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Trump is all about Problem/Solution, and he will work with anyone to get to a solution, this is one of the many things I like about the guy.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump is all about Problem/Solution, and he will work with anyone to get to a solution, this is one of the many things I like about the guy.
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LOL the guy does not have the intelligence for that and he has created most of the problems he is failing to find solutions to.. he is a moron and always has been a moron and con-artist.
 
PeteEU said:
LOL the guy does not have the intelligence for that and he has created most of the problems he is failing to find solutions to.. he is a moron and always has been a moron and con-artist.
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At some point one hopes you are going to be embarrassed to remember that you were found still claiming that over two years after the glide down the escalator.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump is all about Problem/Solution, and he will work with anyone to get to a solution, this is one of the many things I like about the guy.
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What problem?
 
President Barack H Obama, in less than 5 years got more than 800k Illegal Immigrants to assimilate into American Culture, Educate themselves, Serve the US Military and become Law-abiding Tax Paying citizens.

So what did exactly the Republicans do over the last 25 years about Immigration? :2razz:
 
digsbe said:
11 million expensive criminals illegally residing in the country.
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11 million american educated taxpayers contributing to our society rather than taking our investment to a foreign country.

Why do trump and his supporters Insist on offshoreing our assets?
 
GDViking said:
11 million american educated taxpayers contributing to our society rather than taking our investment to a foreign country.

Why do trump and his supporters Insist on offshoreing our assets?
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This is one of the most delusional posts I've ever read.

Let's look at some of the blatantly wrong things in your post. For one, they are not Americans. Secondly, many do not pay the taxes American citizens pay. Thirdly, they are not contributing to society positively as 100% of them are criminals (don't neglect this fact). Many export money back to their country of citizenship. Do you honestly believe the average criminal alien pays more in taxes than they receive in benefits living here? If they're so wonderful being here taking human capital from their home nations why aren't those countries fighting to try and get their citizens back? Heck, I wonder what would happen if an American illegally immigrated to any other country.
 
digsbe said:
This is one of the most delusional posts I've ever read.

Let's look at some of the blatantly wrong things in your post. For one, they are not Americans. Secondly, many do not pay the taxes American citizens pay. Thirdly, they are not contributing to society positively as 100% of them are criminals (don't neglect this fact). Many export money back to their country of citizenship. Do you honestly believe the average criminal alien pays more in taxes than they receive in benefits living here? If they're so wonderful being here taking human capital from their home nations why aren't those countries fighting to try and get their citizens back? Heck, I wonder what would happen if an American illegally immigrated to any other country.
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"The majority DACA are still students and 17 percent are pursuing an advanced degree. By contrast, most recipients of H-1B visas are between 25 and 34 and hold either a Bachelor's Degree or a Master's Degree. In short, they look to be a close reflection of what DACA recipients will look like a few years from now as they complete their educations. DACA beneficiaries also tend to be employed in higher-skilled jobs than workers who are in the country illegally. Some of them are paramedics and firefighters and some even fought and died for this country. The fact of the matter is that they are contributing members of our society. But I still respect your right to hate whoever you want.
 
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PeteEU said:
LOL the guy does not have the intelligence for that and he has created most of the problems he is failing to find solutions to.. he is a moron and always has been a moron and con-artist.
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You have just described Congress. They create the problems and then spend their careers trying to fix them.
 
digsbe said:
This is one of the most delusional posts I've ever read.

Let's look at some of the blatantly wrong things in your post. For one, they are not Americans. Secondly, many do not pay the taxes American citizens pay. Thirdly, they are not contributing to society positively as 100% of them are criminals (don't neglect this fact). Many export money back to their country of citizenship. Do you honestly believe the average criminal alien pays more in taxes than they receive in benefits living here? If they're so wonderful being here taking human capital from their home nations why aren't those countries fighting to try and get their citizens back? Heck, I wonder what would happen if an American illegally immigrated to any other country.
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You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what a "dreamer" is
 
MaggieD said:
You have just described Congress. They create the problems and then spend their careers trying to fix them.
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Correction: trying to appear as though they are fixing them while actually doing as little as humanly possible
 
HenryChinaski said:
"The majority DACA are still students and 17 percent are pursuing an advanced degree. By contrast, most recipients of H-1B visas are between 25 and 34 and hold either a Bachelor's Degree or a Master's Degree. In short, they look to be a close reflection of what DACA recipients will look like a few years from now as they complete their educations. DACA beneficiaries also tend to be employed in higher-skilled jobs than workers who are in the country illegally. Some of them are paramedics and firefighters and some even fought and died for this country. The fact of the matter is that they are contributing members of our society. But I still respect your right to hate whoever you want.
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Your post only highlights some of the problems. So 17% are going for advanced degrees, what are the other 83% doing? Who's paying for the degrees? Are they taking out high interest federal loans to churn the government a profit on educational debt? Or is grant money going to them that should go to Americans? Why are these criminals receiving "higher-skilled" jobs that should be gong to American workers? Saying some died for the country or are paramedics/firefighters is anecdotal. I could easily claim some have committed other crimes or are a net financial loss to the country in spite of 100% of them being criminal individuals. The concept of an executive order creating deferred action for potentially millions of people breaking our laws or trying to establish work permits for criminals should cause an uproar. What regard do you have for the thousands waiting in line or applying for legal residence?

What sources do you have to claim a group of criminals are a net financial and social benefit to the country? I don't hate anyone, but I believe America must put Americans first and uphold the laws of our country to protect national sovereignty, order, and American citizens.

Americans first, people attempting to come here the legal way 2nd, criminal illegal aliens should be on the last on the list of concerns. Deport them all with a bill for the cost their presence has cost the country along with fines for being criminals and ban them from re-entry for 10 years and after it's all paid. I'm sure these highly intelligent, skilled people can manage to do that since you almost suggest their are a net profit to the country.

Deuce said:
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what a "dreamer" is
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Are they illegal aliens or not? I support DACA

Deporting
All
Criminal
Aliens

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digsbe said:
Your post only highlights some of the problems. So 17% are going for advanced degrees, what are the other 83% doing? Who's paying for the degrees? Are they taking out high interest federal loans to churn the government a profit on educational debt? Or is grant money going to them that should go to Americans? Why are these criminals receiving "higher-skilled" jobs that should be gong to American workers? Saying some died for the country or are paramedics/firefighters is anecdotal. I could easily claim some have committed other crimes or are a net financial loss to the country in spite of 100% of them being criminal individuals. The concept of an executive order creating deferred action for potentially millions of people breaking our laws or trying to establish work permits for criminals should cause an uproar. What regard do you have for the thousands waiting in line or applying for legal residence?

What sources do you have to claim a group of criminals are a net financial and social benefit to the country? I don't hate anyone, but I believe America must put Americans first and uphold the laws of our country to protect national sovereignty, order, and American citizens.

Americans first, people attempting to come here the legal way 2nd, criminal illegal aliens should be on the last on the list of concerns. Deport them all with a bill for the cost their presence has cost the country along with fines for being criminals and ban them from re-entry for 10 years and after it's all paid. I'm sure these highly intelligent, skilled people can manage to do that since you almost suggest their are a net profit to the country.



Are they illegal aliens or not? I support DACA

Deporting
All
Criminal
Aliens

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Advocating throwing young adults out of the only country that they've ever known, in which they were brought to by no choice of their own and sending them to a country where they might not even speak the language or be familiar with much of the culture is beyond heartless, it's sociopathic. Most of these people are productive members of society. Not to mention that resinding their current status would cost the economy about $6.3 billion. These are human beings contributing members of our society, not a.m. radio talking point. https://www.americanprogress.org/is...ca-recipients-illustrate-the-programs-impact/.
 
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HenryChinaski said:
Advocating throwing young adults out of the only country that they've ever known, in which they were brought to by no choice of their own and sending them to a country where they might not even speak the language or be familiar with much of the culture is beyond heartless, it's sociopathic. Most of these people are productive members of society. Not to mention that resinding their current status would cost the economy about $6.3 billion. These are human beings contributing members of our society, not a.m. radio talking point. https://www.americanprogress.org/is...ca-recipients-illustrate-the-programs-impact/.
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Thats a typical liberal, emotion-based argument. Have any legal argument you would like to make?
 
Fletch said:
Thats a typical liberal, emotion-based argument. Have any legal argument you would like to make?
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If you want to call it an "emotion based argument" so be it, at least I have "emotions" something that conservatives are sorely lacking.
 
digsbe said:
This is one of the most delusional posts I've ever read.

Let's look at some of the blatantly wrong things in your post. For one, they are not Americans. Secondly, many do not pay the taxes American citizens pay. Thirdly, they are not contributing to society positively as 100% of them are criminals (don't neglect this fact). Many export money back to their country of citizenship. Do you honestly believe the average criminal alien pays more in taxes than they receive in benefits living here? If they're so wonderful being here taking human capital from their home nations why aren't those countries fighting to try and get their citizens back? Heck, I wonder what would happen if an American illegally immigrated to any other country.
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DO you have ANY date to support that bigotry?
 
HenryChinaski said:
If you want to call it an "emotion based argument" so be it, at least I have "emotions" something that conservatives are sorely lacking.
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Conservatives have emotions. Unlike liberals, however, they aren't ruled by them.
 
Fletch said:
Thats a typical liberal, emotion-based argument. Have any legal argument you would like to make?
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"Emotion" or what I'd call basic human decency, or empathy perhaps, or just concern for others, are perfectly valid considerations on this and many other policy decisions. Just for example, we provide for the disabled, healthcare for poor children and adults and the elderly through Medicaid and SCHIP, Medicare, SS, and a long list of other government programs and assistance are based at least primarily on "emotional" arguments. So why is it with 'illegals' the only valid argument is a legalistic one?

If you don't know anyone affected, or even if you do and don't give a damn either way what happens to them, that's fine and dandy. But you can't say that someone else's concern for the fate of people in our communities and doing basically what we expect of good citizens is an illegitimate basis on which to at least begin evaluating the decision.
 
Fletch said:
Conservatives have emotions. Unlike liberals, however, they aren't ruled by them.
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LOL, well in my experience Conservatives sure aren't being ruled by data and evidence so if it's not 'emotion' not sure on what basis they do make decisions! :2razz:
 
MaggieD said:
You have just described Congress. They create the problems and then spend their careers trying to fix them.
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Sorry I disagree.. I described most politicians.. blaming the institution of Congress (or parliament) is a bit too much.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
At some point one hopes you are going to be embarrassed to remember that you were found still claiming that over two years after the glide down the escalator.
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I have followed Trump for 20 years, so that wont happen. I know who he is, what kind of man (or lack) he is and what his motivations are. Only factor that is not possible to read these days, is his growing dementia.

In Denmark we have had our own "Trump"... the Queens husband. For the last few years he has been acting exactly like Trump, and guess what... they just came out officially with the fact he has early dementia, which explains a ton.
 
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