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Praxas said:
He condemned them far later than he should have though. His excuse was "He needed time to get the facts straight first". He had no problem not getting the facts straight when he talked about his inauguration size, Muslims, "fake news", Obama tapping his tower, etc. He needed time though to denounce Nazis and White Supremacists. THAT is the problem IMO.
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I'm sure you preferred the style of President Obama who had no problem in denouncing police in every interaction with blacks and then backtracking or having a Rose Garden tea to eat his words when the truth was determined.
 
Praxas said:
He condemned them far later than he should have though. His excuse was "He needed time to get the facts straight first". He had no problem not getting the facts straight when he talked about his inauguration size, Muslims, "fake news", Obama tapping his tower, etc. He needed time though to denounce Nazis and White Supremacists. THAT is the problem IMO.
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Sure, I would agree his timing was god awful and he shouldn't have added a bunch of qualifications like "but many sides...", but he did condemn them by name so I'm not really all that upset about it.
 
Praxas said:
He denounced them later I think specifically a couple of days after the event. The point is he said he "needed time to gather the facts".....bull****. You don't need time to denounce Nazis or White Supremacists.
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You don't need time to condemn Islamic terrorists either, yet through 8 years of the Obama Presidency, you never heard any such condemnation.
 
OlNate said:
Disrupting violence, yes. Creating it, no. That was the white supremacists, who's very existence is an act of violence. And most Leftists don't lump all of the right in with that lot. Only the ones that spend all their time on here defending them.
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Who else is on your list?

Who else can we attack with no provocation because of what they believe?
 
CanadaJohn said:
I'm sure you preferred the style of President Obama who had no problem in denouncing police in every interaction with blacks and then backtracking or having a Rose Garden tea to eat his words when the truth was determined.
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I do believe that was a beer summit.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
So, one person gets violent verses thousands who don't. What do you think that shows?
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it wasn't just 1 person it was a group of them. no what it shows is that these extremist groups are a plague on society and should be shut down
but people in this society. neither group has any high ground to stand on at this point.

they are all bottom of the barrel thugs that need to be dealt with.
 
Dragonfly said:
See. You are specifically doing exactly the thing that's totally F'd up.

Nazis and White Supremacists march and incite violence, and YOU'RE response is:
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antifa march and incite violence and your response is
but nazi's.

why can' you just admit that both groups are equally responsible for their behavior which is really deplorable?
antifa want to shut down free speech and then get violent and make threats and destroy businesses along the way,
and do this against people that refuse to kneel to their way of thinking.

nazi's are nazi's and have always had a screwed up way of thinking.

both sides are a plague on every day people that want to enjoy the freedoms that they are entitled to enjoy.
 
ludin said:
antifa march and incite violence and your response is
but nazi's.

why can' you just admit that both groups are equally responsible for their behavior which is really deplorable?
antifa want to shut down free speech and then get violent and make threats and destroy businesses along the way,
and do this against people that refuse to kneel to their way of thinking.

nazi's are nazi's and have always had a screwed up way of thinking.

both sides are a plague on every day people that want to enjoy the freedoms that they are entitled to enjoy.
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I have never refused to state that AntiFa (or anyone who commits violence against another) shouldn't be held accountable and tried in a court of law.

Doesn't change the fact that Nazi & White Supremacists are absolute trash who need to be called out specifically for exactly what they are.
Something Trump had seriously great difficulty doing. Why do you suppose that is?
 
CanadaJohn said:
You don't need time to condemn Islamic terrorists either, yet through 8 years of the Obama Presidency, you never heard any such condemnation.
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Obama did denounce them as terrorist attacks. Tell me what the difference is between a terrorist attack and a Islamic terrorist attack?
 
Dragonfly said:
I have never refused to state that AntiFa (or anyone who commits violence against another) shouldn't be held accountable and tried in a court of law.

Doesn't change the fact that Nazi & White Supremacists are absolute trash who need to be called out specifically for exactly what they are.
Something Trump had seriously great difficulty doing. Why do you suppose that is?
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he did call them out and at the same time he called out antifa for being the trash that they are an need to be called out as well.
 
ludin said:
he did call them out and at the same time he called out antifa for being the trash that they are an need to be called out as well.
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It took him days, and crap-tons of pressure from "many sides" to say anything at all against the Nazi/WS side.

Took powerful CEO's quitting one of his panels to get him to say anything.

There was absolutely no reason at all Trump could not have immediately, and with great determination, denounced a Nazi/WS protest in the USofA.

He refused to call them out specifically until he was pressured into it.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Can you list some examples of "left" politicians and news agencies that have said violent criminals and protesters they find politically favorable should get a free pass and not be held accountable to the law?

Just because they're not as outraged as you want them to be and don't lump everyone together into a single group doesn't mean they think people should get free passes on violent criminal offenses.



I'm sure in Fletch's world the leftist cops just gave them a high five and released them without charges.
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Obama invited BLM thugs to the White House.
 
Dragonfly said:
It took him days, and crap-tons of pressure from "many sides" to say anything at all against the Nazi/WS side.

Took powerful CEO's quitting one of his panels to get him to say anything.

There was absolutely no reason at all Trump could not have immediately, and with great determination, denounced a Nazi/WS protest in the USofA.

He refused to call them out specifically until he was pressured into it.
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He waited until all the facts were in. The horror!
 
Praxas said:
Obama did denounce them as terrorist attacks. Tell me what the difference is between a terrorist attack and a Islamic terrorist attack?
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Obama called the Fort Hood shooting "workplace violence".
 
apdst said:
He waited until all the facts were in. The horror!
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So Trump is too stupid to know any facts at all about Nazis and White Supremacists? Wow. I thought he knew more about everything than anybody. :roll:


Tell me something.
If, 6 weeks ago, you were asked about nazis in America, and White Supremacy groups, and the KKK....could you give a rather informed opinion of their worth to our country?
 
Dragonfly said:
I have never refused to state that AntiFa (or anyone who commits violence against another) shouldn't be held accountable and tried in a court of law.

Doesn't change the fact that Nazi & White Supremacists are absolute trash who need to be called out specifically for exactly what they are.
Something Trump had seriously great difficulty doing. Why do you suppose that is?
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BLM, antifa, nazis, klan...they're all garbage and all need to be called out for what they are. None of them represent American values.

I believe you're treading on dangerous ground if you judge one group harsher than the other.
 
Dragonfly said:
It took him days, and crap-tons of pressure from "many sides" to say anything at all against the Nazi/WS side.

Took powerful CEO's quitting one of his panels to get him to say anything.

There was absolutely no reason at all Trump could not have immediately, and with great determination, denounced a Nazi/WS protest in the USofA.

He refused to call them out specifically until he was pressured into it.
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read his friggen speech. it isn't hard to do.
my word. he went after both sides which is exactly what he should have done.
screw the CEO's. those hacks will do or say anything.

He did denounce them at the same time denouncing antifa did you not read what he said? evidently you didn't.
you should probably go read it again.

he did call them out and you are now lying.
but i don't expect people to be honest.
 
Dragonfly said:
So Trump is too stupid to know any facts at all about Nazis and White Supremacists? Wow. I thought he knew more about everything than anybody. :roll:


Tell me something.
If, 6 weeks ago, you were asked about nazis in America, and White Supremacy groups, and the KKK....could you give a rather informed opinion of their worth to our country?
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He was smart enough to wait anf find out that both sides acted violently and call both sides out for their actions.

Can you give a rather informed opinion of BLM's and antifa's worth to our country?
 
Praxas said:
Obama did denounce them as terrorist attacks. Tell me what the difference is between a terrorist attack and a Islamic terrorist attack?
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Wow, seriously? You don't know the difference? I'll give you a hint - the first is usually associated with acts designed to promote a political agenda through fear and intimidation - the second is associated with the hate filled perversion of a religion using skewed interpretations of teachings in order to promote a world dominance ruled by that perverted religion. President Obama refused to acknowledge that anyone terrorized in the name of Islam.
 
apdst said:
Obama invited BLM thugs to the White House.
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Let's see:

Nazis: "Everyone who is not white doesn't belong in America and should be killed or removed from the country"
BLM: "We don't think it's right that black people in America are dramatically more likely to be shot by the police, even when doing nothing wrong. We matter too."

Yeah, they're all the same kind of radical terrorists. :roll: Just because you hate BLM's message more than the nazis does not make them equivalent.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Let's see:

Nazis: "Everyone who is not white doesn't belong in America and should be killed or removed from the country"
BLM: "We don't think it's right that black people in America are dramatically more likely to be shot by the police, even when doing nothing wrong. We matter too."

Yeah, they're all the same kind of radical terrorists. :roll: Just because you hate BLM's message more than the nazis does not make them equivalent.
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They're absolutely the same.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.brei...ing-and-hanging-of-white-people-and-cops/amp/
 
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