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Pastor Wants Presidents’ Names Removed From Washington, Jackson Parks Over Ties To Sl

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j-mac said:
So, here we go....Snowflake culture meets current push to erase history....Where will this stop? Should we tear up the Constitution because you know, it was thought up and written by slave owners? Good grief.
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No, we should drive cars into crowds of counter protesters.

You got Trump. Isn't this the climate you wanted in this country. Tired of all the winning and making America great again?
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Yes... the Bill of Rights and Revolutionary War were "tall tales"...
these purveyors of genocide. :lol:
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The bill of rights was bull**** needed to garner support. The RW was a terrorist action.

Yes, they were purveyors of genocide, these "all men are created equal" lying bullshi**ers.

Nice Day for a Genocide: Shocking Quotes on Indians By US Leaders, Pt 1
From Ben Franklin to Thomas Jefferson, the view on American Indians was not a kind one
ICMN Staff • July 9, 2017
These quotes about Indians from American leaders span from the 1750s to 1817.

Be sure to read Nice Day for a Genocide Pt 2 as well.

Benjamin Franklin, from his autobiography, 1750s

“If it be the design of Providence to extirpate these Savages in order to make room for cultivators of the Earth, it seems not improbable that rum may be the appointed means.”

Orders of George Washington to General John Sullivan, May 31, 1779

“The immediate objectives are the total destruction and devastation of their settlements and the capture of as many prisoners of every age and sex as possible. It will be essential to ruin their crops in the ground and prevent their planting more.”

https://indiancountrymedianetwork.c...hocking-quotes-on-indians-by-us-leaders-pt-1/
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camlok said:
The bill of rights was bull**** needed to garner support. The RW was a terrorist action.

Yes, they were purveyors of genocide, these "all men are created equal" lying bullshi**ers.
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:lol: Ok buddy... you think that.
 
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exoplanet said:
Well, if you are a person that lives in Chicago and this park is in your neighborhood, you'd probably know, and it might make a difference to you.
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This is hilarious: "My name is "George" Washington (or "Andrew" Jackson or "James" Madison or "Thomas" Jefferson), and I find the name of this park to be highly offensive." :lol:

exoplanet said:
But they didn't make a free country; they helped to create a country that enslaved black people.
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Would people in this country today, including black people (not the dead ones), enjoy the freedoms they do if these men had not existed and created the system of government that they did? I'll go out on a limb and say I think not. And just look at the wonderful lives hundreds of millions of blacks enjoy in their home continent: wars, tribalism, starvation, disease, genocide. If American blacks feel that they're missing something or that this country is so oppressive, no one is preventing them from rediscovering their roots and connecting with long-lost relatives on a permanent basis.

exoplanet said:
If the US was still in state that those men left it, it wouldn't be a free country for black people today,
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Considering that slavery is universally condemned and illegal on this planet in this day and age, that's a big if. So... if pigs could fly....
 
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Bodhisattva said:
What are you talking about?
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A local pastor wants to take names off a plaque in a park because locals don't feel they are appropriate. Local issue - not a sign of the impending apocalypse. Gotta say the right wingers here really get their panties in a twist pretty easily
 
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Angelus said:
A local pastor wants to take names off a plaque in a park because locals don't feel they are appropriate. Local issue - not a sign of the impending apocalypse. Gotta say the right wingers here really get their panties in a twist pretty easily
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In a country of 350 million people they found somebody who wants to do something they don't like. That is proof that everything they said about the slippery slope of removing Confederate monuments is correct!
 
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Ahlevah said:
Considering that slavery is universally condemned and illegal on this planet in this day and age, that's a big if. So... if pigs could fly....
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Are you really that innocent? Slavery is a multi-billion dollar industry in America alone. We just call it trafficking
 
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CriticalThought said:
In a country of 350 million people they found somebody who wants to do something they don't like. That is proof that everything they said about the slippery slope of removing Confederate monuments is correct!
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Shock - horror - gasp - right wings special snowflakes are outraged, I tell you! Outraged! Path to doom - news on the apocalypse at 7PM

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Angelus said:
Are you really that innocent? Slavery is a multi-billion dollar industry in America alone. We just call it trafficking
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And did you read what I wrote? Human trafficking is condemned and illegal.
 
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camlok said:
How is the US different than any African nation.
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Seriously? When was the last time you saw a donkey cart on an Interstate highway? And currently I count no fewer than 15 armed conflicts in Africa, including those in Egypt, Sudan, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, Somalia, Uganda, Mali, Mauritania, Niger, Nigeria, Western Sahara, Democratic Republic of Congo and Chad. So how is the U.S. different from any African nation? Try thinking a little harder.
 
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camlok said:
The bill of rights was bull**** needed to garner support. The RW was a terrorist action.
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And? I'm waiting for the punchline, something like "The Founding Fathers then went on to create the greatest nation in the history of civilization," or something like that.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Washington owned slaves because that is what the world did at the time... the positive he did for mankind should easily dwarf the fact that he had slaves.
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The "world" huh? I doubt the majority of people in the US owned slaves (a substantial portion of the population were slaves themselves). He owned slaves because he was a wealthy man who inherited and bought slaves of his own free will.

He was a talented and capable leader, but that could hardly be consider a benefit for "mankind".
 
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Ahlevah said:
This is hilarious: "My name is "George" Washington (or "Andrew" Jackson or "James" Madison or "Thomas" Jefferson), and I find the name of this park to be highly offensive."
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I'm not sure why you can't understand that it isn't the name, it's the act of honoring a particular person.

Ahlevah said:
Would people in this country today, including black people (not the dead ones), enjoy the freedoms they do if these men had not existed and created the system of government that they did? I'll go out on a limb and say I think not.
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Who knows? It's quite likely he helped delay the freedoms of blacks in the US by decades. Slavery was abolished in the British Commonwealth well before the Civil war. Abraham Lincoln was the one who dragged the US, kicking and screaming into the moral norms of the time. Perhaps you'd also like to credit Washington with beating the Nazis, the New Deal, landing on the moon and everything else he had nothing to do with?

Ahlevah said:
And just look at the wonderful lives hundreds of millions of blacks enjoy in their home continent: wars, tribalism, starvation, disease, genocide. If American blacks feel that they're missing something or that this country is so oppressive, no one is preventing them from rediscovering their roots and connecting with long-lost relatives on a permanent basis.
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It seems odd you want to credit Washington for our lives today and yet seem to ignore centuries of colonial abuse, slavery, exploitation and tyranny in Africa that helped shape into what it is now.

Ahlevah said:
Considering that slavery is universally condemned and illegal on this planet in this day and age, that's a big if. So... if pigs could fly....
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I didn't propose the hypothetical as a likelihood, it's to show how un-free the US actually was.
 
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exoplanet said:
I'm not sure why you can't understand that it isn't the name, it's the act of honoring a particular person.
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Yeah, I get that, but then there's the practicality of it. If, for example, people wanted to name a park "Hitler Park" they would have a problem, even if they screamed until they were blue in the face, "Yeah, but we're not honoring THAT Hitler!" :doh

exoplanet said:
It seems odd you want to credit Washington for our lives today and yet seem to ignore centuries of colonial abuse, slavery, exploitation and tyranny in Africa that helped shape into what it is now.
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I not only want to give Washington and Jefferson and the twenty-five other slave-holding Founders credit for founding the country and giving us a constitution that's stood the test of time, I do.

exoplanet said:
I didn't propose the hypothetical as a likelihood, it's to show how un-free the US actually was.
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The operative word being "was." Okay, you did it. I agree with you. :2wave: Where I likely part company with you is on the idea that the U.S. isn't exceptional. It is, and that's thanks largely to these men and the institutions they created.
 
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exoplanet said:
It seems odd you want to credit Washington for our lives today and yet seem to ignore centuries of colonial abuse, slavery, exploitation and tyranny in Africa that helped shape into what it is now.
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One more thing. I'm not ignoring it. I just prefer not to wallow in it and engage in crying sessions. The U.S. was a late-comer to the imperialist game. By the time it had the means to take Boardwalk, it was already taken. And yet it's blamed for virtually every ill on the planet. When can we begin to examine the idea that it's about time nations begin to accept that maybe their tribal or religious factionalism, lack of respect for private property and the rule of law, and corruption define the larger problem and are among the reasons they still use donkey carts to transport goods and why so many former presidents and dictators have villas in Switzerland or France?
 
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I am really glad it came to this. I honestly am.
 
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Why is it still relevant today. No one is glorifying slavery. It's been 150+ years. Why can't some people move on. No one here has experienced slavery, and no one will.
 
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j-mac said:
So, here we go....Snowflake culture meets current push to erase history....Where will this stop? Should we tear up the Constitution because you know, it was thought up and written by slave owners? Good grief.
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The statues represent a rebellion in order to keep slavery as the engine of the southern states economy. The South became the Confederate States of America and took up arms against the United States of America. Washington and Jefferson wanted to disallow slavery in the Constitution. Convoluting taking down Confederate statue with taking down statues of any former slave owner is illogical.
 
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Ahlevah said:
Yeah, I get that, but then there's the practicality of it. If, for example, people wanted to name a park "Hitler Park" they would have a problem, even if they screamed until they were blue in the face, "Yeah, but we're not honoring THAT Hitler!"
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Seems awfully made up for a supposedly practical worry.

Ahlevah said:
I not only want to give Washington and Jefferson and the twenty-five other slave-holding Founders credit for founding the country and giving us a constitution that's stood the test of time, I do.
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The constitution didn't stand the test of time, the United States and it's citizens did. The country very nearly fell apart in the Civil War due to the problems they left unsolved. It got some things right, but it got quite a bit wrong as well. It's been patched up in the most critical places, but honestly it's showing its age at this point. Democracy has come a long way in the past few centuries.
 
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Angelus said:
And here I was thinking we left these kind of decisions to the people who live there.

I guess that's the other Republican party.
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By all means the people of these communities should decide....But, with protester's being bused in, and special interest groups like 'the World Workers party' behind the organization of these events staged for public consumption by the media to forward an agenda of tearing America away from its founding formula, is NOT letting the people of the community decide....If you want that, hold a referendum, and abide by the peoples will....
 
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CriticalThought said:
No, we should drive cars into crowds of counter protesters.

You got Trump. Isn't this the climate you wanted in this country. Tired of all the winning and making America great again?
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So, are you one of those that thinks that somehow the President is responsible for some young ****head's horrific act? That's just ridiculous, and so inflammatory as to not be productive to the conversation at all.
 
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Angelus said:
A local pastor wants to take names off a plaque in a park because locals don't feel they are appropriate. Local issue - not a sign of the impending apocalypse. Gotta say the right wingers here really get their panties in a twist pretty easily
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Really? When was that vote held? Media coverage should never be an excuse for tyranny of a minority.
 
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CriticalThought said:
In a country of 350 million people they found somebody who wants to do something they don't like. That is proof that everything they said about the slippery slope of removing Confederate monuments is correct!
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I keep thinking what if we were talking about removing the bust of Margret Sanger as it sits adjacent to MLK in the museum, or if we were to argue that we should remove the statue of Robert Byrd from the WV state house, and rename all the buildings and highways in that state because he was a Klan member.....
 
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bluesmoke said:
The statues represent a rebellion in order to keep slavery as the engine of the southern states economy. The South became the Confederate States of America and took up arms against the United States of America. Washington and Jefferson wanted to disallow slavery in the Constitution. Convoluting taking down Confederate statue with taking down statues of any former slave owner is illogical.
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Really? Less than 48 hours from when the President mused in a press conference 'who's next? Washington, Jefferson?' That was reality....Hell, there is at least one that I know of aside from the racist pastor in Chicago, talking about removing the Washington, and Jefferson memorials in DC itself....As well as Lincoln's memorial being defaced....Illogical indeed.
 
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exoplanet said:
The constitution didn't stand the test of time, the United States and it's citizens did. The country very nearly fell apart in the Civil War due to the problems they left unsolved. It got some things right, but it got quite a bit wrong as well. It's been patched up in the most critical places, but honestly it's showing its age at this point. Democracy has come a long way in the past few centuries.
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There you have it folks....the epitome of the "Trash the Constitution" movement in favor of what may I ask? The communist manifesto I suspect?
 
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