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Minneapolis bar closes over owner's donation to David Duke campaign

Tigerace117 said:
Not "foolishness" in the slightest bud. And yes, we do know what they are, so I'm not sure where you are getting that from.
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Define "Evil" for me, please... You obviously know what it is, now please tell me?... And then I'll take it from there, pilgrim... (I can do "Buddy Slang" too, you know) Foolishness. Wishful foolishness that has killed hundreds and hundreds of millions of trusting souls who'd assumed/been ASSURED their leaders/Priests had their best interests at heart...
 
ecofarm said:
Well, you could be all ignorant and hateful, resulting in low self esteem and self worth exclusively via group identity. Then you'd have a lot to say against minorities.
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Gosh, I didn't think it was either ignorance or hatefulness on my part that drove me to pull my hair out long ago over the shenanigans of my "peers"... Homosexuality? Knock yourselves out in your private life (I'm told they DO but have no way of knowing?) You GUESS at its implications to the society at large! You're GUESSING your position is "correct" based on polling the inmates of the asylum. (Just ignore those terrible Trump voters, a LOT of them never ever went to college) Your persistent GUESSING is threatening to destroy life on the planet. It is no longer my CONCERN if you find my methods abrasive, you're going to get us all killed.... which, it seems to me, is settled science as well.

So. Which of our settled scientific issues should we roll our sleeves up and attack first do you reckon? Your peripheral one that no one has given a Tinker's damn about since time began, ALL armies are homosexual to SOME degree, always HAVE been... How could a guy NOT love a man in uniform?... HOW COME IT'S BACK ON THE TABLE NOW? We already disposed of that one back in Alexander's time, WHY'S IT AN ISSUE AGAIN NOW?... Or mine, which states that all life on Earth is at RISK because of all the STOOPID INSTITUTIONAL GUESSING?
 
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Resles Leggs said:
Your persistent GUESSING is threatening to destroy life on the planet. It is no longer my CONCERN if you find my methods abrasive, you're going to get us all killed.... which, it seems to me, is settled science as well.
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Sit back and relax, you're doomed. I got you.
 
Yeah, okay... that seems fair. Your loss
 
So, there were these two lesbians peeing on a bridge over the Rio Grande....
 
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kitsune said:
I think this is what I meant.
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But does that really make it political, as in a perspective or opinion with merit and debatable.
 
ecofarm said:
But does that really make it political, as in a perspective or opinion with merit and debatable.
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I think that what is with merit and debatable is relative. But in the context of the United States today, I take your point.
 
kitsune said:
I think that what is with merit and debatable is relative. But in the context of the United States today, I take your point.
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In any context, there is no merit or debatability in racism or homophobia. A debate of either subject is not so much an intellectual sparring of philosophies as it is teaching idiots to not be hateful. They're educational or social issues, not political issues.
 
ecofarm said:
In any context, there is no merit or debatability in racism or homophobia. A debate of either subject is not so much an intellectual sparring of philosophies as it is teaching idiots to not be hateful. They're educational or social issues, not political issues.
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We're on the same side here when it comes to racism and homophobia. To say that these things shouldn't be political issues in 2017 is one thing, and I agree. But to say that they are not political issues, I think, flies in the face of reality.
 
kitsune said:
We're on the same side here when it comes to racism and homophobia. To say that these things shouldn't be political issues in 2017 is one thing, and I agree. But to say that they are not political issues, I think, flies in the face of reality.
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They aren't political issues, you agree. Time and place is irrelevant. Something doesn't become political by will of ignorance, it does so by strength of argument.

It doesn't matter if some people believe racism is a right wing platform. It doesn't matter if racism affects politics (it affects everything). What matters is the merit of the position.
 
ecofarm said:
They aren't political issues, you agree. Time and place is irrelevant. Something doesn't become political by will of ignorance, it does so by strength of argument.

It doesn't matter if some people believe racism is a right wing platform. It doesn't matter if racism affects politics (it affects everything). What matters is the merit of the position.
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I see.
 
Resles Leggs said:
I'm "getting it" from a lifetime of observation and experience, of course... first-hand. Now. Where are YOU getting that from? Bud
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Gee bud, unless you are an immortal you have no real "experience" with the Confederacy, and unless you are far older than you sound you wouldn't have any "experience" with the Nazis.
 
Resles Leggs said:
Dear "Slang Buddies,"

If it follows that I must accede to your definitions, why does it not then follow that you must accede to mine... common usage?
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Common usage, yes. If I call you a glorfark, I probably shouldn't get upset that you take it the wrong way. That's how communication works.
 
Resles Leggs said:
"Slavery" has been around since the beginning of human time, which began apparently, by general agreement....
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General agreement? You mean general agreement for people to enslave other people, right? People didn't normally volunteer to be slaves. Normal practice was for someone else to use force. But to the general question of whether evil exists, yeah, I would say it does. How to define it? I don't know, but I know it when I see it. Six million dead Jews was evil.
 
Ahlevah said:
General agreement? You mean general agreement for people to enslave other people, right? People didn't normally volunteer to be slaves. Normal practice was for someone else to use force. But to the general question of whether evil exists, yeah, I would say it does. How to define it? I don't know, but I know it when I see it. Six million dead Jews was evil.
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No, no. I mean the BEGINNING OF TIME must've been marked by general agreement in Western culture, as I said. The year 1 in "our" calendar, is tied inextricably to the deaths of the Christ twins. So... who picked that year, that event? It's just odd that the Jews mark time still so much differently than their offspring?

Slavery, I ASSUME, was perpetuated by general agreement, at least among slave owners, clearly. But my point was simply it's been common practice among humans since the dawn of the modern species. It popped up quite naturally as a result of the "What are we gonna do with THESE guys?" syndrome, a result of stealing the next tribe's women, a common practice still. Now that YOU no longer HAVE any, it's a simple matter to condemn the entire practice as "inhuman" or "evil." You've no longer got skin in the game. But your moral outrage is tempered by the fact that you certainly USED to!
 
This enlightened movement towards species variety equality is another guess... no one has the slightest IDEA if it's a correct assumption, it's just something inside telling you so (my opinion is that it's a vestigial Church organ (I've waited YEARS to use that line.) Who KNOWS what motivates you, society has any NUMBER of moral justifications for why inequality among varieties of humans is a mortal sin... and yet... it occurred quite naturally... It wasn't the DEVIL waving his pitchfork directing aspiring slavers.. it must've seemed perfectly reasonable for most of human history because THAT'S how long men have been doing it.

There ARE no moral absolutes. Maybe in YOU there are... but by NO means are you typical. Every month or two we are treated to lurid stories of Hindu immigrants (upper castes only) keeping domestic slaves. In AMERICA! WHERE YOU BROUGHT THEM. Servitude has BIBLICAL endorsements! "Get over it, your a SLAVE! Stop struggling and do what you know is right: serve your masters."

I felt the same way until very recently... ULTRA-liberal Massachusetts Yankee, speaker for N.O.W., anti-war activist, Bernie supporter... but it finally dawned on me watching the Clinton campaign maneuver and speak, almost exclusively, of it's plans to replace the white male-dominated power structure - me, apparently - with minorities dedicated to the needs of "women and children." It occurred to me that my earlier politics had been conscripted... I couldn't BE a liberal anymore... my own party had made me the enemy. And if THAT was possible, what ELSE have they been doing?
 
I attended Cooper Union.. at that time a full scholarship school ONLY. On arrival it was evident the minority students could not do basic math... Algebra 1.. A group of us went to the Dean and complained that we didn't work to get into one of the most selective schools in the country only to be put back in Junior High. Then they stole all my drafting supplies. I say, "they" because following the FIRST theft, they came back for the rest. Cooper WAS a school that was set up to provide a top-tier education to a very few extraordinarily gifted students from "inner-city" New York, but in truth, it was a holding pen for white kids while the minorities caught up. But they never did. Now Cooper is managed by another Indian gentlemen. It's blown its endowment on new buildings and other socially conscious projects. It is no longer a full scholarship school. Now it's just another for profit blob on a landscape littered with them.

Am I, as a white, male adult to feel in some way sympathetic to the blacks an Puerto Ricans who had somehow been left at the gate? I guess I did once?.. But at THIS point in my life...65 years of direct observation... I see no evidence anyone ever caught up. The only evidence I see suggests that my demographic is being FORCED to slow down to their almost invisible level. This is unacceptable. Morality is not a matter of enforcing various completely arbitrary rules grounded in some fantasy of a Divine Supreme Being, separately... One is OBLIGED to look at the entire picture: All men - for SOME inexplicable reason I had NOTHING to do with - are NOT equal. Men and women are NOT equal... OBVIOUSLY, nothing is equal. It is a false premise. That which emerges from a false premise is necessarily false.
 
Resles Leggs said:
Slavery, I ASSUME, was perpetuated by general agreement, at least among slave owners, clearly. But my point was simply it's been common practice among humans since the dawn of the modern species. It popped up quite naturally as a result of the "What are we gonna do with THESE guys?" syndrome, a result of stealing the next tribe's women, a common practice still. Now that YOU no longer HAVE any, it's a simple matter to condemn the entire practice as "inhuman" or "evil." You've no longer got skin in the game. But your moral outrage is tempered by the fact that you certainly USED to!
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Yes, slavery was common practice. It even exists today among "people" who have more in common with animals than people. But somewhere along the way, humans figured out that they had brains and could reason. They could act more like adults and less like the "This is MINE!" children who thought everything belonged to them. Eventually, they reasoned that forcing another thinking, empathic human being to do the bidding of another person, when that human being did nothing to deserve it, was unjust. When one looks at the practice as having the potential to strip every ounce of humanity from an individual, I have no problem labeling it "evil." I mean, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and all of that.
 
Angelus said:
Minneapolis bar closes over owner's donation to David Duke campaign

A bar in Minneapolis, Minn., shut its doors Friday after it was revealed the owner had donated to former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke’s failed Senate campaign, The Star Tribune reported. Club Jäger closed down Friday, with staff protesting after local newspaper City Pages revealed that owner Julius De Roma had made a $500 donation to Duke’s Senate bid last year.

Entertainers at the bar and staffers quit after the story about De Roma’s campaign donation to the former KKK grand wizard emerged. Employees said the decision to close the business was made by those who ran the bar, not the owner, according to the Star Tribune. De Roma defended his donation to local television station WCCO this week as “free speech.”

Also Chinese restaurant in Santa Cruz, California, was forced to close after its owner was identified as a supporter of ex-KKK leader David Duke. Again several employees quit after news spread of his donation to Duke. Local customers publicly denounced Grigsby and vowed to never eat at his restaurant again.

The govt may not abridge free speech. Workers can quit. Performers can pull their acts. Customers can denounce and boycott. If you support racism be prepared for that fact to be published, and be prepared for those who disagree to act. These people have every right to decide that their money will not go to support the KKK, David Duke, neo-nazis and other white supremacists.
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The market at work.
 
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