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Confederate monuments taken down in Baltimore overnight

Khayembii Communique said:
Why do you think that removing statues built in the 20th century commemorating people who rebelled against the United States has anything to do with the Vietnam Memorial? There is literally no slippery slope here; it's pretty cut and dry.
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It shows that the USA is strong enough to honor those fellow Americans who fought against it.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Why do you presume I said that?

And of course there is a slippery slope here. A very real one. Not long ago the target was symbols commemorating the influence of religion in our nation's history.

Once the haters and historical revisionists get done with attacking confederate historical markers and monuments, do you honestly believe they won't choose another target and zero in on it?

I am pretty sure such people will never be satisfied allowing the USA to be what it once was, noting the changes over the decades, and what it is now. Haters are rarely ever satisfied.
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Fascinating. How, exactly, is it 'revising' history by removing monuments to traitors from public property?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
You<----------------->the point.

No one is arguing for Washington and jeffersons statues to be removed
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No, I understand the point. I also understand that the confederate monuments aren't the last that will be taken down.
 
KevinKohler said:
So all of these monuments are headed to museums, are they?
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I've said this before and often, but there is no reason to believe museums aren't next. It's already happening.
 
Moon said:
No, I understand the point. I also understand that the confederate monuments aren't the last that will be taken down.
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Would you complain if the same group was calling for the removal of a statue of John Wilkes Booth?
 
Elvira said:
How may I ask? Facts are facts...
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Yes. Facts are facts. One destroys historical markers such as statues as they object to the factual history. The Civil War happened.
Why did ISIS blow up churches and other historical markers of the lands they conquer?
Same reason.
Control the past, you control the present and thus control the future.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Yes. Facts are facts. One destroys historical markers such as statues as they object to the factual history. The Civil War happened.
Why did ISIS blow up churches and other historical markers of the lands they conquer?
Same reason.
Control the past, you control the present and thus control the future.
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ISIS destroyed historical artifacts. These statues aren't historical artifacts. There is zero equivalence.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Yes. Facts are facts. One destroys historical markers such as statues as they object to the factual history. The Civil War happened.
Why did ISIS blow up churches and other historical markers of the lands they conquer?
Same reason.
Control the past, you control the present and thus control the future.
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So you are comparing the taking down and destroying of monuments to ISIS...can't argue with that point at all...
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Newp. It's all still there in history books.
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And the internet.
And museums.
And non government memorials.
In fact, historical information literally grows, not diminishes, as a matter of both our information proliferation (digital age), as well as all of the ongoing historical work that continues to add bits and pieces to the historical puzzle.

It's one of the things that actually makes America Great, pre-Trump, and after.
 
KevinKohler said:
It's funny, we Americans, so rabid in our zeal to erase visual reminders of our history....

Haven't seen the French invade the Louvre, yet, set on burning and destroying all the visuals of former tyrants and despots, but hey.
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They have nothing to do with Civil war history and everything to do with racism and subjugation of the black race for 100 years after the war. Putting them in a museum dedicated to that stain on nation is where they belong.
 
KevinKohler said:
What we should have been doing from the get go. I don't agree with it, and I hope the work finds its way into museums, but if it must happen, this is how it should.
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TheGoverness said:
Hopefully those statues are being relocated to museums.
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Why? ... Half of these monuments and statues are cheap shoddy jobs, that were erected solely as a reactionary move against the Civil Rights movement during the Jim Crow era. Why would a museum want something cheap like that? Like the one pulled down in Durham. Bronze don't crumple like that.
 
KevinKohler said:
So all of these monuments are headed to museums, are they?
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I do not know and I was not answering that question. I pointed out your false equivalency when you introduced the Louvre into the discussion.
 
KevinKohler said:
Ever been to Italy, bro?
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Yea, several times and I am not your bro nor do I speak for Italians. They are free to do as THEY want. Any other false equivalencies?

I mean, there's so much wrong with your post I can't even figure where to start...
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Then by all means offer some form of rebuttal not false equivalencies.
 
brothern said:
Why? ... Half of these monuments and statues are cheap shoddy jobs, that were erected solely as a reactionary move against the Civil Rights movement during the Jim Crow era. Why would a museum want something cheap like that? Like the one pulled down in Durham. Bronze don't crumple like that.
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They have historical value.
 
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