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Rep. Adam Schiff: Proposed Trump Tower in Moscow shows Trump was 'dishonest'

Unitedwestand13 said:
Because he is active?
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I don't mind active politicians, or even committed or those that are fiercely defensive of their ideology. There are three things, however, that I cannot abide: 1) intentional dishonesty regardless of party, 2) refusal to discuss political alternatives regardless of party, or 3) disregard of the Constitution when it becomes an impediment to political gain.
 
Mycroft said:
Oh...I figured my sarcastic remark would be enough. My bad.

Schiff is attempting to build a legal business molehill into some kind of hysterical mountain...for nothing more than political purposes.
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Just as I figured.
 
hanger4 said:
Mueller doesn't have the power/authority to indict.

Just sayin
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Not formally, but he certainly has the power and influence to indict him sufficiently..

Just respondin..
 
MovingPictures said:
Yeah, even as far as politicians go, Trump is a pathological liar that never tells the truth from the get-go. He always exaggerates, embellishes, deceives, omits, or just outright lies in his public statements, before the WH has to come clean for him after his lies get exposed.
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Okay here is were I finally have chime in, because we know that even though he does lie. Trump has told the truth before, and has even been out front about his stances, and even showed empathy towards a multitude of people.

Just saying he always lies is an outright lie in itself.
 
NIMBY said:
Rhetorically shooting messengers is all desperate GOPosters have left, no matter the trump thread, as we'll see with Mueller getting trashed when he indicts trump ...
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Its a usual thing in every presidency, Mueller & Comey both are going to be answering for something sooner or later, for crap that is going to come out in the open. Or they could not, and most of this could just be a big waste of time. The fact is, that this is just par for the course in any political circle.
 
Beaudreaux said:
I'm not a fan of his counterparts on the GOP side, either. However, Schiff has been a partisan liar the entire time he's been in the House. He views all international relations, military actions, and intelligence subjects from a purely partisan point of view, and shows no qualms with telling outrageous lies to protect his side and/or harm the other side, regardless of the impact to the nation.

He covered for Hillary from day one, before ANY facts were known, regarding Benghazi, the email server, and every other incident. He did the same for Obama when it came to defending Obama's unconstitutional EO's, where an honest Congressman would have at least tried to protect the separation of powers.

He's an unabashed political shill for the far left, and adding that to his obvious greed for power and ambition for an even higher office, makes him dangerous to the rule of law, our personal rights, and our country's future.

IMHO, that is. Also, I respect your opinion, so don't take what I said as a reflection upon you.
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Why does most of this lead back to Obama's administration?
The more, and more people read into this. His election was the starting point of some pretty extremely partisan groups in the white house, that eventually trickled down to so many of the government services. I'm not saying it was the only source of partisan objection/decisions, but when he was elected more people started to choose favorites then usual.
 
Oborosen said:
Why does most of this lead back to Obama's administration?
The more, and more people read into this. His election was the starting point of some pretty extremely partisan groups in the white house, that eventually trickled down to so many of the government services. I'm not saying it was the only source of partisan objection/decisions, but when he was elected more people started to choose favorites then usual.
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Not really. DC has been rather divided numerous times throughout our history. One of the main catalysts for the modern divisiveness was the rise of the Progressives in the late 1910's, 1920's and 1930's and the gains in influence by Socialists and Communists in the US in the 1930's and 1940's - which gave rise to the political power of the religious right to counter those Progressives. The rise of the religious right as a major power within the GOP back in the 1970's and 80's (due to the power of TV preachers) has caused as much turmoil and angst as the rise of the Progressives, however, with their insistence on blurring the line between church and state. One form of anti-Constitutional behavior is no better than any other form.

Don't give Obama, too, much credit. He was more of a symbol of the left's movement away from the rule of law and away our Constitutional foundations rather than the cause, because that has been going on since the rise of the Great "Progressive" Society with Wilson, and then FDR. Obama was divisive for other reasons as well, but that doesn't reflect on Schiff in this thread like the points above certainly do.
 
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I think that this is more of an additional confirmation about Trump being dishonest more than some kind of revelation. One can look back over his business dealings and determine he's not an honest person. That his base can somehow claim otherwise and keep a straight face is difficult to understand. Just bizarre. He lied throughout his campaign, he continues to lie almost every time he addresses the nation. Yep, he's as dishonest as they come.

However, I think most of the politicians in DC have "dishonesty envy" over Trump. Trump is holding court on the subject. Let's face it, the guy has mastered the art of lying so well that he doesn't flinch when he does it, makes his accusers look like evil people who are out to get him, and convinces his herd that he is a victim deserving of their loyalty. I am sure there are a number of Beltway insiders who look at him and think "how does he do it, magnificent!"
 
dobieg said:
Yeah because attempting to commit a crime is somewhat similar to attempting to do a business deal.


Please give it just a little bit of thought before you type.
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Attempting to undermine the policies of the US government in exchange for hotels isn't legal. [emoji23]


This was sent from Putin's computer using Donald's credentials.
 
Lerxst said:
I think that this is more of an additional confirmation about Trump being dishonest more than some kind of revelation. One can look back over his business dealings and determine he's not an honest person. That his base can somehow claim otherwise and keep a straight face is difficult to understand. Just bizarre. He lied throughout his campaign, he continues to lie almost every time he addresses the nation. Yep, he's as dishonest as they come.

However, I think most of the politicians in DC have "dishonesty envy" over Trump. Trump is holding court on the subject. Let's face it, the guy has mastered the art of lying so well that he doesn't flinch when he does it, makes his accusers look like evil people who are out to get him, and convinces his herd that he is a victim deserving of their loyalty. I am sure there are a number of Beltway insiders who look at him and think "how does he do it, magnificent!"
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Actually, dishonesty in any politician is a feature. and Donald Trump has joined the ranks as one of the most featuresque politicians in world history. :mrgreen:
 
Beaudreaux said:
Not really. DC has been rather divided numerous times throughout our history. One of the main catalysts for the modern divisiveness was the rise of the Progressives in the late 1910's, 1920's and 1930's and the gains in influence by Socialists and Communists in the US in the 1930's and 1940's - which gave rise to the political power of the religious right to counter those Progressives. The rise of the religious right as a major power within the GOP back in the 1970's and 80's (due to the power of TV preachers) has caused as much turmoil and angst as the rise of the Progressives, however, with their insistence on blurring the line between church and state. One form of anti-Constitutional behavior is no better than any other form.

Don't give Obama, too, much credit. He was more of a symbol of the left's movement away from the rule of law and away our Constitutional foundations rather than the cause, because that has been going on since the rise of the Great "Progressive" Society with Wilson, and then FDR. Obama was divisive for other reasons as well, but that doesn't reflect on Schiff in this thread like the points above certainly do.
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I know it doesn't, it just weird how you can step back, and look how this is some sort of sick escalation of ideals.

Schiff has his own problems, that he has rightfully earned. I think I just link the turning point of this with Obama, as the end of his term brought about all of these current anti(not our view) groups. Ones that he strangely helped foster instead of condemning like any president with common sense would see to do.

Okay, how about a change of subject?
Is there anyway out of this for Schiff, could he possibly regain all the trust he's been losing?

I mean if the man just sticks to one party, and holds tight he may just make it out intact... but maybe not.
 
"Adam Schiff: Proposed Trump Tower in Moscow shows Trump was 'dishonest'"

What was it they said about glass houses?
 
Oborosen said:
I know it doesn't, it just weird how you can step back, and look how this is some sort of sick escalation of ideals.

Schiff has his own problems, that he has rightfully earned. I think I just link the turning point of this with Obama, as the end of his term brought about all of these current anti(not our view) groups. Ones that he strangely helped foster instead of condemning like any president with common sense would see to do.

Okay, how about a change of subject?
Is there anyway out of this for Schiff, could he possibly regain all the trust he's been losing?

I mean if the man just sticks to one party, and holds tight he may just make it out intact... but maybe not.
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With me he's lost all credibility. However, there are enough people in his district that disagree with me and continue to re-elect him.
 
Beaudreaux said:
With me he's lost all credibility. However, there are enough people in his district that disagree with me and continue to re-elect him.
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Yeah you have plenty of those in each district, the Democrats called those in Georgia for that last election their hopefuls.

I don't really know how well things are going to work for him in this though, we have the people who are going to be open about electing him back in. Though you always know there are going to be those that wear that idea on their sleeve, only to have second thoughts right before making the decision.

As for me, I don't trust him.
 
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