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Trump overrules GOP with deal on spending, debt, Harvey aid

Comical.

Trump works with Democrats to get things done and you completely turn it around to fester your Trump hate.

Absolutely. The party of the people are so blinded with hate that would like to see no help for the victims of Harvey rather than admit Trump did what was needed. SAD.
 
Comical.

Trump works with Democrats to get things done and you completely turn it around to fester your Trump hate.

What did I say that was false?
 
Trump did what was right. He helped the people who need help and he will still continue to fight to cut all the fat in government. There is plenty of fat to cut that is for sure. I have no problem helping those caught up in a disaster. Once again a great job by Trump.

I have no problem raising the debt ceiling, it is cons like you who spent 8 years complaining about Obama doing it and now giving Trump a free pass that are the hypocrites. Obama raising ceiling bad, Trump raising ceiling good, that's con logic.
 
So, no right move for Trump ever...got it big cheese.

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So, no wrong move for Trump ever to you, got it. Trumpbots are so predictable. Remember it was YOUR side that complaining about Obama raising the debt ceiling and how Trump wasn't going to. Now that he does, you are ok with it.
 
So, no wrong move for Trump ever to you, got it. Trumpbots are so predictable. Remember it was YOUR side that complaining about Obama raising the debt ceiling and how Trump wasn't going to. Now that he does, you are ok with it.

Don't forget they are also praising him for making a deal with the dems.
 
Raising the debt ceiling is the dumbest and least productive right either party has ever engaged in.
 
I have no problem raising the debt ceiling, it is cons like you who spent 8 years complaining about Obama doing it and now giving Trump a free pass that are the hypocrites. Obama raising ceiling bad, Trump raising ceiling good, that's con logic.

I never complained when Obama raised the debt ceiling to take care of people caught up in a national disaster. Making things up I see. Nice try though. Save it for the clueless.
 
Wow. Seriously? That's what you think happened?

I don't like Trump, but on this one, he called Nancy and Chuckie's bluff and ignored his own party leaders in Congress. I guarantee you they (Nancy and Chuckie) NEVER thought their demand would be agreed to, and they could then blame the GOP for holding up disaster relief.

Someone did get played here, and it was the leadership from both parties in Congress...

McConnell and Ryan ought to be giving Trump and the Democrats thanks, because without them they couldn't pass disaster relief for Texas or raise the debt ceiling, at least not without Schumer and Pelosi delivering their votes. Everyone knew this, and if they wanted, the GOP leadership could have killed the deal yesterday or could kill it today, especially in the House. They're not going to because it's what they wanted and needed. You're already doing what the GOP leadership want - pretending they're not WILLING participants in the deal. Of course they were.
 
What DJT has done is pull the teeth of the Freedom Caucus. He has made it clear he'll find his majorities across Congress, not just in the GOP.
 
There is a solution to all of this, and it's very easy to do this because so much money is wrapped up in it: defund Obamacare. Put some of that money being spent on that towards hurricane relief efforts, and a border wall can be built because it'll cost a heck of a lot less to put up a border wall than to fund every single person living here, legal citizen or not, with entitlements. Plus you can come up with tax reform that way, and work on comprehensive immigration reform. Finally, it's a way to work on a replacement for healthcare insurance, and begin to pay down our national debt. So in conclusion, the debt ceiling doesn't need raised, hurricane victims are taken care of, and campaign promises have been made. A major win for Trump, the people, and for sanity (but not so much for the establishment). Now it's just getting the Republicans on board is the challenge, but I think with enough pressure (which would be a ton of it) this can be done.

You're a couple weeks too late.
 
What DJT has done is pull the teeth of the Freedom Caucus. He has made it clear he'll find his majorities across Congress, not just in the GOP.

So you are saying he will side with democrats more often and screw over conservatives more often?
 
So you are saying he will side with democrats more often and screw over conservatives more often?

He will side with whichever party or faction offers advantage at the moment. He's not, shall we say, a man of fixed convictions.
 
What DJT has done is pull the teeth of the Freedom Caucus. He has made it clear he'll find his majorities across Congress, not just in the GOP.

Seems to me that the person who really sent a signal to those guys is Ryan. Trump could try to neuter the Freedom Caucus crazies all he wants, but unless Ryan goes along Trump won't succeed. I read last night that Bannon and some of those guys are already shooting for Ryan, which seems inevitable. He'll be forced to do the same things that got Boehner ousted - go to Pelosi for the votes to keep the lights on and the bills paid.
 
Seems to me that the person who really sent a signal to those guys is Ryan. Trump could try to neuter the Freedom Caucus crazies all he wants, but unless Ryan goes along Trump won't succeed. I read last night that Bannon and some of those guys are already shooting for Ryan, which seems inevitable. He'll be forced to do the same things that got Boehner ousted - go to Pelosi for the votes to keep the lights on and the bills paid.

I don't think Ryan will have any choice but to go along with DJT, and I think it will turn out just fine for him.
 
I don't think Ryan will have any choice but to go along with DJT, and I think it will turn out just fine for him.

We'll see I guess. Boehner lasted a while before he got tired of dealing with the crazies, or saw he was going to be ousted, whichever. But I think the real issue is going along with DJT means going along with Nancy Pelosi on the stuff that has to get done, and she's not about to deliver her votes without some concessions.
 
We'll see I guess. Boehner lasted a while before he got tired of dealing with the crazies, or saw he was going to be ousted, whichever. But I think the real issue is going along with DJT means going along with Nancy Pelosi on the stuff that has to get done, and she's not about to deliver her votes without some concessions.

DJT will make the concessions he needs to make, and Ryan will go along because he will be essentially DJT's prisoner. On the other hand this will allow Ryan to tell the Freedom Caucus to take a hike.
 
We'll see I guess. Boehner lasted a while before he got tired of dealing with the crazies, or saw he was going to be ousted, whichever. But I think the real issue is going along with DJT means going along with Nancy Pelosi on the stuff that has to get done, and she's not about to deliver her votes without some concessions.

Ryan now has the Freedom Caucus, Meadows and Bannon actively looking for a new Speaker.

Ryan knew he couldn't get to 218 if he had attached his 18-month debt ceiling to Harvey so he tried to let McConnell do it.

Ryan's gambit to get the debt ceiling past the next election, as he did in 2014, didn't fool DEMs this time.

trump blowing off Mnuchin on a 6-month debt ceiling in negotiations was the big surprise IMO. McConnell's 'long game' got outplayed by trump, tired of GOP obstruction ...
 
Ryan now has the Freedom Caucus, Meadows and Bannon actively looking for a new Speaker.

Ryan knew he couldn't get to 218 if he had attached his 18-month debt ceiling to Harvey so he tried to let McConnell do it.

Ryan's gambit to get the debt ceiling past the next election, as he did in 2014, didn't fool DEMs this time.

trump blowing off Mnuchin on a 6-month debt ceiling in negotiations was the big surprise IMO. McConnell's 'long game' got outplayed by trump, tired of GOP obstruction ...

DJT may achieve control of Congress.
 
We'll see I guess. Boehner lasted a while before he got tired of dealing with the crazies, or saw he was going to be ousted, whichever. But I think the real issue is going along with DJT means going along with Nancy Pelosi on the stuff that has to get done, and she's not about to deliver her votes without some concessions.

Neither could have been portrayed as weak if they simply did the things they ran on instead of campaigning one way and voting another. The same as a lot of the establishment GOP.
 
Neither could have been portrayed as weak if they simply did the things they ran on instead of campaigning one way and voting another. The same as a lot of the establishment GOP.

The problem is where to get the votes for what you're suggesting. Boehner didn't turn to Pelosi because he WANTED to lose his job and be run out of Congress. It's just how the math worked out. Same thing is happening with Ryan - we saw it yesterday. Raising the debt ceiling, for example, isn't optional - it's a must do thing. If the Freedom Caucus and their allies in the Senate aren't willing to take one for the team, Ryan can't get to 218 or McConnell to 60 votes on most issues, or even 50 votes, which we saw with healthcare. And if they try to pass the hard right stuff that pleases the Freedom Caucus crazies, they can't get majority GOP votes, especially on the Senate side where they're not protected by gerrymandered districts.

Point is you're expecting too much from the GOP, and it's because they've never been honest about what they can and can't do and it worked great until they got majorities.
 
DJT will make the concessions he needs to make, and Ryan will go along because he will be essentially DJT's prisoner. On the other hand this will allow Ryan to tell the Freedom Caucus to take a hike.

IMO, Ryan is more a prisoner to the reality of running the government that of DJT, who is prisoner to the same reality, but we basically agree. Bottom line is it's obvious the GOP can't run the government without Democratic votes on some must-pass legislation, so they....will turn to Democrats for those votes because there is no other choice to make.
 
IMO, Ryan is more a prisoner to the reality of running the government that of DJT, who is prisoner to the same reality, but we basically agree. Bottom line is it's obvious the GOP can't run the government without Democratic votes on some must-pass legislation, so they....will turn to Democrats for those votes because there is no other choice to make.

And DJT, as a man of no fixed convictions, is perfectly suited for these maneuvers. It will be a triumph of irony if DJT becomes the leader to break Washington gridlock.
 
Donald and Nancy sittin' in a tree,
K_I_S_S_I_N_G....

Well, throw in Chuck Schumer too and you have a little Menage a trois.

Boy these Republicans are seeing red now! They must be jealous!
 
I guess I am ignorant of how the process works. With or without the presidents support how does the miniority party get enough votes to pass this and if there were enough crossover votes how does the bill get voted on without the speaker allowing it? If Republican leadership is opposed to this bill, is it not a reflection of their own incompetency?

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I guess I am ignorant of how the process works. With or without the presidents support how does the miniority party get enough votes to pass this and if there were enough crossover votes how does the bill get voted on without the speaker allowing it? If Republican leadership is opposed to this bill, is it not a reflection of their own incompetency?

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With Democratic support, you only need a handful of GOP votes to push it over the edge. It seems that's there. It's really the lunatic fringe of the GOP that used to terrorize and hold the entire rest of the US government hostage every time these debt ceiling issues came up. With DJT working with the dems now, though, it looks like the freedom caucus is getting thrown under the bus and no one cares anymore what they say and no matter how much they rant and rave.
 
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