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Thousands gather for peaceful candlelight vigil at UVA

Dragonfly said:
I never suggested that at all.

What's being suggested by many, is that the ONLY reason there was any violence in Charlottesville was due to the "leftist libooools".
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And what is being suggest by many, is that the ONLY reason there was any violence in Charlottesville was due to the "Republinazis" Your point?
 
CanadaJohn said:
Great line. Do you think the President and many on the right get the same benefit of the doubt when they are hounded by the media and leftists to genuflect and supplicate themselves for the misdeeds of others falsely viewed as their ideological soul mates?
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Why on Earth is it so difficult to denounce Nazism?
Why on Earth is it so difficult to denounce the "White Supremacy" movement???

Seriously. That's the damn problem.

Regardless of whether the 2017 white, American, males calling themselves Nazis are a far cry from the German Nazis of 1940's era, why is it so difficult to simply say that kind of ideology won't be accepted in the USofA?

Sure, you can also blame those on the opposing side for getting violent, but not specifically calling out the Nazi/White Supremacy group first and foremost is absolutely F'n disgraceful.
It also sends a very dangerous message. It's shocking how many fail to see that.
 
CanadaJohn said:
And what is being suggest by many, is that the ONLY reason there was any violence in Charlottesville was due to the "Republinazis" Your point?
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And what is being suggested by many others is that the "Republinazis" had nothing to do with the violence at all. BOTH points are incorrect.
 
Dragonfly said:
Why on Earth is it so difficult to denounce Nazism?
Why on Earth is it so difficult to denounce the "White Supremacy" movement???

Seriously. That's the damn problem.

Regardless of whether the 2017 white, American, males calling themselves Nazis are a far cry from the German Nazis of 1940's era, why is it so difficult to simply say that kind of ideology won't be accepted in the USofA?

Sure, you can also blame those on the opposing side for getting violent, but not specifically calling out the Nazi/White Supremacy group first and foremost is absolutely F'n disgraceful.
It also sends a very dangerous message. It's shocking how many fail to see that.
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I'd say it was also a very dangerous message, from your most recent former President, who was incapable of simply saying that the kind of violence and ideology of many in the black community he represented won't be accepted in the USofA. Led to increased civil disobedience, vandalism, and violence against property and people.

Perhaps it's about time that the politically correct crowd held those responsible as responsible and not require those not responsible to seek forgiveness and humble themselves for the sins of others.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I'd say it was also a very dangerous message, from your most recent former President, who was incapable of simply saying that the kind of violence and ideology of many in the black community he represented won't be accepted in the USofA. Led to increased civil disobedience, vandalism, and violence against property and people.

Perhaps it's about time that the politically correct crowd held those responsible as responsible and not require those not responsible to seek forgiveness and humble themselves for the sins of others.
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See. You are specifically doing exactly the thing that's totally F'd up.

Nazis and White Supremacists march and incite violence, and YOU'RE response is:


but but but...black people, Obama, BLM, liberals.....
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yankintx said:
If the news is from a right wing site, it must be real. Did the Don play editor on this piece?
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Oh please, I can make the same statement about any left wing site.

Though it would be nice if you could cite something showing the statement is false..... go ahead, I can wait.
 
Dragonfly said:
See. You are specifically doing exactly the thing that's totally F'd up.

Nazis and White Supremacists march and incite violence, and YOU'RE response is:
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And that is why antifacist groups are not allowed any more to disrupt our society without paying the penalty to society.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
So, one person gets violent verses thousands who don't. What do you think that shows?
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Not trying to paint the whole group with a broad brush, just showing some rather ****ting stuff is still happening.

Besides it was multiple people, not just one.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Can you list some examples of "left" politicians and news agencies that have said violent criminals and protesters they find politically favorable should get a free pass and not be held accountable to the law?

Just because they're not as outraged as you want them to be and don't lump everyone together into a single group doesn't mean they think people should get free passes on violent criminal offenses.
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HERE is the hypocrisy!

Let's turn that statement around and ask...why when people are not as "outraged as YOU want them to be" toward right wing extremists they are lumped together as a single group and don't get a pass?

From the President on down everyone has to prove their virtue by disavowing "right wing extremists" but then mention left wingers? They are somehow negating or watering down their condemnation of the white extremists. :roll:

What is missing from this gathering that wasn't missing from the White Supremacist march?

Oh yeah, a pack of counter protesters bent on disrupting and creating violence. :coffeepap:
 
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Dragonfly said:
See. You are specifically doing exactly the thing that's totally F'd up.

Nazis and White Supremacists march and incite violence, and YOU'RE response is:
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Sorry to disappoint you. Perhaps you can direct me to your DP thread where you called out President Obama in this regard or you called out the violent leftist who rocked and burned up large segments of American cities in the past few years so I can then post these comments there.

I appreciate that you can't stand the fact that both the fringes were to blame for what happened in VA this past week and both should be condemned if we're going to go on an apology rampage demanding that leaders call out everyone. President Trump did just that in his first response to this incident, rightly pointing out that there was despicable conduct on many sides but that wasn't good enough for the leftist victimhood pimps in the media and elsewhere who demand far more of right wing leaders than they do of left wing leaders. It's similar to the leftists who love Bill Clinton, the pervert in chief, as a lovable scamp but demand a piece of flesh from any similar failings on the part of right wing politicians claiming that righties must be held to a higher standard because they aspire to a higher standard.

The very fact you took a backhanded dig at right wing ideology in your OP says it all. For you, it has nothing to do with the incident and everything to do with scoring ideological/political points.
 
Captain Adverse said:
HERE is the hypocrisy!

Let's turn that statement around and ask...why when people are not as "outraged as YOU want them to be" toward right wing extremists they are lumped together as a single group and don't get a pass?

From the President on down everyone has to prove their virtue by disavowing "right wing extremists" but then mention left wingers? They are somehow negating or watering down their condemnation of the white extremists. :roll:
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No, it's literally just the president. If nazis are marching around saying they're empowered by the president, the president should condemn them, which as far as I'm concerned, he did.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
No, it's literally just the president. If nazis are marching around saying they're empowered by the president, the president should condemn them, which as far as I'm concerned, he did.
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I appreciate this response. It is fair.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Oh yeah, a pack of counter protesters bent on disrupting and creating violence. :coffeepap:
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Disrupting violence, yes. Creating it, no. That was the white supremacists, who's very existence is an act of violence. And most Leftists don't lump all of the right in with that lot. Only the ones that spend all their time on here defending them.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Sorry to disappoint you. Perhaps you can direct me to your DP thread where you called out President Obama in this regard or you called out the violent leftist who rocked and burned up large segments of American cities in the past few years so I can then post these comments there.

I appreciate that you can't stand the fact that both the fringes were to blame for what happened in VA this past week and both should be condemned if we're going to go on an apology rampage demanding that leaders call out everyone. President Trump did just that in his first response to this incident, rightly pointing out that there was despicable conduct on many sides but that wasn't good enough for the leftist victimhood pimps in the media and elsewhere who demand far more of right wing leaders than they do of left wing leaders. It's similar to the leftists who love Bill Clinton, the pervert in chief, as a lovable scamp but demand a piece of flesh from any similar failings on the part of right wing politicians claiming that righties must be held to a higher standard because they aspire to a higher standard.

The very fact you took a backhanded dig at right wing ideology in your OP says it all. For you, it has nothing to do with the incident and everything to do with scoring ideological/political points.
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Please quote where I've said the AntiFa counter-protesters (or any counter-protester) who got violent shouldn't be held accountable. I'll wait.

Also....again with the "but but but Obama, black people, liberals...." and still no outright condemnation for the Nazi/White Supremacists.


edit to add : the "dig" is at all the people who seem to claim it's only the liberals who get violent - and so far you're pretty much supporting that claim
 
OlNate said:
Disrupting violence, yes. Creating it, no. That was the white supremacists, who's very existence is an act of violence. And most Leftists don't lump all of the right in with that lot. Only the ones that spend all their time on here defending them.
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No. No. NO! :doh

No one's mere existence is an act of violence. One must actually ACT violently for something to be an "act of violence."

Your viewpoint can be used (and has been in the past) to justify violent "reactions" against groups merely because they dare to exist.

Free expression is the right to openly express one's ideas and ideals non-violently with an expectation of a peaceful response.

Free expression is best demonstrated when you allow even the worst messages to be openly held and expressed...because once you start limiting them your once "bright line" can eventually move past YOUR position and then you find YOUR message facing the same restrictions.

I want these people out in the open. I want to know such views are still held. Otherwise they simply remain present but hidden and festering while plotting evil in the dark.
 
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Fletch said:
I didn't miss the point at all.
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Of course you did, you always do. It has to do with being a Trump apologist no matter what.

the violent radicals of the left are showered with praise.
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That was actually urine, but you can call it anything you want.

When you cast your political foes as evil, Nazis and racists
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Yea, because only according to Trump and you some of those degenerates are good.
 
Dragonfly said:
Please quote where I've said the AntiFa counter-protesters (or any counter-protester) who got violent shouldn't be held accountable. I'll wait.

Also....again with the "but but but Obama, black people, liberals...." and still no outright condemnation for the Nazi/White Supremacists.


edit to add : the "dig" is at all the people who seem to claim it's only the liberals who get violent - and so far you're pretty much supporting that claim
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Nice try - any sane person reading your OP knows full well that your intent was and is to equate a peaceful vigil with left wing protests as if that's the only form of protest the left is ever involved in. The very fact you try to equate this vigil with the left says it all. You don't believe or credit the fact that many at this vigil are likely right wing individuals who are disgusted by what happened in their city. You see it only as leftists - otherwise your leftists violence crack would never have crossed your mind.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
The very fact you try to equate this vigil with the left says it all.
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This one gathering is one specific event, and yes, there's lots of "lefties" there.

After all:

The vigil organized by students and faculty grew from word of mouth, phone calls, emails and text messages as the university community tried to begin the healing process.
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Everyone knows the University system in this country is "being run by, over-run with, and wrecked by nothing but liberals".

I notice you failed to quote where I given a pass to anyone who acts out violently. So, you lose.
 
Captain Adverse said:
No. No. NO! :doh

No one's mere existence is an act of violence. One must actually ACT violently for something to be an "act of violence."

Your viewpoint can be used (and has been in the past) to justify violent "reactions" against groups merely because they dare to exist.

Free expression is the right to openly express one's ideas and ideals non-violently with an expectation of a peaceful response.

Free expression is best demonstrated when you allow even the worst messages to be openly held and expressed...because once you start limiting them your once "bright line" can eventually move past YOUR position and then you find YOUR message facing the same restrictions.

I want these people out in the open. I want to know such views are still held. Otherwise they simply remain present but hidden and festering while plotting evil in the dark.
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I would agree with you on literally any message, other than racial "supremacy" messaging. The whole purpose of it is to summarily dismiss, dehumanize, and strip the rights of people based solely on the race they were born into. That IS an act of violence, without even beginning to discuss the history of physical violence these dirt bags have as their legacy.

From Wikipedia, with a citation available if you want to track it down:

Violence is defined by the World Health Organization as "the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, which either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation", although the group acknowledges that the inclusion of "the use of power" in its definition expands on the conventional understanding of the word.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence

Based on the above (specifically the threat aspect, not the power, in case that going to be a point of contention), I firmly stand by my assertion that the existence of today's Nazi's is, on it's own, an act of violence, and the only reason I would want them out in the open is that it makes it easier to figure out where to throw the brick. :coffeepap
 
RabidAlpaca said:
No, it's literally just the president. If nazis are marching around saying they're empowered by the president, the president should condemn them, which as far as I'm concerned, he did.
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He condemned them far later than he should have though. His excuse was "He needed time to get the facts straight first". He had no problem not getting the facts straight when he talked about his inauguration size, Muslims, "fake news", Obama tapping his tower, etc. He needed time though to denounce Nazis and White Supremacists. THAT is the problem IMO.
 
Praxas said:
He needed time though to denounce Nazis and White Supremacists.
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Did he specifically call those groups out? By name?

Or did he very generally just say "many sides" were at fault?
 
Dragonfly said:
Did he specifically call those groups out? By name?

Or did he very generally just say "many sides" were at fault?
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He denounced them later I think specifically a couple of days after the event. The point is he said he "needed time to gather the facts".....bull****. You don't need time to denounce Nazis or White Supremacists.
 
Dragonfly said:
This one gathering is one specific event, and yes, there's lots of "lefties" there.

After all:



Everyone knows the University system in this country is "being run by, over-run with, and wrecked by nothing but liberals".

I notice you failed to quote where I given a pass to anyone who acts out violently. So, you lose.
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Can't help yourself, can you? Have to toss in another dig at the right when none is necessary and none is relevant to the failed argument in your OP. And no, I didn't respond to your challenge since I never accused you of such so had no reason to defend myself against your false narrative. And if falsely claiming a victory in such a case makes you feel superior, knock yourself out.
 
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