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Ryan: 'There is no moral relativism when it comes to neo-Nazis'

Lovebug said:
Even idiots have a right to speak. Standing there, armed and stewing in their own hate doesn't incite violence in peaceful people. When equally hateful people are confronting them and getting in their faces, it does. Walking by with heads turned wouldn't have caused any violence.
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The point is that there ARE no equally hateful people. Walking by with heads turned merely appeases evil.
 
Manc Skipper said:
The nazis come armed, armoured and filled with vitriolic hate, ready to incite violence then claim to be victims. Nazi 101.
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Antifa and BLM and other violent Left wing groups have been doing that for months, attacking Trump supporters and justifying it by calling anyone who disagrees with them Fascsist.
 
Manc Skipper said:
The point is that there ARE no equally hateful people. Walking by with heads turned merely appeases evil.
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We shouldn't put a measuring stick on hatred. Hating one another is a no no, hating on ethnicity, color or religion or difference of opinion. There are no righteous haters.
 
HowardBThiname said:
This.
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I have come to the conclusion that we have lost faith in Humanity, we have lost faith in civilization, we have lost faith in reason, we have lost faith in technical society....we dont believe in anything or anyone anymore and we are scared, so we have reverted back to the ways of the Dark Ages.

That plus we have grown lazy and stupid.

Spiritually broken, stupid and lazy...

Big pain is coming.
 
Fruityfact said:
Ryan is pandering, if he actually cared, he would've denounced trump as he was running, and when he was elected, and when he started doing dumb things left and right.

As to your other point, you march with NAZIs, you're a NAZI. There are no "good" NAZIs.
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You know there were people there not with the Unite the Right correct?

Just as well there were people counter-protesting who were not Antifa, but had a valid point to make in all that.

Your identity politics do not work here.

Unless you have a more valid argument to make?
If that is the case I am all for hearing it.
 
Mach said:
And there it is.
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Wow for a second there I thought you would actually come back with something viable, and then we both could have this whole spiel about the horrors of identity politics, and how the welfare system has been helping to destroy peoples lives. Though its strange to see how such a thing plays out on here, I never truly thought I would see it myself. So many people on here will openly label themselves as either liberal, progressive, and sometimes even independent. But are so unwilling, or even inept at debating their views that it becomes a joke whenever they post an abjection to basically anything they perceive as a sleight.

Rutger Hauer would be so disappointed.

Not to mention ol Roy in that pic there... even the dove looks sad.
 
Oborosen said:
You know there were people there not with the Unite the Right correct?

Just as well there were people counter-protesting who were not Antifa, but had a valid point to make in all that.

Your identity politics do not work here.

Unless you have a more valid argument to make?
If that is the case I am all for hearing it.
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That doesn't counter my point. You march with NAZIs, you're a NAZI
 
Fruityfact said:
That doesn't counter my point. You march with NAZIs, you're a NAZI
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So if you are even remotely a democrat, your a racist?

Of if you are an Antifa member, your a fascist?

Cool, as long as you want to keep that distinction then I can keep mine.

Though your narrow point of view doesn't change the fact that there were people there for protecting the statue, that were not Nazis. Its good to see the logical fallacy you purport.
 
Oborosen said:
So if you are even remotely a democrat, your a racist?

Of if you are an Antifa member, your a fascist?

Cool, as long as you want to keep that distinction then I can keep mine.

Though your narrow point of view doesn't change the fact that there were people there for protecting the statue, that were not Nazis. Its good to see the logical fallacy you purport.
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You march with NAZIs, YOU'RE a NAZI.
 
Fruityfact said:
You march with NAZIs, YOU'RE a NAZI.
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Too bad for you, people where there protesting the removal of the statue. Who weren't marching with the Nazi's so your statement is already proven false on its face value alone. You can try to throw people all in one pot like the usual bigoted jackasses do, but that kind of wide swing of a brush does not work in the real world.
 
Rogue Valley said:
I applaud the words and sentiment here of Speaker Ryan. "Moral relativism" on such an issue is inexcusable. Nazism, racism, and bigotry must be confronted everywhere and always by all Americans ... especially those in power.
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You don't find him to be hillariously, but probably unintentionally, hypocritical at all?

The reason we don't relativize Nazism is because it was very bad.
It was not bad because of the brown shirts, swastikas, or ideas about racial supermacy. It was bad because of the methods it used to carry out those ideas.
Therefore there can be no moral relativism when it comes to those methods. Which is exactly what Ryan is guilty of by denouncing one side but not another, who uses those methods.
That makes him either a fool who focuses on superficial symbols over actual substance, or a populist who is smart enough to know that his target audiance does.
 
Manc Skipper said:
The nazis come armed, armoured and filled with vitriolic hate, ready to incite violence then claim to be victims. Nazi 101.
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Then maybe the dumbass antifa shouldn't attack them? You get 5 minutes for fighting even when the other guy got 2 minutes for instigating.




The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).
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Manc Skipper said:
The point is that there ARE no equally hateful people. Walking by with heads turned merely appeases evil.
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You don't seem to get it.

Nobody gives a **** about you or anyone else protesting these dumbasses. I don't think I've seen a single person on this website condemn people for protesting. In fact, most people are careful to point that out.

The problem is that ANTIFA has continually reacted with violence. And they are openly tolerant of it. THAT is the issue we have here. Why not stand up against that childish behavior? It only encourages the kkk wackos to become more militant.




The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).
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Rogue Valley said:
Ryan: 'There is no moral relativism when it comes to neo-Nazis'



I applaud the words and sentiment here of Speaker Ryan. "Moral relativism" on such an issue is inexcusable. Nazism, racism, and bigotry must be confronted everywhere and always by all Americans ... especially those in power.
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Most progressives liberals applaud Paul Ryan for the most part Ryan is one of them. What a joke this Ryan guy turned out to be.
Whwn he was masquerading as the Republican Vice President Joe Biden toyed with him in the VP debate, he can't or won't get
one thing passed. In the next few presidential cycles I wouldn't be surprised if he changed party affiliations!
 
slick said:
Most progressives liberals applaud Paul Ryan for the most part Ryan is one of them. What a joke this Ryan guy turned out to be.
Whwn he was masquerading as the Republican Vice President Joe Biden toyed with him in the VP debate, he can't or won't get
one thing passed. In the next few presidential cycles I wouldn't be surprised if he changed party affiliations!
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Ryan tried (AHCA) to remove the healthcare of 24 million Americans so he could give billions in tax breaks to the wealthiest 1%. Ryan is GOP all right.
 
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