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Secret Service: Trump is Not Our Only Problem.

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People have recently raised the issue of the high cost of protecting the current President after a recent USA Today article blaming him for increased costs.

However:

The U.S. Secret Service is facing money problems — but that's not President Donald Trump's fault, the agency's director said Monday, in response to a report that the First Family was straining protective resources.

Secret Service Director Randolph "Tex" Alles said funding for roughly 1,100 agents working overtime in 2017 is not an issue "that can be attributed to the current Administration’s protection requirements alone, but rather has been an ongoing issue for nearly a decade due to an overall increase in operational tempo."

Alles told USA Today the agency is handling an unprecedented number of White House officials who need protection. Under Trump, 42 people have protection, including 18 members of the Trump family. That's up from 31 during the Obama administration.
"The president has a large family, and our responsibility is required in law,'' Alles told the newspaper. "I can't change that. I have no flexibility.''

Our agency experienced a similar situation in calendar year 2016 that resulted in legislation that allowed Secret Service employees to exceed statutory caps on pay," Alles said.
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Secret Service: Trump'''s Not Our Only Problem - NBC News

Sooo...the President has a larger family than the prior administration (see 18 family members of the 42 people who have S.S. protection vs what number of the 31 under President Obama? (Strangely, I cant find that number in any search engine, I wonder why?)

In any case, blaming this cost on Trump's "vacations" is a bit disingenuous IMO. Just saying. :coffeepap:
 
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Captain Adverse said:
People have recently raised the issue of the high cost of protecting the current President after a recent USA Today article blaming him for increased costs.

However:

Secret Service: Trump'''s Not Our Only Problem - NBC News

Sooo...the President has a larger family than the prior administration (see 18 family members of the 42 people who have S.S. protection vs what number of the 31 under President Obama? (Strangely, I cant find that number in any search engine, I wonder why?)

In any case, blaming this cost on Trump's "vacations" is a bit disingenuous IMO. Just saying. :coffeepap:
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Actually disingenuous are Trump's comments about never taking a vacation or leaving the WH. Much like most of what he says.
 
Complaining about Secret Service costs has ALWAYS been disingenuous.

And the only people who should be upset about all the vacation time Trump takes are people who voted for him and want his proposed policy changes. If you don't support Trump and don't want his policy changes then you should welcome his many vacations.
 
The Mainstream Media, their talking potato heads, the Democrats, the GOP Elites...and, of course, the useful idiots...will push anything they can spin into somehow looking bad for Trump.

This is just another example.
 
Captain Adverse said:
People have recently raised the issue of the high cost of protecting the current President after a recent USA Today article blaming him for increased costs.

However:

Secret Service: Trump'''s Not Our Only Problem - NBC News

Sooo...the President has a larger family than the prior administration (see 18 family members of the 42 people who have S.S. protection vs what number of the 31 under President Obama? (Strangely, I cant find that number in any search engine, I wonder why?)

In any case, blaming this cost on Trump's "vacations" is a bit disingenuous IMO. Just saying. :coffeepap:
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Ever the Trump apologist. It is not only hypocrisy from a liar that said he would not take vacations and criticized Obama's travel when he is exceeding Obama's travel by far. So no no it is not Trump's fault and just to be consistent, it is Obama's fault. But to be fair, he is changing that, he is not going to the Kennedy Center Awards...
 
Top Cat said:
Actually disingenuous are Trump's comments about never taking a vacation or leaving the WH. Much like most of what he says.
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It will be dismissed as a little thing, "so what?".

However it's so brazen and so obvious that it more or less says everything he has said is a lie.

I hired a guy once who in the interview said "I am never late." He was late every day, usually by about 7 to 10 minutes just enough that a firing might be illegal. I was then I remembered my grandfather saying "Never trust anyone who has to tell you he's honest, honest people know they are."


Trump's entire platform revolved around "trust me, I'm rich."
 
Captain Adverse said:
People have recently raised the issue of the high cost of protecting the current President after a recent USA Today article blaming him for increased costs.

However:

Secret Service: Trump'''s Not Our Only Problem - NBC News

Sooo...the President has a larger family than the prior administration (see 18 family members of the 42 people who have S.S. protection vs what number of the 31 under President Obama? (Strangely, I cant find that number in any search engine, I wonder why?)

In any case, blaming this cost on Trump's "vacations" is a bit disingenuous IMO. Just saying. :coffeepap:
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Im not sure how i feel about this.
If its a hard cap, find as long os it stands for all of them.

Question is do we want to cap how much we spend on protecting our presidents.

Im not really intetested in how much we dprnd on trump or past potus safety.

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Captain Adverse said:
People have recently raised the issue of the high cost of protecting the current President after a recent USA Today article blaming him for increased costs.

However:

Secret Service: Trump'''s Not Our Only Problem - NBC News

Sooo...the President has a larger family than the prior administration (see 18 family members of the 42 people who have S.S. protection vs what number of the 31 under President Obama? (Strangely, I cant find that number in any search engine, I wonder why?)

In any case, blaming this cost on Trump's "vacations" is a bit disingenuous IMO. Just saying. :coffeepap:
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Himself, wife, five children, three children-in-law, and eight grandchildren = 18
Obama, wife, and two children = 4
 
Hillary R Clinton could have made the Secret Service costs as an issue when she ran. If she'd been elected, there would have only been the additional costs of Chelsea, her husband, and her child. In addition, Donald J Trump lives in New York (city). It's one of the most expensive places to rent offices, apartments, etc. Securing George W Bush's ranch or Jimmy Carter's farm was pretty inexpensive in comparison.

Anyone remember when the Secret Service decided that they needed two buses to transport the president? It was the Secret Service that ordered those buses, not President Obama. Were they expensive? You bet. The new limos that Trump travels in? Most expensive cars on the planet, but that isn't his fault.
 
Fearandloathing said:
It will be dismissed as a little thing, "so what?".

However it's so brazen and so obvious that it more or less says everything he has said is a lie.

I hired a guy once who in the interview said "I am never late." He was late every day, usually by about 7 to 10 minutes just enough that a firing might be illegal. I was then I remembered my grandfather saying "Never trust anyone who has to tell you he's honest, honest people know they are."


Trump's entire platform revolved around "trust me, I'm rich."
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And Obama's platform revolved around "yes we can" but ended up being "we can't be bothered to try"

Your point is?
 
Captain Adverse said:
People have recently raised the issue of the high cost of protecting the current President after a recent USA Today article blaming him for increased costs.

However:

Secret Service: Trump'''s Not Our Only Problem - NBC News

Sooo...the President has a larger family than the prior administration (see 18 family members of the 42 people who have S.S. protection vs what number of the 31 under President Obama? (Strangely, I cant find that number in any search engine, I wonder why?)

In any case, blaming this cost on Trump's "vacations" is a bit disingenuous IMO. Just saying. :coffeepap:
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Unfortunately Obama's extended family was to be excluded. Though I honestly believe that is because of conflicting family ties like his father, mother etc..etc
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Complaining about Secret Service costs has ALWAYS been disingenuous.

And the only people who should be upset about all the vacation time Trump takes are people who voted for him and want his proposed policy changes. If you don't support Trump and don't want his policy changes then you should welcome his many vacations.
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He does not get must done in or out of the Whitehouse in any case.
 
Mycroft said:
The Mainstream Media, their talking potato heads, the Democrats, the GOP Elites...and, of course, the useful idiots...will push anything they can spin into somehow looking bad for Trump.

This is just another example.
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No one need to look hard to find something bad to report on our so call president and it time for anyone who voted for him to apologized not only to his or her fellow citizens but to the rest of the world also.
 
Captain Adverse said:
People have recently raised the issue of the high cost of protecting the current President after a recent USA Today article blaming him for increased costs.

However:

Secret Service: Trump'''s Not Our Only Problem - NBC News

Sooo...the President has a larger family than the prior administration (see 18 family members of the 42 people who have S.S. protection vs what number of the 31 under President Obama? (Strangely, I cant find that number in any search engine, I wonder why?)

In any case, blaming this cost on Trump's "vacations" is a bit disingenuous IMO. Just saying. :coffeepap:
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Except it is not just Trump's vacations (even though he keep traveling here there and everywhere when he promised to barely ever going to leave the WH and having no time for golfing. It is his sons/daughters and their travels and business junkets. That is something that did not happen during the Obama era.

And on top of it being Trump's traveling it is the financial decisions made about maximum overtime, etc. that is seriously hampering their manpower and readiness.
 
The protection provided by the Secret Service is determined by federal law

18 U.S. Code § 3056 - Powers, authorities, and duties of United States Secret Service

(a) Under the direction of the Secretary of Homeland Security, the United States Secret Service is authorized to protect the following persons:
(1) The President, the Vice President (or other officer next in the order of succession to the Office of President), the President-elect, and the Vice President-elect.
(2) The immediate families of those individuals listed in paragraph (1).
(3) Former Presidents and their spouses for their lifetimes, except that protection of a spouse shall terminate in the event of remarriage.
(4) Children of a former President who are under 16 years of age.
(5) Visiting heads of foreign states or foreign governments.
(6) Other distinguished foreign visitors to the United States and official representatives of the United States performing special missions abroad when the President directs that such protection be provided.
(7) Major Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates and, within 120 days of the general Presidential election, the spouses of such candidates. As used in this paragraph, the term “major Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates” means those individuals identified as such by the Secretary of Homeland Security after consultation with an advisory committee consisting of the Speaker of the House of Representatives, the minority leader of the House of Representatives, the majority and minority leaders of the Senate, and one additional member selected by the other members of the committee. The Committee shall not be subject to the Federal Advisory Committee Act (5 U.S.C. App. 2).
(8) Former Vice Presidents, their spouses, and their children who are under 16 years of age, for a period of not more than six months after the date the former Vice President leaves office. The Secretary of Homeland Security shall have the authority to direct the Secret Service to provide temporary protection for any of these individuals at any time thereafter if the Secretary of Homeland Security or designee determines that information or conditions warrant such protection.
The protection authorized in paragraphs (2) through (8) may be declined.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3056
 
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BillRM said:
No one need to look hard to find something bad to report on our so call president
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You are correct. The Mainstream Media and all the rest I mentioned (except, of course, the useful idiots...they just repeat ****) are masters at spin, lies and innuendo. Anything Trump says or does is easily turned into something bad...no matter how good it is.

and it time for anyone who voted for him to apologized not only to his or her fellow citizens but to the rest of the world also.
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No, the people who voted for him only need to recognize these actions against our President...and they do. The ones who should be apologizing are those conducting this witch hunt.

The rest of the world deserve nothing from us except the understanding that they must deal with a President who places US interests first.
 
Mycroft said:
You are correct. The Mainstream Media and all the rest I mentioned (except, of course, the useful idiots...they just repeat ****) are masters at spin, lies and innuendo. Anything Trump says or does is easily turned into something bad...no matter how good it is.



No, the people who voted for him only need to recognize these actions against our President...and they do. The ones who should be apologizing are those conducting this witch hunt.

The rest of the world deserve nothing from us except the understanding that they must deal with a President who places US interests first.
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So trump didn't lie when he said he would be too busy in the whitehouse to golf?

The only problem is his army of trumpbots with their heads up their asses and their tongues on trumps taint that continue to defend trumps lies.
 
Mycroft said:
(except, of course, the useful idiots...they just repeat ****) are masters at spin, lies and innuendo. .
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Isn't it a bit weird for someone who believes Obamas birth certificates were fake, to say that?
 
Praxas said:
So trump didn't lie when he said he would be too busy in the whitehouse to golf?

The only problem is his army of trumpbots with their heads up their asses and their tongues on trumps taint that continue to defend trumps lies.
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I'd like to refer you back to what I said about useful idiots.

Don't waste my time repeating ****.
 
Mycroft said:
I'd like to refer you back to what I said about useful idiots.

Don't waste my time repeating ****.
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You mean repeating the truth that you can't even admit trump lied like he trumpbot you are?
 
Mycroft said:
I'd like to refer you back to what I said about useful idiots.

Don't waste my time repeating ****.
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Oborosen said:
And Obama's platform revolved around "yes we can" but ended up being "we can't be bothered to try"

Your point is?
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And YOUR point is? Blah, blah blah, always refer to Obama, Hilary, or any other democrat whenever Trump steps in ****.

What does Obama have to do with it? Seriously? If you want to go there, Trump has played more golf so far than Obama did in 8 years.

Bad mad move

That obsession with "what about" only shows that Trump is as bad as Obama at worst.

Stupid post
 
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Mycroft said:
The Mainstream Media, their talking potato heads, the Democrats, the GOP Elites...and, of course, the useful idiots...will push anything they can spin into somehow looking bad for Trump.

This is just another example.
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Yes, the President of the United States is a victim....everyone is out to not only "get" him but the "MSM" too.

You righties simply MUST have enemies, real or imagined. The most paranoid administration in history and like in the world behind North Korea.

This **** is old and sick. You've been hiding behind it since the election.

It is noted that no one has questioned the veracity of the report, only that "they're out to get us"

Not only is the mental state of Trump under serious question, but one needs to be raised about those who can only post this crap.

"poor me, porr me"....kids loose that at two.
 
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