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Statue Wars: Houston Man arrested for trying to BLOW UP Confed. Statue

Skeptic Bob said:
Vandalism isn't terrorism. But it is definitely a crime and it is just a matter of time before someone gets hurt attempting these things.
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And by your logic that guy in Charolette should only be charged with wreckless driving

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apdst said:
It's a public area and he was trying to detonate the device during daylight hours. Obviously, he wasn't trying to avoid casualties.

The definition of terrorism doesn't specify human casualties.
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I would classify it as both a hate crime and terrorism

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TheGoverness said:
In the end, arguing over whether it's vandalism or not is semantics. What really matters here is that what he planned to do was dowright horrible, and totally indefensible. Attempting to destroy public property (especially with ****ing explosives) is totally unacceptable.
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Its more than semantics in terms of the penality he could face is dependent on how its charged.

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apdst said:
That isn't what the OP says.
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The OP article said "On Saturday evening". You said "in the middle of the day". So yes, you made it up - aka LYING!!!
 
Couldn't be that the current rhetoric floating around isn't fueling left-wing violent extremists? :confused:

Imagine the field day if it was a KKK member doing the same thing with a monument to MLK JR.
 
BWG said:
The OP article said "On Saturday evening". You said "in the middle of the day". So yes, you made it up - aka LYING!!!
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Not late night. Stop your own lying.
 
apdst said:
Not late night. Stop your own lying.
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The OP article said "On Saturday evening". The Blaze said "late Saturday night". You said "in the middle of the day". So yes, you made it up - aka LYING!!!
 
Deuce said:
I've used tannerite to blow all sorts of **** up, you going to call me a terrorist?
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Depends...was it your own **** you were blowing up?
 
VanceMack said:
Depends...was it your own **** you were blowing up?
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If I blew up the neighbor's subwoofer (dickhead likes to rattle the entire neighborhood) it still wouldn't constitute terrorism.
 
Deuce said:
If I blew up the neighbor's subwoofer (dickhead likes to rattle the entire neighborhood) it still wouldn't constitute terrorism.
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It would if you did it in the name of a cause.
 
trouble13 said:
And by your logic that guy in Charolette should only be charged with wreckless driving

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No, murder.

Whether it was terrorism depends on what led up to it. I'll copy and paste my reply to a similar question from a different thread.

Skeptic Bob said:
Yeah, but there was a lot going on there and we don't know what he had been doing prior to the crash. Let me give you two scenarios. I am putting myself into his head and trying to think like he might have. These obviously aren't how I personally feel.

A. Fields finds out there is going to be a Nazi rally and that there will also be counter-protesters there. He figures the counter-protesters will be a bunch of minorities and "race traitors". This could be his big opportunity to strike a blow for the cause. He has seen footage of how much damage a vehicle can do. So he makes plan to crash his vehicle into as many of the counter-protesters as possible to do the most damage. He goes to the rally, bides his time, and finds what he thinks is the perfect spot to make his move and he steps on the gas.

B. Fields finds out there is going to be a Nazi rally. He decides to go and march with them in solidarity. But during the march all these minorities and race traitors show up. "Go to your own damn rally", he thinks. And then things start getting violent. People are throwing stuff at each other and throwing punches. WTF?! Someone just spit on him! Now his blood is boiling. He always did have a bad temper but what right do these people have to come interfere with his first amendment right and spit on him and throw things at him? He walks away from the protest in a rage at what just happened to him. They want to fight? Yeah, well he'll show them. He gets into his car. "Throw things at me?!" he says to himself as he steps on the gas.

Scenario A is terrorism. Scenario B is murder in the heat of the moment. Both are horrible and both should earn him life behind bars. But they aren't both terrorism. And right now we don't know which of those scenarios is most similar to what actually happened.
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cuban smokes said:
with a name like Andrew Cecil Schneck (****?) WTF would we expect?

but what about those poor birds in the park? how many birds did dickhead kill with his silly putty bomb? .............
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Native Houstonian here....Theyre actually a prominent Houston family. The mother has her own art galleries, and theyre quite wealthy
 
Fenton said:
Native Houstonian here....Theyre actually a prominent Houston family. The mother has her own art galleries, and theyre quite wealthy
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Wealthy enough to make him eccentric, instead of plain nuts? That probably takes hundreds of $M's these days, not just tens.
 
digsbe said:
Couldn't be that the current rhetoric floating around isn't fueling left-wing violent extremists? :confused:

Imagine the field day if it was a KKK member doing the same thing with a monument to MLK JR.
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Lol....Its so the other way around.

Left wing groups like ANTIFA and BLM are fueled by their own twisted ideas and agenda and were assaulting Trump supporters and shuting down Conservative speakers at Universities long before Charlottesville.
 
Fenton said:
Native Houstonian here....Theyre actually a prominent Houston family. The mother has her own art galleries, and theyre quite wealthy
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so, the perp had lots-O-mamas money to buy bomb making materials with? that's nice

maybe they can go with that dumbass 'affluenza' defense like that DUI prick up in DFW that killed a few innocents ...............
 
Grand Mal said:
Wealthy enough to make him eccentric, instead of plain nuts? That probably takes hundreds of $M's these days, not just tens.
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They found nitroglycerin and a explosive organic compound on him called hexamethylene.

My guess he's a Chemistry major ? Who knows, but they had to evacuate his very high end West Houson Rice University neighborhood to remotely detonate the stash he had at home.
 
cuban smokes said:
so, the perp had lots-O-mamas money to buy bomb making materials with? that's nice

maybe they can go with that dumbass 'affluenza' defense like that DUI prick up in DFW that killed a few innocents ...............
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And apparently a Chemistry degree or at least background.

He had nitroglycerin on him. The highly unstable explosive that can detonate on contact.

Joggers use that park, clumsy joggers even.It could have been a tragedy
 
Fenton said:
They found nitroglycerin and a explosive organic compound on him called hexamethylene.

My guess he's a Chemistry major ? Who knows, but they had to evacuate his very high end West Houson Rice University neighborhood to remotely detonate the stash he had at home.
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Maybe beyond eccentricity.
They found that stuff 'on him', as in he was carrying it around? Sounds like they found a loose cannon just in time.
 
Fenton said:
And apparently a Chemistry degree or at least background.

He had nitroglycerin on him. The highly unstable explosive that can detonate on contact.

Joggers use that park, clumsy joggers even.It could have been a tragedy
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so, what we have here is a domestic terrorist ............. put him under the prison slab ................
 
Skeptic Bob said:
No, murder.

Whether it was terrorism depends on what led up to it. I'll copy and paste my reply to a similar question from a different thread.
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There is at least 1 more possible scenerio

That poor little guy was afraid for his life and drove away in a state of panic. He may of felt threatened by the violent behavior of antifa and is guilty of wreckless driving.

My point being is that I can soft sell something the sameway some of you are trying to soft sell detonating an explosive device on public property. You wanna call that simple vandalism, fine. Im calling running a person over with a car wreckless driving. I will even take it a step farther and suggest the woman should be charged with jay walking for being in the street but not in the crosswalk. Thats illegal and that entire mob should all get tickets.

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VanceMack said:
It would if you did it in the name of a cause.
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Does "in the name of preserving the neighborhood's ability to sleep at 3am" count as a cause?
 
Deuce said:
Does "in the name of preserving the neighborhood's ability to sleep at 3am" count as a cause?
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Sure. Once you start excusing and justifying violence in the name of a cause, where does it end?
 
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