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Alleged driver of car that plowed into Charlottesville crowd was a Nazi sympathizer, former teacher says


By T. Rees Shapiro, Ellie Silverman, Laura Vozzella and John Woodrow Cox August 13, 2017

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James Alex Fields Jr

CHARLOTTESVILLE — A man accused of plowing a car into a crowd of protesters here — killing one person and leaving 19 injured — long sympathized with Nazi views and had stood with a group of white supremacists hours before Saturday’s bloody crash. The alleged driver, James Alex Fields Jr., a 20-year-old who traveled to Virginia from Ohio, had espoused extremist ideals at least since high school, according to Derek Weimer, a history teacher. Weimer said that he taught Fields during his junior and senior years at Randall K. Cooper High School in Kentucky. In a class called “America’s Modern Wars,” Weimer recalled that Fields wrote a deeply researched paper about the Nazi military during World War II. Richard B. Spencer, a leader in the white supremacist movement who coined the term “alt-right,” said he didn’t know Fields but had been told he was a member of Vanguard America, which bills itself as the “Face of American Fascism.” In a statement tweeted Saturday night, the group denied any connection to Fields.

In several photographs that circulated online, he was seen with the group while sporting its unofficial uniform. Like members, he wore a white polo, baggy khakis and sunglasses, while holding a black shield that features a common Vanguard symbol.“It was obvious that he had this fascination with Nazism and a big idolatry of Adolf Hitler,” Weimer said. “He had white supremacist views. He really believed in that stuff.” Richard B. Spencer, a leader in the white supremacist movement who coined the term “alt-right,” said he didn’t know Fields but had been told he was a member of Vanguard America, which bills itself as the “Face of American Fascism.” In a statement tweeted Saturday night, the group denied any connection to Fields. Police identified the woman killed by the car as Heather D. Heyer, 32, a Charlottesville resident. As of Saturday evening, the crash had left five people in critical condition and another 14 injured, according to a spokeswoman at the University of Virginia Medical Center, where all of the wounded were being treated. City officials said an additional 14 had been hurt in street brawls.

My deepest condolences to the family of Heather D. Heyer and prayers to all who were injured by Fields, an apparent fascist terrorist.
 
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Alleged driver of car that plowed into Charlottesville crowd was a Nazi sympathizer, former teacher says




My deepest condolences to the family of Heather D. Heyer and prayers to all who were injured by Fields, an apparent fascist terrorist.

Having sympathy for crime victims got you a "like". The idea that the political ideals of a criminal make their criminal acts into terrorism is off the mark. This moron, coward and criminal will no doubt try to excuse his latest criminal action as self defense - alleging that the evil antifa folks were threatening him and that he had to escape.
 
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Now lets all be good little defenders of our liberties and defend this guys right to be a nazi and hand out hard shields to be used as weapons against others at a hate rally. :doh:roll:
 
Re: Alleged driver of car that plowed into Charlottesville crowd was a Nazi sympathiz

Having sympathy for crime victims got you a "like". The idea that the political ideals of a criminal make their criminal acts into terrorism is off the mark. This moron, coward and criminal will no doubt try to excuse his latest criminal action as self defense - alleging that the evil antifa folks were threatening him and that he had to escape.

Fox News | Vehicles as weapons: Charlottesville crash is part of a deadly trend
 
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Alleged driver of car that plowed into Charlottesville crowd was a Nazi sympathizer, former teacher says




My deepest condolences to the family of Heather D. Heyer and prayers to all who were injured by Fields, an apparent fascist terrorist.

I'm confused. I haven't watched the news today, but yesterday wasn't the press reporting that he was afraid and did it accidentally? And didn't the media report that cops thought that as well?

Damned fine reporting.
 
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Yesterday in some non-MSM sources they were saying he served in the Army for less than 4 months in 2015. Any more on that? If true I would be interested to know why he was discharged so early.
 
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I'm confused. I haven't watched the news today, but yesterday wasn't the press reporting that he was afraid and did it accidentally? And didn't the media report that cops thought that as well?

Damned fine reporting.

In the first hours after a tragedy we really shouldn't trust any of the information coming out.
 
Re: Alleged driver of car that plowed into Charlottesville crowd was a Nazi sympathiz

Now lets all be good little defenders of our liberties and defend this guys right to be a nazi and hand out hard shields to be used as weapons against others at a hate rally. :doh:roll:


Well, he does have the right to be a Nazi. It is the right to murder or hurt people that he doesn't have. Do you not agree with that?
 
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I wonder how much social media affects people with too much time on their hands.

The ones that lock themselves to the computer with limited real life socializing.

You can find some pretty dark web sites out there filled with hate.
 
Re: Alleged driver of car that plowed into Charlottesville crowd was a Nazi sympathiz

Yesterday in some non-MSM sources they were saying he served in the Army for less than 4 months in 2015. Any more on that? If true I would be interested to know why he was discharged so early.

I linked to Mediaite last night, but here is the NY Times today:

Military records show that Mr. Fields entered the Army on Aug. 18, 2015, around the time his mother wrote on Facebook that he had left for boot camp. Less than four months later, on Dec. 11, his period of active duty concluded. It was not immediately clear why he left the military. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/james-alex-fields-charlottesville-driver-.html
 
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Alleged driver of car that plowed into Charlottesville crowd was a Nazi sympathizer, former teacher says




My deepest condolences to the family of Heather D. Heyer and prayers to all who were injured by Fields, an apparent fascist terrorist.

I posted earlier on another thread that the teacher also made reference to Fields's history with anti-psychotic meds.
James Fields Jr.: Charlottesville car attack suspect was 'very infatuated' with Nazis, teacher says - WCPO Cincinnati, OH
 
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I linked to Mediaite last night, but here is the NY Times today:

Military records show that Mr. Fields entered the Army on Aug. 18, 2015, around the time his mother wrote on Facebook that he had left for boot camp. Less than four months later, on Dec. 11, his period of active duty concluded. It was not immediately clear why he left the military. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/james-alex-fields-charlottesville-driver-.html

Yeah, that was what I read, but at least you got it from a better source. I can think of a couple scenarios. First, he didn't make it through boo0tcamp. He tried, failed, they "recycled" him and he failed again and was disharged for failing to meet the standard. That can actually be an Honorable Discharge. If he was dishonorably discharged it would be on his criminal record and the media would be all over it. So it probably wasn't that.

If you are a Reservist or National Guardsman then your time in Basic Training is designated "Active Duty". But it seems if he were currently a Reservist or National Guardsman that information would have come out.
 
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I wonder how much social media affects people with too much time on their hands.

The ones that lock themselves to the computer with limited real life socializing.

You can find some pretty dark web sites out there filled with hate.

It's a mixture of funny, scary, sad, perplexing and crazy all at the same time.
 
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Criminal? Sure.
Terrorist? How so?
How is it not? Perhaps you think it is extreme coincidence that the crowd of people he intentionally rammed through had opposing political viewpoints to his own? I'm not even sure what needs to be explained here.
 
Re: Alleged driver of car that plowed into Charlottesville crowd was a Nazi sympathiz

Having sympathy for crime victims got you a "like". The idea that the political ideals of a criminal make their criminal acts into terrorism is off the mark. This moron, coward and criminal will no doubt try to excuse his latest criminal action as self defense - alleging that the evil antifa folks were threatening him and that he had to escape.
He plowed into a frikkin political protest! What would it take for you to believe it was terrorism? Does he need to where a turban and scream "Allahu Akbar"?
 
Re: Alleged driver of car that plowed into Charlottesville crowd was a Nazi sympathiz

Yeah, that was what I read, but at least you got it from a better source. I can think of a couple scenarios. First, he didn't make it through boo0tcamp. He tried, failed, they "recycled" him and he failed again and was disharged for failing to meet the standard. That can actually be an Honorable Discharge. If he was dishonorably discharged it would be on his criminal record and the media would be all over it. So it probably wasn't that.

If you are a Reservist or National Guardsman then your time in Basic Training is designated "Active Duty". But it seems if he were currently a Reservist or National Guardsman that information would have come out.

It might have been a medical discharge.
 
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He plowed into a frikkin political protest! What would it take for you to believe it was terrorism? Does he need to where a turban and scream "Allahu Akbar"?

Maybe he was texting?
 
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Criminal? Sure.
Terrorist? How so?

If he was a Muslim, would you still be asking that question?
 
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OK, cars like other things can be used by terrorists but it is the motive that makes a criminal act terrorism not the means.

Authorities have not said whether Saturday’s attack in Virginia was an act of terrorism, but the suspect faces charges including second-degree murder.

I stand by my assertion that your "terrorist" will not assert such a motive for his crime.
 
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It might have been a medical discharge.

Very possible.
 
Re: Alleged driver of car that plowed into Charlottesville crowd was a Nazi sympathiz

He plowed into a frikkin political protest! What would it take for you to believe it was terrorism? Does he need to where a turban and scream "Allahu Akbar"?

Motive is the key for terrorism or a 'hate crime'. Does your alleged "terrorist" proudly claim that was his intent?
 
Re: Alleged driver of car that plowed into Charlottesville crowd was a Nazi sympathiz

OK, cars like other things can be used by terrorists but it is the motive that makes a criminal act terrorism not the means.

I stand by my assertion that your "terrorist" will not assert such a motive for his crime.

You may be right. But I've learned to never put much stock into 'coincidence'.
 
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If he was a Muslim, would you still be asking that question?

Yes. But at least then it would correspond to a MO of a number of related organizations. Possibly it is the case here too, but nobody has shown such MO to my knowledge.
 
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