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Protesters call for removal of Christopher Columbus statue

Columbus actually captures slaves HIMSELF and was present.

He was actually there when they began Christian conversion and did acts of terrorism by murdering babies in front of villages that wouldnt convert.

Columbus was a completely evil piece of ****.



Skip to 2:30 to skip all the basic ****.
 
Sorry, but that's nonsense. To take one example, the Normans, who became the aristocracy of England, were Vikings.

It's obvious you're indulging in viking fantasy. The foundation of the US via English aristocracy, haha.

Ever heard of The Enlightenment? That's the foundation of the US and Western world. Spare us the Norse worship.
 
It's obvious you're indulging in viking fantasy. The foundation of the US via English aristocracy, haha.

Ever heard of The Enlightenment? That's the foundation of the US and Western world. Spare us the Norse worship.

The issue being discussed was something else entirely. Learn first, then post.

I agree with you about the Enlightenment.
 
The irony in all of this is far left groups such as antifa, BLM and a long list of well funded leftist organizations in their quest to take down not just Confederate statues but Christopher Columbus statues, are actually attempting to do the same thing the KKK started in the 1920's. There was a big nationwide effort by the KKK in the 1920's to oppose statues of Columbus as well as celebrations in his name.

They despised Columbus because he was not Anglo but Italian. They despised him because he was Catholic. The Klan targeted more than African Americans. They targeted Jews and Catholics too.

In attacking Columbus, Antifa tries to finish what the Klan started | TheHill

KKK Opposed Columbus Statues Too: Author | The Daily Caller


So ask yourself....
Which political party has a faction of politicians like Bill deBlasio supporting the removal of Christopher Columbus statues just like the KKK in the 1920's?
Which political party today has factions attacking religious liberty and free speech such as the left leaning group called the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) who lists Christian groups as hate groups for their traditional beliefs on marriage?
Which political party has a growing faction of Antisemitism like equating Zionism with White Nationalism?
 
The irony in all of this is far left groups such as antifa, BLM and a long list of well funded leftist organizations in their quest to take down not just Confederate statues but Christopher Columbus statues, are actually attempting to do the same thing the KKK started in the 1920's. There was a big nationwide effort by the KKK in the 1920's to oppose statues of Columbus as well as celebrations in his name.

They despised Columbus because he was not Anglo but Italian. They despised him because he was Catholic. The Klan targeted more than African Americans. They targeted Jews and Catholics too.

In attacking Columbus, Antifa tries to finish what the Klan started | TheHill

KKK Opposed Columbus Statues Too: Author | The Daily Caller


So ask yourself....
Which political party has a faction of politicians like Bill deBlasio supporting the removal of Christopher Columbus statues just like the KKK in the 1920's?
Which political party today has factions attacking religious liberty and free speech such as the left leaning group called the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) who lists Christian groups as hate groups for their traditional beliefs on marriage?
Which political party has a growing faction of Antisemitism like equating Zionism with White Nationalism?

Simultaneous with the migration of anti-Semitism from right to left.
 
Few are. Including myself. Are you a saint?



The Muslim expansion had cut the West off from India. Columbus set sail to find a new route to India. He did not land in India but he had more balls then a million "men" in the European Union combined today or a million "men" in "America" today. No one is calling for the dismantling of the name "America" though are they (derived from another Italian).

Those we call "Indians" in the Americas are not the Indians Columbus thought he had encountered because as you note... he never arrived in India.



The disease blame game is a dangerous one. Because diseases still spread from one nation or population to another today, and one can easily stigmatize entire peoples. Stigmatize whole nations in various Developing Countries.

So, I prefer to take a more "enlightened" view over issues about diseases.



Now, this is 100% false, so false its tantamount to calling all Muslims terrorists, actually its more false than that. The Catholic Church had the complete opposite view point. Number one, the Church does not baptize "subhumans" or give them the other sacraments of the Church including the Holy Eucharist. You ever see Priests giving communion bread and wine to dogs and horses? No.

You are thinking of some of the Protestant churches in the United States of America. They are the one's that held that opinion.

The hierarchy of the Catholic Church attempted to protect the Amerindians from the excessive nature of the white man, the white laity. Usually they failed because the white laity had the guns and could simply drive them out. Nonetheless, at one point, under the Jesuits in Latin America the largest land army in the whole of the Americas was Amerindian, trained and armed by Jesuits, as the Jesuits got fed up with white laymen ambushing and abducting Amerindians belonging to Jesuit Reductions.

Modern day Detroit and LA look like a living hell hole compared to the Jesuit Reductions, a somewhat socialist paradise, in which everyone had a home, food, and was given medical care no matter what.

Not all Amerindian nations were the same (no more than all European nations). Some were extremely war-like, other more peaceful. With the peaceful Amerindian nations the Catholic priest often wrote condescending of them as being "innocents." Because they walked around butt naked like an innocent child. The Church never once proclaimed Amerindians to be subhuman. Not to say that some individual priests may not have felt that way. But that's like Muslim bombers. A small percent.



Have you ever read about the Amerindians of "Oregon Country" or the Amerindians of Mexico that were known as Aztecs?

Trust when I say this... they all mass murdered and to a jaw dropping level. The Aztecs in particular in relation to their demonic god worshiping with human sacrificial offerings.

A number of those Amerindian nations of Oregon Country were savages. Yeah, that's what I said. When you raid a small party of travelers and then roast the infant children over fire in front of their mothers, when you torture men for days, dancing around them in ecstatic celebration, you're pretty much a damned savage. This was common warfare practice of these nomadic or semi-nomadic Amerindian nations of the Southwest and Northwest. It was not all Amerindian nations of course. Some were pretty peaceful people. But the Amerindians were not one monolithic group.

Had the Aztecs the technological ability, they would have gone to Europe.
However, is not entirely true that the Church never treated the Indians as subhumans. The determination that this was a new land led to theological problems--- who the heck were these people living there and how did they get there? It was around 1530 that the Churcj pronounced the Indians as humans.
 
Christopher Columbus never set foot on mainland North America. As far as the Vikings, there is evidence that the Celts arrived before them

Columbus may have opened routes to the new world, but he did not "discover" North America.
 
Christopher Columbus never set foot on mainland North America. As far as the Vikings, there is evidence that the Celts arrived before them

Columbus may have opened routes to the new world, but he did not "discover" North America.

I agree about the Celts. Have you read The Farfarers?

Leave out the word "discover" and simply focus on the fact that Columbus's voyage was consequential, while the others were not.
 
Christopher Columbus never set foot on mainland North America. As far as the Vikings, there is evidence that the Celts arrived before them

Columbus may have opened routes to the new world, but he did not "discover" North America.

Dont see where anyone said he did.
 
It's a relative term, yes? It was unknown to Europe, and thus in some European-centric view, it was "discovered" because it became known to them at that point.

I know, but it's more like "late to the party" than discovery.
 
I know, but it's more like "late to the party" than discovery.

Actually to the European, it was discovery. And to native Americans, it's not.
 
Actually to the European, it was discovery. And to native Americans, it's not.

Not if you count the Vikings as Europeans. They'd been back and forth for decades.
 
This is ridiculous. It's getting out of hand. No matter who the statue is of, if it is public property, it should not be vandalized or torn down just because you or your groups wants it to be. It should be up to whichever governmental entity owns the property it is on with input from those who are citizens under the authority of that government. Present your case, respectfully, within the meetings, even to the public as a whole before the meetings or prior to a vote, and let that determine whether they stay up or down.

That being said, I believe any historical statues that are removed should be put into a statue park in remembrance of history, regardless of who had/has an issue or takes offense from those statues.
 
Actually to the European, it was discovery. And to native Americans, it's not.

Did you register here specifically to resurrect a 6 month dead thread?
 
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