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Federal judge throws out Texas' voter ID law

JasperL said:
Yes, but again, I'm just dealing with what the GOP does, not what you think they should do or prefer. And in this reality the GOP imposes strict ID on voting in person but not absentee. Etc. No need to repeat the post you just ignored.
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You are ignoring that it doesn't matter if the measure is a good one or a bad one, Democrats are going to challenge it either way. What does that say?
 
JasperL said:
My post included several assertions that I'd be glad to provide links for - just tell me which ones you'd like documented.

Instead of responding, you moved the goal posts (why do reliable voters tend GOP?). I don't mind kicking to those new goal posts in another thread if you like, but not in this thread.
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Pretty semantics to avoid discussion.
 
OpportunityCost said:
You are ignoring that it doesn't matter if the measure is a good one or a bad one, Democrats are going to challenge it either way. What does that say?
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I think we've about beat this topic to death. You're not even trying to address my points anymore, so I'll quit making the effort.
 
JasperL said:
I think we've about beat this topic to death. You're not even trying to address my points anymore, so I'll quit making the effort.
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That's because your points are mostly speculation that I have asked you to source and you don't. Not to mention multiple arguments I did not make, dismissal of arguments I did make and your disregard for the Texas legislature to craft legislation different from that of other states.

We have beat this topic to death because you have your own bias regarding voting laws, no matter what they are, the same as most Democrats.
 
JasperL said:
Yes, you continually moving the goal posts is a way to avoid discussing the points you quote, then ignore. So we agree for once. Great.
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You just offer blanket dismissals instead of discussion, same difference.
 
OpportunityCost said:
You are ignoring that it doesn't matter if the measure is a good one or a bad one, Democrats are going to challenge it either way. What does that say?
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And you claim Indiana as a good one. On what basis?
 
Deuce said:
And you claim Indiana as a good one. On what basis?
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That it upheld scrutiny, that it offered free IDs to those that needed them, that it required photo IDs but didn't have onerous penalties. It was a smartly crafted piece of legislation that gauged what was acceptable and needed and found the right balance.
 
OpportunityCost said:
That it upheld scrutiny, that it offered free IDs to those that needed them, that it required photo IDs but didn't have onerous penalties. It was a smartly crafted piece of legislation that gauged what was acceptable and needed and found the right balance.
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Bills are good if they pass scrutiny, bad if they get overturned. With so many bills overturned, that means so many are bad. With that history, well then Democrats were right to be skeptical. See, the GOP was more subtle in some cases. (and in other cases blatantly admitting their goal was to reduce black turnout) With them trying at every turn to undermine the right to vote for political gain, every ID law should be put under the biggest microscope mankind can build. This is our right to vote, the right in a democracy. This isn't buying cigarettes or beer, this is ​the single most important principle on which our nation is founded.
 
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Deuce said:
Bills are good if they pass scrutiny, bad if they get overturned. With so many bills overturned, that means so many are bad. With that history, well then Democrats were right to be skeptical. See, the GOP was more subtle in some cases. (and in other cases blatantly admitting their goal was to reduce black turnout) With them trying at every turn to undermine the right to vote for political gain, every ID law should be put under the biggest microscope mankind can build. This is our right to vote, the right in a democracy. This isn't buying cigarettes or beer, this is ​the single most important principle on which our nation is founded.
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That's pretty hypocritical considering the restrictions are far greater on the 2nd, but hey, pontificate all you want.
 
OpportunityCost said:
That's pretty hypocritical considering the restrictions are far greater on the 2nd, but hey, pontificate all you want.
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The right to vote is vastly more important. Also you can't kill someone with a vote.
 
Deuce said:
The right to vote is vastly more important. Also you can't kill someone with a vote.
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But you can protect all the other rights...

Which is more important again?
 
OpportunityCost said:
But you can protect all the other rights...

Which is more important again?
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Voting.

The 2nd amendment isn't what protects your freedom, dude. I'm really sorry to break this to all the gun owners out there, but there's like 180 countries in the world and something like 160 of them have freedom despite only one of them having a second amendment.

Voting is what protects every other right. Voting is what created most of them in the first place.
 
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Deuce said:
Voting.

The 2nd amendment isn't what protects your freedom, dude. I'm really sorry to break this to all the gun owners out there, but there's like 180 countries in the world and something like 160 of them have freedom despite only one of them having a second amendment.

Voting is what protects every other right. Voting is what created most of them in the first place.
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I'm sorry but that's naïve, freedom usually isn't voted in.
 
So, OpportunityCost, which group(s) of Americans do you not wish to vote and why? We're anonymous so you should have no problem being real.
 
OpportunityCost said:
The point escapes you, without fighting for it first there never would have been a vote.
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We fought before we had a second amendment. We didn't need the constitution to start the fight for independence.
 
Parrish said:
So, OpportunityCost, which group(s) of Americans do you not wish to vote and why? We're anonymous so you should have no problem being real.
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Someone has their fishing pole out, has some prime bait, and hopes to "out" a conservative as an alt-right. Aren't you just precious?

Bait someone else with a scummy question like that. I don't want to block anyone from voting...once, not twice or multiple times.
 
Deuce said:
We fought before we had a second amendment. We didn't need the constitution to start the fight for independence.
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How novel, a liberal admitting we had natural rights before they were recognized in the Bill of Rights. The Second is intended as a safeguard to all the others.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Someone has their fishing pole out, has some prime bait, and hopes to "out" a conservative as an alt-right. Aren't you just precious?

Bait someone else with a scummy question like that. I don't want to block anyone from voting...once, not twice or multiple times.
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Got it. Thanks for being so...honest. ;)
 
danarhea said:
The Texas voter ID law has just been thrown out, root and branch.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2017/08/23/federal-judge-throws-texas-voter-law
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Breaking news!

Appeals court, 2-1, gives Texas OK to use new voter ID law

Appeals court, 2-1, gives Texas OK to use new voter ID law - POLITICO

A divided federal appeals court has stayed a lower judge's ruling barring Texas from implementing a revised version of its voter identification law.

A panel of the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals voted, 2-1, to allow Texas to use the revised voter ID measure known as SB 5 for this November's elections.

Judge Smith and Elrod also faulted U.S. District Court Judge Nelva Gonzales Ramos for going beyond the scope of a previous 5th Circuit ruling instructing her to assess whether SB 5 had cured problems with SB 14, another voter ID measure Texas passed in 2011.
 
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