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Trump to announce new strategy — and probably more troops — for Afghanistan

coldjoint said:
Islam creates the terrorists. My quotes about terror in another thread shut you up pretty fast. Would you like to see more that show terrorists are inspired by Muhammad and he is their role model?

And "tough guy"? Do you think insulting me changes something about the fact terrorists have to die if freedom is to survive? It doesn't.
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Only a fool believes getting the last word means he's won the argument.

Islam doesn't create terrorists, it can be used as a tool for recruitment, but it's not the be all and end all of the answer.

Unlike you I'm not afraid to say I don't have all the answers, but "kill all the bad guys" is a cartoonish, immature and completely non-sensical answer to the question of Afghanistan which is far more complicated than that.
 
apdst said:
The only way to neutralize the enemy is to kill them.

I know you want us to lose, but don't lie about the realities of warfare.
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It's a cartoonish, immature and completely nonsense answer to the question of Afghanistan, I'm not afraid to say I don't have all the answers.

But you've demonstrated, constantly that you actually don't understand history or warfare in the least, you only offer the simplest of answers that have little to no substance, only feel good, tough sounding statements.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
The US has by far superior firepower, and the bases it does have are well defended. The Taliban would be suicidal to attempt to attack those. So they don't. They attack the Afghan government forces and security services. In that the Taliban seem to be doing ok at.
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That's why we need to amp up the violence directed at the Taliban.
 
justabubba said:
a corrupt, uncooperative government and a population that largely resents the US military presence



















i described the situation in south vietnam
does it seem like any situation we are experiencing today?
why would it be expected to end differently?
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Maybe the answer to afghanistans problems is to partition it into smaller states. Since the corrupt government in Kabul seems interested in exploiting the positions of power, maybe it is time we limit kabuls cash flow.
 
Jetboogieman said:
It's a cartoonish, immature and completely nonsense answer to the question of Afghanistan, I'm not afraid to say I don't have all the answers.

But you've demonstrated, constantly that you actually don't understand history or warfare in the least, you only offer the simplest of answers that have little to no substance, only feel good, tough sounding statements.
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I obviously understsnd warfare more than you do.

An army's soul mission is to destroy the enemy's will to make war. To do that, they have to kill the enemy.
 
apdst said:
I obviously understsnd warfare more than you do.

An army's soul mission is to destroy the enemy's will to make war. To do that, they have to kill the enemy.
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Winning a war is not solely about winning battles, especially in a case like Afghanistan where you're not fighting a conventional force, all you offer is cartoonish, immature and simple feel good answers to very complex issues.

If I had all the answers I'd be getting paid some good analysts wage somewhere in a think tank or the DOD.

But we've been killing the tallies for 16 ****ing years now and haven't gotten anywhere, what can laughably be called your "solution" is a joke.

And no, killing indiscriminately without regard for collateral damage is NOT going to help either.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Only a fool believes getting the last word means he's won the argument.

Islam doesn't create terrorists, it can be used as a tool for recruitment, but it's not the be all and end all of the answer.

Unlike you I'm not afraid to say I don't have all the answers, but "kill all the bad guys" is a cartoonish, immature and completely non-sensical answer to the question of Afghanistan which is far more complicated than that.
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I agree that you are most likely an expert on what fools think. And Islam does create terrorists. It is the main motivator and designed to be just that. Would there be Islamic terror without Islam?

I hope that question is not to tough for you.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Because American pride comes before practicality.
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it's as if we have collective amnesia and are unable to remember the stupidity we previously committed
 
Jetboogieman said:
Winning a war is not solely about winning battles, especially in a case like Afghanistan where you're not fighting a conventional force, all you offer is cartoonish, immature and simple feel good answers to very complex issues.

If I had all the answers I'd be getting paid some good analysts wage somewhere in a think tank or the DOD.

But we've been killing the tallies for 16 ****ing years now and haven't gotten anywhere, what can laughably be called your "solution" is a joke.

And no, killing indiscriminately without regard for collateral damage is NOT going to help either.
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Destroyinh the enemy's will to make war is the objective of any war.

Explain, in detail the strategy used in Afghanistan. Show your work.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Some people refuse to learn because then that would mean admitting that we as a nation made a mistake.
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ah, the same ones who will insist we did not lose that war
 
apdst said:
Destroyinh the enemy's will to make war is the objective of any war.

Explain, in detail the strategy used in Afghanistan. Show your work.
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The entire might of the Soviet Union without ANY regard for human life couldn't win in Afghanistan, you are foolish to believe with your immature and cartoonish answers to a non-conventional war that you can win by just "killing the bad guys".

Afghanistan is not Death Wish starring Charles Bronson.
 
Jetboogieman said:
But we've been killing the tallies for 16 ****ing years now and haven't gotten anywhere, what can laughably be called your "solution" is a joke.
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Too many people are simply too stupid to grasp that killing alone is not victory. The Soviets have been killing them before and with hardly the restrictions we have and still could not win.
 
coldjoint said:
I agree that you are most likely an expert on what fools think. And Islam does create terrorists. It is the main motivator and designed to be just that. Would there be Islamic terror without Islam?
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More of your moronic reasoning. The world never realized that all the Irish converted from Catholicism to Islam.
 
apdst said:
Destroyinh the enemy's will to make war is the objective of any war.

Explain, in detail the strategy used in Afghanistan. Show your work.
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Hannibal Barca had destroyed three roman armies at the battles of trebia, lake tresimine, and cannae. Despite inflicting appalling losses to Rome, Hannibal was unable to break romes will to fight.

The taliban cannot be beaten by brute force, 16 years of warfare has not provided us with a decisive victory. The taliban continue to persist because they are able to rally support from afghanistans population, who hate the corrupt government in Kabul more than the taliban.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Because American pride comes before practicality.
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American pride or American virility and what is left of it? These terrorists are more than happy to kill to get what they want. Why shouldn't we be willing to kill to keep what we have? It is not meant to be pleasant but it is necessary and a vital characteristic a civilization needs to survive. The progressive hero Teddy Roosevelt said as much.
 
coldjoint said:
American pride or American virility and what is left of it? These terrorists are more than happy to kill to get what they want. Why shouldn't we be willing to kill to keep what we have? It is not meant to be pleasant but it is necessary and a vital characteristic a civilization needs to survive. The progressive hero Teddy Roosevelt said as much.
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Look I know the idea of killing Muslims indiscriminately is an EXTREMELY appealing idea to the likes of you, but it ain't gonna do much of anything for anyone.
 
prometeus said:
More of your moronic reasoning. The world never realized that all the Irish converted from Catholicism to Islam.
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Anything on topic? Try answering the question. Yes or no.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Look I know the idea of killing Muslims indiscriminately is an EXTREMELY appealing idea to the likes of you, but it ain't gonna do much of anything for anyone.
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I never said that, and either did the president. Try sticking to the facts. And stop the insults.
 
coldjoint said:
I never said that, and either did the president. Try sticking to the facts. And stop the insults.
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The idea has ALWAYS been that the reason we can't win in Afghanistan is because we're being too soft and being too mindful of civilian casualties, and if we could just get past that and if a few more innocent people die along with the terrorists, then we'd win.

Don't try and pretend otherwise because you said:

coldjoint said:
Killing them all sounds like a plan, and the collateral damage is up to the people of Afghanistan. If they choose to live with terrorists they support them, if they don't and are forced to it is a stark fact that their deaths are necessary to kill these terrorists.
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You condone the indiscriminate killing of civilians.
 
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