this force-feeding. It's beyond the pale.

With respect, what is your solution? Obama deported such numbers of illegals he was called the "deporter-in-chief" by advocates. He put special emphasis on "criminal aliens." Illegal immigration is generally down, and a significant part of it, overlooked in Trump's rants, are visa overstayers, not dark-skinned rapists from Mexico. Obama's DACA policy made sense, and if Congress doesn't legislate something, I predict Trump will do the right thing, or else face chaos.

My larger point is that there has always been a freak out by part of the US over immigration, with fears that today's newcomers are qualitatively different than yesterday's, which were qualitatively different than the day before yesterday's. (Look at the anti-Sharia law absurdity.).

True, globalization has led to capital traveling across borders while labor cannot and thus loses out. Trump was on to something, but is unlikely to support labor in ways that will make the jobs that illegals do attractive to citizens and residents, and thus less available to illegals, thus slowing migration. You are right about sovereignty and limits. But we are also addicted to cheap labor. We like cheaper meals in our restaurants, cheaper hotel rooms, lower construction costs, the subsidy that illegal laborers provide.

And who are the "specially protected ethnic classes"? The laws on discrimination are neutral in language, and were passed in the 60s, well before the latest surge in immigration. Hate speech will exist and be protected (outside some of the silliness on campuses I read about) so long as we have an ACLU. There will be tough judgement calls, but there have always been.

Check out "A Nation of Strangers" by Ellis Cose.
 
How Bannon turned the tables on liberals
Rose went for the kill with solemn accusations about President Trump's post-Charlottesville remarks which seemed to encourage neo-Nazis and white supremacists. But Bannon shrugged those tiny groups off as "irrelevant," implying that liberalism must be in pretty bad shape if it has to elevate a few thousand marginal characters into a national political force to justify its indignation.
That tactic has intimidated Republican leaders for years, of course, and it has frustrated right-leaning voters. But Bannon just doesn't care and he says so: "I don't care what they say. They can call me an anti-Semite, they can call me a racist . . .," so long as Trump is heading the agenda.
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This is political hardball, a game the left has played relentlessly ever since "the personal is political" became an axiom of conduct a half-century ago. The advent of Donald Trump and his crusty, canny lieutenant Steve Bannon evens up the teams.
How Bannon turned the tables on liberals (opinion) - CNN

Slightly interesting that CNN is hosting this view, but what a right-on view it is.

Bannon is the real deal, which comes as not shock to me given that Trump likes him.
 
Mr. Bannon believes in the Rule of Man rather than the Rule of Law. His first allegiance is to the personal relationships between leaders and followers and not to morals and principles. His argument that when you swear fealty and do homage to a patron like President Trump, you must support him without reservation, whether the leader is right or wrong is so dangerous. For then you create the conditions for a brutish cult of personality and a mafia-like, cosa nostra, political junta rather than a responsible government which is answerable to the electorate. The man is a dangerous throw-back to the Dark Ages when the Pax Romana disintegrated and personal relationships replaced principle as the basis for law and justice. Beware of Bannon and like-minded drones who attach themselves to others for better or for worse. Such blind political marriage is a great threat to democracy and liberty.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Morning.
Noted you used the book term Pax Romana, just checked it out from the library, by Adrian Goldsworth. Excellent reading.
 
Morning.
Noted you used the book term Pax Romana, just checked it out from the library, by Adrian Goldsworth. Excellent reading.

JANFU:

Good morning to you too. I was not aware of the Goldsworth book. I had the phrase "Pax Romana" drilled into my head in grade school Latin and History classes many, many years ago. Now I drill it in to young minds myself to keep the cycle of myth/history alive in a new generation or two. I will give the Goldsworth book a look myself. Thanks for the reference.

Salve!
Evilroddy.
 
JANFU:

Good morning to you too. I was not aware of the Goldsworth book. I had the phrase "Pax Romana" drilled into my head in grade school Latin and History classes many, many years ago. Now I drill it in to young minds myself to keep the cycle of myth/history alive in a new generation or two. I will give the Goldsworth book a look myself. Thanks for the reference.

Salve!
Evilroddy.

Misspelled the last name Adrian Goldsworthy. Was an avid reader growing up, in particular Roman -Greek-Egyptian history and such.
I have the feeling you can recall the green and white encyclopedias from the 60's?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Goldsworthy
 
Misspelled the last name Adrian Goldsworthy. Was an avid reader growing up, in particular Roman -Greek-Egyptian history and such.
I have the feeling you can recall the green and white encyclopedias from the 60's?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Goldsworthy

JANFU:

Well, I'm looking pretty stupid right now. I had forgotten that I have two of his books on my bookshelves. One is on the Punic Wars and the other is on a Military History/Analysis of Roman warfare. I bought them years ago through the History Book Club IIRC. I looked into Pax Rommana and will head down to the library to check it out. But I've got quite a stack of books piled up beside the bed to get through so this will take time. Right now it's Norman Friedman's "Network-Centric Warfare" and Milan Vego's "Soviet Naval Tactics" plus Dave Eggers "The Circle".

As to the "green and white encyclopaedia that makes me think of the old World Book Encyclopaedia books at my grade and high schools. So if that is what you mean then yes. At home we had the Encylopaedia Britannica and there is a funny story about that. We had a set from 1960 but when my dad decided to update the set in 1968 he moved the whole 1960 set with its walnut book case retrofitted with a plexiglass front cover, into our ground-floor bathroom. Then he commanded that all who enter to empty their colon must also fill their brain! It was astonishing how often I emerged from that little place with numb and tingling legs, having sat there too long to finish an article while the toilet seat dug into the hindquarters and cut of blood circulation.

It was an odd time in history I guess, but my family loved books and learning.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Check this exchange out.

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It's like he sees mentioning that Native Americans once lived here is an insult. Hmm..."words a white supremacist might say" for $200, Alex.

What I find funny is that Henry Clay and Alexander Hamilton both did whatever they could to prevent people like Trump from gaining or having continued access to the Presidency (Jackson, Burr, respectively).


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