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Alleged driver of car that plowed into Charlottesville crowd was a Nazi sympathizer,

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Just out of curiosity, how tightly do you want the word "terrorist" defined.

For example, is it terrorism to kill enemy soldiers with an IED? We call them that.

IMO lots of things described as "terrorism" simply aren't. I don't think he hoped to effect political change, but I would consider it an act of "war", because he was killing strangers who he disagreed with.

It was about their beliefs, and the threat and anger he felt towards them because of those beliefs.

Maybe this is the first "shot" in a civil war.

Might be good for us, in the long run.

He probably wasn't trying to effect political change, but he might have been trying to intimidate people he considered to be enemies of his cause. That would make it terrorism. I agree with those who say that we have to wait and see what his motive is.
 
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Does Fields represent Christianity as a whole?

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Re: Alleged driver of car that plowed into Charlottesville crowd was a Nazi sympathiz

Criminal? Sure.
Terrorist? How so?

A Nazi running over leftist protesters is a political as well as a criminal act. The use of violence for political ends. Terrorism
 
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Ah. Now I see what you are driving at (no pun intended). Let's see if I can explain where I see an MO.

In this attack, the guy driving into the crowd copied what we've seen Muslims do with trucks and vans. So, much like how Tim McVeigh copied the same idea seen in the first WTC bombing: wheel a truck full of fertilizer and fuel oil up to a target, walk away, and ignite it from a distance; the punk yesterday simply grabbed the best weapon available and followed a plan seen on TV or on the Web over the past year or so.

So, call it copy cat terrorism or just terror by using whatever is available, it's still an act of terrorism. In fact, I bet this wasn't even premeditated terror, at least not planned out for more than a few minutes--probably something this punk cooked up the minute his little Hate Rally was shut down. After all, who plans out a scheme requiring someone to smash up their own $25K car? But that doesn't really matter.

I'm going to disagree on the terrorism part.

The definition of terrorism has expanded to include a lot of other violent activities.

Bombing occupying soldiers for instance is commonly called terrorism.

It is not. It is asymmetrical warfare.

The original definition of terrorism is acts that are done specifically to frighten a population into pressuring its government to change its policies due to that fear.

I don't see how he thought his actions were going to do anything but the opposite of what he would like to see. We're not going to expel all the minorities to make people like him stop driving cars into crowds.

The 911 terrorists DID get us to change our ways in response. Which is a win for them, by the way.

So politically inspired murder. Perhaps an act of war by an unlawful combatant.

But not terrorism by any reasonable definition.
 
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I'm going to disagree on the terrorism part.

The definition of terrorism has expanded to include a lot of other violent activities.

Bombing occupying soldiers for instance is commonly called terrorism.

It is not. It is asymmetrical warfare.

The original definition of terrorism is acts that are done specifically to frighten a population into pressuring its government to change its policies due to that fear.

I don't see how he thought his actions were going to do anything but the opposite of what he would like to see. We're not going to expel all the minorities to make people like him stop driving cars into crowds.

The 911 terrorists DID get us to change our ways in response. Which is a win for them, by the way.

So politically inspired murder. Perhaps an act of war by an unlawful combatant.

But not terrorism by any reasonable definition.

So it's terrorism when a Muslim does it in London or Paris, but not when a white Nazi does it in Charlottevile. OK.
 
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Yes. Let's be left wing haters of others freedoms by blaming them for everything some nut case that is not a democrat does.

Do we blame all black peoples for the mayhem in Chicago?

You are so totally phony.

Yep, plenty of you do exactly that.
 
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I wonder why trump won't use the phrase "Christian Terrorism?"
Its like JUMBO shrimp or military intlligence, the words are mutually exclusive. I beleive the term is oxymoron

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Re: Alleged driver of car that plowed into Charlottesville crowd was a Nazi sympathiz

Criminal? Sure.
Terrorist? How so?

Uh... targeting innocent civilians for his political fascist agenda?
 
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But not terrorism by any reasonable definition.

uh, yeah... terrorism by a VERY REASONABLE definition...
 
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Motive is the key for terrorism or a 'hate crime'. Does your alleged "terrorist" proudly claim that was his intent?

He does not have to. Robbers do not have to tell us that they did it for the money in order for us to know that they did it for the money
 
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Was it coincidence that this was the only murder associated with these "terrorists" at that event? ;)

no, that credit goes to good luck
 
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He does not have to. Robbers do not have to tell us that they did it for the money in order for us to know that they did it for the money

OK, but do all killers that ran over folks become terrorists?
 
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So it's terrorism when a Muslim does it in London or Paris, but not when a white Nazi does it in Charlottevile. OK.
How does this remotely compare to what happened in Nice?
 
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OK, but do all killers that ran over folks become terrorists?

Off the top of my head, I cannot say how many of the Nazis who deliberately ran into a crowd of anti-Nazis did it for political reasons.

Actually, I can. Every single one of them, because this guy is the only one.
 
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He does not have to. Robbers do not have to tell us that they did it for the money in order for us to know that they did it for the money
Robbery is not a hate crime.
 
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Its like JUMBO shrimp or military intlligence, the words are mutually exclusive. I beleive the term is oxymoron

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:lamo

helluva joke there. congrats.
 
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Off the top of my head, I cannot say how many of the Nazis who deliberately ran into a crowd of anti-Nazis did it for political reasons.

Actually, I can. Every single one of them, because this guy is the only one.

Oddly enough, you may have provided the perfect Nazi defense strategy. A lone Nazi, surrounded by a crowd of angry anti-Nazis, after having his windshield smashed then panicked out of fear for his life remembering the fate of Reginald Denny. ;)
 
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Driver’s Car With Baseball Bat

https://streamable.com/21gc9

after hit with bat is when he gave it gas
 
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Lets BAN um!

No need for that, just mandate the 'reasonable restrictions' of licensing, registration and insurance and cars will cease to be used by criminals - oh wait... ;)
 
Re: Alleged driver of car that plowed into Charlottesville crowd was a Nazi sympathiz

How does this remotely compare to what happened in Nice?

What about Nice? It's 300 miles further away from London than Paris, which were the places I mentioned.
 
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I'm going to disagree on the terrorism part.

The definition of terrorism has expanded to include a lot of other violent activities.

Bombing occupying soldiers for instance is commonly called terrorism.

It is not. It is asymmetrical warfare.

The original definition of terrorism is acts that are done specifically to frighten a population into pressuring its government to change its policies due to that fear.

I don't see how he thought his actions were going to do anything but the opposite of what he would like to see. We're not going to expel all the minorities to make people like him stop driving cars into crowds.

The 911 terrorists DID get us to change our ways in response. Which is a win for them, by the way.

So politically inspired murder. Perhaps an act of war by an unlawful combatant.

But not terrorism by any reasonable definition.

That's a reasonable argument. I may not agree with it completely. But, it is reasonable.
 
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