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Federal judge throws out Texas' voter ID law

notquiteright said:
Do you bother reading any of the 'proof' you present??? 48% of the immigrants are CITIZENS and thus have the right to vote... :doh
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Well at least I've educated you on the fact that there are 43 million immigrants living in the US. It wasn't all a 'Brightbart Cunspiracy' after all, see?

But wait...there's more!

If only 48% of the 43 million are citizens, what are the other 52%? Illegal? Looks like our government finally admitted that the '11 million illegals' figure is bull****. Surrrprise.

The truth seems to be a passing acquaintance for some of the highly partisan on the rabid right.

I do note that Republicans vote early and often in Wisconsin- ever heard of Robert Monroe? Can't find the one you mention, just an unsubstantiated claim buses rolled out of Detroit for Wisconsin... :peace
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"Scott Foval, has been fired from his job at Americans United for Change, according to multiple news outlets.

The second, Robert Creamer, has said he's stepping back from his position at Democracy Partners.

Unaware that he was being recorded by a hidden camera, Foval appeared to walk through how operatives could commit voter fraud by shipping in out-of-state people to vote. "You can prove conspiracy if there's a bus," he says at one point. "If there are cars, it's much harder to prove."

He also detailed how he and other operatives recruit and train people to protest Trump events and to try to draw Trump supporters into physical confrontations. "There's a script," he says. "Sometimes the 'crazies' bite ... sometimes they don't bite."
Project Veritas Released A Sting Video It Says Shows Democrats Who Conspire On Voter Fraud : NPR


I'll await your excuse making & deflection attempt. :mrgreen:
 
Deuce said:
No, it's amusing how many right-wingers are so racist that "black people are stupid" is the only possible reason they can come up with for why black people have the required ID less often.
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Actually, fam, I think they can go out and get an ID just fine, there's a lot of days in the year which aren't Election Day where you can go get yourself a goddamn ID and last I checked this law didn't discriminate on who can get an ID... I am okay with people not voting, regardless of ethnic persuasion, if they lack adequate interest or intellect to make the effort to get an ID.

The law treats everyone the same.

Being against this standard because you assume certain groups are unable to put forth that effort or unable to produce the minimal level of requisite intellect is absolutely racial stereotyping... and yes, that amuses me.
 
TurtleDude said:
what does that have to do with anything? how would anyone KNOW if she had a secret conversation with Obama? then it would not be secret
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Well, then, OK, what did Obama have to do with this ruling?

STILL waiting for some sort of relevant, cogent answer.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Well, then, OK, what did Obama have to do with this ruling?

STILL waiting for some sort of relevant, cogent answer.
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I have no idea. Other than appointing her as judge-which I note was after GOP politicians in the state said she was the preferred choice of the several democrats who the state party sent to Obama. MY POINT was that it is not surprising that a ruling that benefits the DNC and does not benefit the GOP came from a DNC appointed judge.
 
TurtleDude said:
I have no idea. Other than appointing her as judge-which I note was after GOP politicians in the state said she was the preferred choice of the several democrats who the state party sent to Obama. MY POINT was that it is not surprising that a ruling that benefits the DNC and does not benefit the GOP came from a DNC appointed judge.
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Nah. It doesn't particluarly benefit the DNC, although it was most definitely created to benefit the GOP.

It benefits the right of citizens not to have their voting rights unconstitutionally infringed upon. Something that the GOP clearly and desperately wants, as any objective review of the available evidence dictates.

And the DNC doesn't appoint judges. I'm not sure what you're going on about.
 
TurtleDude said:
I have no idea. Other than appointing her as judge-which I note was after GOP politicians in the state said she was the preferred choice of the several democrats who the state party sent to Obama. MY POINT was that it is not surprising that a ruling that benefits the DNC and does not benefit the GOP came from a DNC appointed judge.
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Let's take politics out of this. When I can show nothing but my LTC and vote, but poor people cannot show their EBT cards and vote, and students cannot show their student ID and vote, then something fishy is going on. It's called vote suppression. This decision will be upheld. Roberts will be the vote that upholds it, and maybe Kennedy too.
 
danarhea said:
Let's take politics out of this. When I can show nothing but my LTC and vote, but poor people cannot show their EBT cards and vote, and students cannot show their student ID and vote, then something fishy is going on. It's called vote suppression. This decision will be upheld. Roberts will be the vote that upholds it, and maybe Kennedy too.
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let me ask you an honest question EBT and Student IDs are not sufficient to buy a gun. you have to have a driver's license or the state equivalent or a much harder to get CCW permit (in states that issue them). is that suppressing second Amendment rights

frankly-and I have been honest about this-people who are unable to have even a driver's license or the equivalent State ID, are people who I really lose no sleep over if they cannot vote.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Nah. It doesn't particluarly benefit the DNC, although it was most definitely created to benefit the GOP.

It benefits the right of citizens not to have their voting rights unconstitutionally infringed upon. Something that the GOP clearly and desperately wants, as any objective review of the available evidence dictates.

And the DNC doesn't appoint judges. I'm not sure what you're going on about.
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do you understand how judges at the federal level are appointed? the Party leaders of the party that holds the white house pick candidates. In other words, in Texas, Texas senators or congress members send a name or names to the White House and the President or his delegate sends that name to congress for confirmation. SO YES, the DNC picked the judges when Obama was president
 
truthatallcost said:
It's simple J. The DNC believes that you are incapable of going to the DMV, and you're probably too poor to be able to afford identification, so you shouldn't have to show ID at voting polls.
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....and so do the courts..... Voter ID is a solution for no known problem. It is needless regulation designed to protect Republicans from the demographic shifts in America. The courts know this, which is why such laws are generally overturned.

It would be nice if the Republicans could spend more time on real issues and less time on fake issues such as people crossing the border from Mexico (which has not been an issue in almost decade) and voter fraud, which is almost non-existent.
 
upsideguy said:
....and so do the courts..... Voter ID is a solution for no known problem. It is needless regulation designed to protect Republicans from the demographic shifts in America. The courts know this, which is why such laws are generally overturned.

It would be nice if the Republicans could spend more time on real issues and less time on fake issues such as people crossing the border from Mexico (which has not been an issue in almost decade) and voter fraud, which is almost non-existent.
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Heaven forbid that Republicans talk about real issues. You see what happens to them in debates. Forget that.
 
TurtleDude said:
let me ask you an honest question EBT and Student IDs are not sufficient to buy a gun. you have to have a driver's license or the state equivalent or a much harder to get CCW permit (in states that issue them). is that suppressing second Amendment rights

frankly-and I have been honest about this-people who are unable to have even a driver's license or the equivalent State ID, are people who I really lose no sleep over if they cannot vote.
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I have literally never met anyone that doesnt have an ID because it is needed for pretty much everything. About the only thing I can think of is if someone has been in a nursing home and hasnt got their ID renewed
 
upsideguy said:
....and so do the courts..... Voter ID is a solution for no known problem. It is needless regulation designed to protect Republicans from the demographic shifts in America. The courts know this, which is why such laws are generally overturned.

It would be nice if the Republicans could spend more time on real issues and less time on fake issues such as people crossing the border from Mexico (which has not been an issue in almost decade) and voter fraud, which is almost non-existent.
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How can you claim voter fraud is a non existent issue when there is no way to check if there is voter fraud? It might not be an issue but there is no way of knowing that unless there is a method to weed out fraud
 
danarhea said:
Let's take politics out of this. When I can show nothing but my LTC and vote, but poor people cannot show their EBT cards and vote, and students cannot show their student ID and vote, then something fishy is going on. It's called vote suppression. This decision will be upheld. Roberts will be the vote that upholds it, and maybe Kennedy too.
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I think you a being intentionally obtuse. A LTC has your picture with your name and it has been verified that is you are a resident citizen by a background check and has finger prints on file. A student ID is has a name and picture but nothing to back up anything other than that you went the the orientation for that school. It doesnt not connotate residency or citizenship status and an EBT card only has a name with no picture on it
 
truthatallcost said:
It's simple J. The DNC believes that you are incapable of going to the DMV, and you're probably too poor to be able to afford identification, so you shouldn't have to show ID at voting polls.
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Its a false argument, those same poor people have to prove their identities for benefit evaluations on a yearly and/or quarterly basis. Allow for hardship cases in which IDs are subsidized and just take the argument away from both Democrats and the courts. There is more than one way to neutralize an argument.
 
Crovax said:
I think you a being intentionally obtuse. A LTC has your picture with your name and it has been verified that is you are a resident citizen by a background check and has finger prints on file. A student ID is has a name and picture but nothing to back up anything other than that you went the the orientation for that school. It doesnt not connotate residency or citizenship status and an EBT card only has a name with no picture on it
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But an ID document (other than passport) should not have to connote residency or citizenship... the states own lists should have that on file. All the person should have to do, is prove that they are who they say they are, and then state should take that information and check if they are citizens and registered to vote.
 
truthatallcost said:
Well at least I've educated you on the fact that there are 43 million immigrants living in the US. It wasn't all a 'Brightbart Cunspiracy' after all, see? But wait...there's more! If only 48% of the 43 million are citizens, what are the other 52%? Illegal? Looks like our government finally admitted that the '11 million illegals' figure is bull****. Surrrprise.

"Scott Foval, has been fired from his job at Americans United for Change, according to multiple news outlets. The second, Robert Creamer, has said he's stepping back from his position at Democracy Partners. Unaware that he was being recorded by a hidden camera, Foval appeared to walk through how operatives could commit voter fraud by shipping in out-of-state people to vote. "You can prove conspiracy if there's a bus," he says at one point. "If there are cars, it's much harder to prove." He also detailed how he and other operatives recruit and train people to protest Trump events and to try to draw Trump supporters into physical confrontations. "There's a script," he says. "Sometimes the 'crazies' bite ... sometimes they don't bite."
I'll await your excuse making & deflection attempt.
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Again the truth is beyond you... many of those 52% non citizens can be here on VISAs... :doh

That is ZERO proof the 52% are illegal, once again you make stuff up using facts totally out of context... 11 million illegals could very well be the number and Pew makes ZERO attempt to claim otherwise... :roll:

Course the O'Keefe videos are highly edited attack propaganda but please point to where any of these tactics have been proven to have occurred... You claim Foval did this, the videos talk about how it could be done... if done where is the proof???

There is none, no deflection- just facts and the truth... something some seem unable to grasp... :peace
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Not surprised that you deflect and run away from your claim, "buying beer is not a right" lol
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No one is running away, the courts have ruled on this, oh and driving for that matter. One part I strongly disagree with is 'safety checkpoints' but the courts have ruled they are legal as driving isn't a right... :peace
 
OpportunityCost said:
From the OP link.


So making harsher penalties for breaking the law is now discriminatory? They don't specify race or nationality. I am guessing the judge is going with a disparate impact claim in this portion of the ruling. Or people, could, you know, stop breaking the law.



For some reason Texas is not allowed to restrict what IDs are used to verify identity. They offered 6. Apparently not enough for this judge. Why? We don't know. Its discriminatory he says. Why? We don't know.



Yeah, screw those white seniors. I know, I know, its so absurd to be laughable.



If they aren't breaking the law about their status as US citizens, they aren't committing perjury by making an affirmation they are a legal voter...The judge is advocating for people voting illegally in this instance. Their votes need to be "chilled"--they shouldn't be voting!



Someone please tell the judge how funding works. You pass the law, then you pass the funds in the next fiscal year if a law requires funding for an issue.

Its a ruling that could get overturned. The legislature made a good faith attempt to remedy the judge's ruling and the judge did not make a good faith consideration because the original framework was used. Its judicial arrogance hard at work.
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Thank OC for your post here....seeing some of the downright 'ass hatery' displayed by this "judge", one could only conclude that the 'illegal vote' is real, and being protected by a corrupted judicial system of partisans posing as judges.

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PeteEU said:
But an ID document (other than passport) should not have to connote residency or citizenship... the states own lists should have that on file. All the person should have to do, is prove that they are who they say they are, and then state should take that information and check if they are citizens and registered to vote.
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OK, how would they "prove they are who they say they are"???? Their say so?

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notquiteright said:
Again the truth is beyond you... many of those 52% non citizens can be here on VISAs... :doh

That is ZERO proof the 52% are illegal, once again you make stuff up using facts totally out of context... 11 million illegals could very well be the number and Pew makes ZERO attempt to claim otherwise... :roll:

Course the O'Keefe videos are highly edited attack propaganda but please point to where any of these tactics have been proven to have occurred... You claim Foval did this, the videos talk about how it could be done... if done where is the proof???

There is none, no deflection- just facts and the truth... something some seem unable to grasp... :peace
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Seems we have reached the 'don't believe your lyin' eyes, or ears' point :roll:

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Crovax said:
How can you claim voter fraud is a non existent issue when there is no way to check if there is voter fraud? It might not be an issue but there is no way of knowing that unless there is a method to weed out fraud
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its funny that the people who demand "universal background checks" for private gun sales and registration to enforce those claim that without such records, criminals can buy guns but then pretend that we don't need IDs to vote and there will be no vote fraud
 
TheGoverness said:
Are you saying that immigrants shouldn't be allowed to vote?
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that is a difficult question. It is federally illegal for a non-resident to vote in federal US elections.
so an immigrant can vote as long as they are a legal resident.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...harged-in-fake-fraudulent-voter-registrations

this is a problem that i have. all these bogus registrations then are used to generate mail in ballots.
next you still have people on voter roles that are dead but still voting how is that possible?

they finally caught 1 lady that had voted 6 times.

You have to have an ID to get a lot of things. How do these people get cell phones or anything else?
you have to present ID to exercise a lot of rights.

one of the most important of those is voting so i see no issue with requiring that you have a photo id to vote
and as long as the state is handing them out with no charge there is no burden on anyone to get one.
 
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