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Donald Trump's approval rating lowest since taking office, Marist Poll shows

Cardinal said:
I'm aware of that, and that's great. But the media narrative has been locked on several themes:

1)Are Republican congressmen finally going to part ways with Trump?
2)Will they censure Trump?
3)When will they agree to impeach him? (Answer: they won't. Stop asking).
4)What are they tweeting about him? Oh? They're deeply troubled? That's great!
5)Are die-hard Trump supporters still supporting Trump? (Answer: yes. That's why they're called "Die-hard Trump supporters.").
6)How do die-hard Trump supporters feel about Trump's latest controversy? (Answer: they're totally fine with it. They're die-hard Trump supporters).

The media narrative is most certainly not "Democrats taking the lead in criticizing Trump!" or "Democrats have some amazing policies to look forward to!" or "Democrats: Boy! They sure are a beacon of where we need to be!"

Frankly, Republicans are punk rock stars right now.
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Its still so refreshing to see someone use common sense on threads like this.
 
beerftw said:
I thought it dipped to 33% by a previous biased poll, so was that poll lying or is the media so retarded that everything is the lowest even if the math fails kindergarten level?

So far his average is 37% bordering 38%, this is cherrypicking the lowest poll and ignoring all other polls that say different, and heck if you look at the polls ,on 538, yougov had botha lower and higher number. In a 3 day yougov poll trump was at 39%, wide variance for the same pollster conducted at the same time with a one day difference.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

educating yourself and doing research might better you than taking a random news link from people who failed basic math.
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Hell even Fox News had him at around 40% at one point, but you can still look at the graph and see that its been mobile.

Fox News Official Polls | Fox News

I don't get why people trust so much in all these polls, its not like their unbiased at the very least.
 
99percenter said:
The senate isn't balanced. Wyoming gets the same amount of senators as california.
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It was balanced enough for the Democrats to gain the majority during Bush's Presidency

As for Democrat losses, its not about the process or gerrymandering, its about the consequences of their agenda.

Voters simply rejected Obama's agenda and policies by voting out Democrats and it started back in 2010.
 
Fenton said:
Both parties redistrict, have for decades. Also the Senate isn't Gerrymandered, neither are Governor races or Presidential races. Nope, it wasn't redistricting, it was a overwhelming response by the electorate to Obama's policies and agenda. Liberalism when applied doesn't actually do what Liberals say it does.
It doesn't fix economic disparity, it creates it, it doesn't bring people together, it divides people and exploits these divisions for Political gain. Voters responded to everything from ObamaCare to the economy to his foreign policy initiatives and as consequence, the Democrats suffered huge losses
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So, you wouldn't have a problem if Democrats redrew the map in 2020?
 
Winston said:
So, you wouldn't have a problem if Democrats redrew the map in 2020?
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They' would have to win back the majority first, and unless they switch over to policy driven messaging and away from identity politics and Trump rage, thats never going to happen

If by some miracle they do win back the majority, I have no doubt they'll redistrict and no I really dont have a problem with it.

As a rule I dont obsess over things that are beyond my control.
The Democrats biggest challenge is that their agenda and policies dont actually do what they claim.

When theyre allowed to implement that agenda on a large scale, there will always be a inevitable push back by people adversley affected by those policies.

Thats how they lost both Houses, 14 Governors and even the WH
 
Fenton said:
They' would have to win back the majority first, and unless they switch over to policy driven messaging and away from identity politics and Trump rage, thats never going to happen

If by some miracle they do win back the majority, I have no doubt they'll redistrict and no I really dont have a problem with it.

As a rule I dont obsess over things that are beyond my control.
The Democrats biggest challenge is that their agenda and policies dont actually do what they claim.

When theyre allowed to implement that agenda on a large scale, there will always be a inevitable push back by people adversley affected by those policies.

Thats how they lost both Houses, 14 Governors and even the WH
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I disagree with parts of this post but agree that democrats have lost their way.

I would argue that democrats now are just republican lite. They are just cool with abortion and gay marriage. They are the GOP, minus religion.
 
Fenton said:
They' would have to win back the majority first
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Sure! Democrats can take back Congress and redraw district maps, but first they're going to have to take back the districts from Representatives who've redrawn the district maps! Waka waka!

Fenton said:
, and unless they switch over to policy driven messaging and away from identity politics and Trump rage, thats never going to happen

If by some miracle they do win back the majority, I have no doubt they'll redistrict and no I really dont have a problem with it.

As a rule I dont obsess over things that are beyond my control.
The Democrats biggest challenge is that their agenda and policies dont actually do what they claim.

When theyre allowed to implement that agenda on a large scale, there will always be a inevitable push back by people adversley affected by those policies.

Thats how they lost both Houses, 14 Governors and even the WH
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I wonder if Fenton is able to realize the inherent contradiction in those two bolded statements.
 
Cardinal said:
I'm aware of that, and that's great. But the media narrative has been locked on several themes:

1)Are Republican congressmen finally going to part ways with Trump?
2)Will they censure Trump?
3)When will they agree to impeach him? (Answer: they won't. Stop asking).
4)What are they tweeting about him? Oh? They're deeply troubled? That's great!
5)Are die-hard Trump supporters still supporting Trump? (Answer: yes. That's why they're called "Die-hard Trump supporters.").
6)How do die-hard Trump supporters feel about Trump's latest controversy? (Answer: they're totally fine with it. They're die-hard Trump supporters).

The media narrative is most certainly not "Democrats taking the lead in criticizing Trump!" or "Democrats have some amazing policies to look forward to!" or "Democrats: Boy! They sure are a beacon of where we need to be!"

Frankly, Republicans are punk rock stars right now.
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I do not believe that Reps will actively seek to take down Trump. That would hurt the party. But...

...I do see the Reps backing away from him and distancing themselves from him, and keeping only a sort of safe/loose affiliation. Plus, if he does do something blatantly illegal that cannot be ignored, I do believe they will pounce, in part because doing so will be viewed as protecting the party, and as Trump has burned so many bridges he will have very few people willing to stand by him and defend him.

Short answer, I don't see the Rep Party wanting to cast him off, but if it becomes he or them, will do so.
 
radcen said:
I do not believe that Reps will actively seek to take down Trump. That would hurt the party. But...

...I do see the Reps backing away from him and distancing themselves from him, and keeping only a sort of safe/loose affiliation. Plus, if he does do something blatantly illegal that cannot be ignored, I do believe they will pounce, in part because doing so will be viewed as protecting the party, and as Trump has burned so many bridges he will have very few people willing to stand by him and defend him.

Short answer, I don't see the Rep Party wanting to cast him off, but if it becomes he or them, will do so.
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No offense, but your response is exactly what I'm talking about. "What will Republicans do??" Well, how about, what will Democrats do? Yes, I know, they're not in power right now. But the exclusive focus on Republicans is creating the perception that it's only what Republicans do that matters, and I believe that is creating a toxic political atmosphere in which it is accepted that if only Republicans matter, then Democrats, by inference, do not.

But the reality is that Republicans don't matter. They've had countless opportunities to prove otherwise this year and have failed every time. So frankly...**** them.
 
Cardinal said:
No offense, but your response is exactly what I'm talking about. "What will Republicans do??" Well, how about, what will Democrats do? Yes, I know, they're not in power right now. But the exclusive focus on Republicans is creating the perception that it's only what Republicans do that matters, and I believe that is creating a toxic political atmosphere in which it is accepted that if only Republicans matter, then Democrats, by inference, do not.

But the reality is that Republicans don't matter. They've had countless opportunities to prove otherwise this year and have failed every time. So frankly...**** them.
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One does not need to include every single possible nuance and perspective and possibility in a conversation. That's an absurd expectation. It is quite reasonable to focus on a particular sub-aspect.

And in this case, what the Reps do isn't exclusive, but it IS more pertinent (in a relative sense) precisely because they are in power. That may change in the 2018 mid-terms and/or the 2020 general election, but right now it is primarily the Reps and the Rep Party.
 
Oborosen said:
Hell even Fox News had him at around 40% at one point, but you can still look at the graph and see that its been mobile.

Fox News Official Polls | Fox News

I don't get why people trust so much in all these polls, its not like their unbiased at the very least.
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It is not even trusting in polls, it is political pundits flat out lying and hoping none of the readers understand basic math. Literally donald trump has been lower than now, even using the lowest poll he is climbing not falling, add to that by this far in the presidency both gerald ford and bill clinton had lower popularity rating, oh and I remember how bill clinton came to be the most hated president ever and never won re election:roll:
 
beerftw said:
It is not even trusting in polls, it is political pundits flat out lying and hoping none of the readers understand basic math. Literally donald trump has been lower than now, even using the lowest poll he is climbing not falling, add to that by this far in the presidency both gerald ford and bill clinton had lower popularity rating, oh and I remember how bill clinton came to be the most hated president ever and never won re election:roll:
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Oh I know the math is ****, I am just getting tired of every news outlet acting like its his end when they can't even follow it themselves. Then for some reason they get all flustered when people don't trust them in the least.
 
Ikari said:
I'm surprised his approval rating is that high.
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I am too. 35% is way to high for Trump--:lol:

Here's a good article on this.
Remaining Trump supporters aren't doing themselves any favors - Alabama Political Reporter

This country has elected a CLOWN
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And he has brought a yuuuuge circus with him.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/james-...ndal-pales-in-comparison-with-russian-claims/
 
Winston said:
I disagree with parts of this post but agree that democrats have lost their way.

I would argue that democrats now are just republican lite. They are just cool with abortion and gay marriage. They are the GOP, minus religion.
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I agree. But what's sad is the right wing wacko's out there want the Democrats to be EXACTLY like the Republicans.

Basically, they want both political parties to cater to the their interests, and screw everyone else.
 
radcen said:
I do not believe that Reps will actively seek to take down Trump. That would hurt the party. But...

...I do see the Reps backing away from him and distancing themselves from him, and keeping only a sort of safe/loose affiliation. Plus, if he does do something blatantly illegal that cannot be ignored, I do believe they will pounce, in part because doing so will be viewed as protecting the party, and as Trump has burned so many bridges he will have very few people willing to stand by him and defend him.

Short answer, I don't see the Rep Party wanting to cast him off, but if it becomes he or them, will do so.
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How so? Republican voters will never EVER abandon the Republicans no matter what. What alternative do they have? They will never vote Democrat, so...
 
Puigb said:
How so? Republican voters will never EVER abandon the Republicans no matter what. What alternative do they have? They will never vote Democrat, so...
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Independents and swing-voters have become large enough that both parties have to appeal to them, as well, or else being in power becomes much more difficult.
 
radcen said:
Independents and swing-voters have become large enough that both parties have to appeal to them, as well, or else being in power becomes much more difficult.
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Eh, to a certain extent.

Obama lost independents to Romney 45%-50%, and still received 5 million more votes, and beat him pretty badly in the electoral college.
 
radcen said:
Independents and swing-voters have become large enough that both parties have to appeal to them, as well, or else being in power becomes much more difficult.
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Correct, but unfortunately both parties are more interested in appealing to their so-called bases than trying to woo independents over to their side. Trump did a fairly good job by campaigning in the rust belt and talking about jobs, that's why he won PA, MI, and WI. But all in all, Trump is no different than any other politician because he's pretty much sticking to a party line agenda despite his promises that his administration will be a different kind of GOP.
 
Puigb said:
Eh, to a certain extent.

Obama lost independents to Romney 45%-50%, and still received 5 million more votes, and beat him pretty badly in the electoral college.
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Only the Presidency has the EC. It's not a factor in other races. Parties depend more on Congressional control than on WH control... though the WH certainly does help, too.

Obama's numbers would suggest he had a big enough Dem base to make up for it. I did not say, nor did I imply, that independents and swing-voters were the be all and end all, they are merely often a major factor.
 
Former GOP said:
Correct, but unfortunately both parties are more interested in appealing to their so-called bases than trying to woo independents over to their side. Trump did a fairly good job by campaigning in the rust belt and talking about jobs, that's why he won PA, MI, and WI. But all in all, Trump is no different than any other politician because he's pretty much sticking to a party line agenda despite his promises that his administration will be a different kind of GOP.
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Yep. Trump spoke to people in the rust belt as if he actually cared and would help them. Hillary and the Dems didn't. Guess what... rust belt people vote, too. Shocking to the Dems, I know.
 
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