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Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

University of Virginia police dispersed a gathering of far-right protesters on the Charlottesville, Va. campus Friday night ahead of a planned demonstration by white nationalists, white supremacists and alt-right groups on Saturday.

Police arriving on the scene declared the protest on Friday an "unlawful assembly" and told demonstrators to disperse, video footage of the gathering shows.

Protesters holding torches clustered on the campus in an apparent lead-up to a Saturday demonstration protesting Charlottesville's decision to remove a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.

Photos and video of the protests posted on social media Friday showed demonstrators marching through dark walkways, chanting slogans like "white lives matter" and "you will not replace us."

Because 74% of the population is being oppressed by various minorities, obviously. If keeping confederate statues is not about race, then what are these protestors shouting about? The mayor who is black, and the deputy mayor who is Jewish, have been receiving death threats for months now.
 
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I was in C-Ville last week. Actually just got back tonight (14 hour drive). I was sure to get pictures of the statues (Stonewall Jackson, Robert E Lee and a confederate soldier representing the VA regiment with flanking cannons) before they are torn down. They were beautifully done and of historically important figures of the country. IMO, it's a shame that some want to tear them down. In talking to an employee of the historical society there, most of the opposition to the statues are from recent transplants to the area or from the college. Most of the long time residents (black and white) are in favor of keeping the statues.

Apropros to nothing, I just read a story of Muslims wanting to tear down a pretty cool (and giant) statue of a Chinese God in Indonesia. Apparently, the muslims were offended. To prevent the destruction of the statue, the Chinese covered it with a giant blanket, until they can figure out what to do with it.


Also apropros to nothing, we all know what ISIS did to the statues and other historically important sites in the territory they controlled.
 
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Liberals are violent people.

They are "anti-FA" - anti- First Amendment.
 
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Indian Giver said:
Liberals are violent people.

They are "anti-FA" - anti- First Amendment.
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No we are most definitely not violent people. I would write more but I have to go to my weekly Leon Trotsky & August Spies Marching and Drinking Society cell meeting where we are scheduled to go out with baseball bats and crack the heads of a local Young Republicans community college group. It should be fun.
 
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buck said:
I was in C-Ville last week. Actually just got back tonight (14 hour drive). I was sure to get pictures of the statues (Stonewall Jackson, Robert E Lee and a confederate soldier representing the VA regiment with flanking cannons) before they are torn down. They were beautifully done and of historically important figures of the country. IMO, it's a shame that some want to tear them down. In talking to an employee of the historical society there, most of the opposition to the statues are from recent transplants to the area or from the college. Most of the long time residents (black and white) are in favor of keeping the statues.

Apropros to nothing, I just read a story of Muslims wanting to tear down a pretty cool (and giant) statue of a Chinese God in Indonesia. Apparently, the muslims were offended. To prevent the destruction of the statue, the Chinese covered it with a giant blanket, until they can figure out what to do with it.


Also apropros to nothing, we all know what ISIS did to the statues and other historically important sites in the territory they controlled.
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a hysteric paranoia post
 
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buck said:
I was in C-Ville last week. Actually just got back tonight (14 hour drive). I was sure to get pictures of the statues (Stonewall Jackson, Robert E Lee and a confederate soldier representing the VA regiment with flanking cannons) before they are torn down. They were beautifully done and of historically important figures of the country. IMO, it's a shame that some want to tear them down. In talking to an employee of the historical society there, most of the opposition to the statues are from recent transplants to the area or from the college. Most of the long time residents (black and white) are in favor of keeping the statues.

Apropros to nothing, I just read a story of Muslims wanting to tear down a pretty cool (and giant) statue of a Chinese God in Indonesia. Apparently, the muslims were offended. To prevent the destruction of the statue, the Chinese covered it with a giant blanket, until they can figure out what to do with it.


Also apropros to nothing, we all know what ISIS did to the statues and other historically important sites in the territory they controlled.
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I can hear you - and I think they could be well used in a civil war museum. I'd hate to see them destroyed. Context is everything, IMO.

But this is about racism - not statues:

Dozens of white nationalists marched through the University of Virginia campus on Friday night carrying torches as they chanted “You will not replace us.”

The demonstrators, who also yelled "blood and soil" — a phrase tied to Nazi ideology — made their way through the Charlottesville campus before encircling a group of counter-protesters gathered around a statue of Thomas Jefferson.

A fight broke out, and some of the white nationalists swung their tiki torches at people, according to the Daily Progress

The Unite the Right rally, which is expected to draw 2,000 to 6,000 people, could be the "largest white supremacist gathering in a decade," according to the Anti-Defamation League.

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The crowd with the torches are the White Power/Nazi/Right Wing protestor. The handful of college kids in the middle are the ones who were assaulted.

Tienanmen square kinda bravery there - standing against a large crowd like that.
 
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Angelus said:
Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

University of Virginia police dispersed a gathering of far-right protesters on the Charlottesville, Va. campus Friday night ahead of a planned demonstration by white nationalists, white supremacists and alt-right groups on Saturday.

Police arriving on the scene declared the protest on Friday an "unlawful assembly" and told demonstrators to disperse, video footage of the gathering shows.

Protesters holding torches clustered on the campus in an apparent lead-up to a Saturday demonstration protesting Charlottesville's decision to remove a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.

Photos and video of the protests posted on social media Friday showed demonstrators marching through dark walkways, chanting slogans like "white lives matter" and "you will not replace us."

Because 74% of the population is being oppressed by various minorities, obviously. If keeping confederate statues is not about race, then what are these protestors shouting about? The mayor who is black, and the deputy mayor who is Jewish, have been receiving death threats for months now.
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I'll just repeat what I wrote in another similar thread.

"There comes a point when you keep calling people racist, some will finally go, "ok I am racist."

The alt right is still a minor group, but some of their leadership is intelligent and charismatic.
It's rising as a reaction to the social justice cult.
As both group are identitarians, define their politics by identity.

There are a lot of not racist, young and impressionable white kids out there, that delve into social media.
Seeing things like "all white people are racist," "POC can't be racist" and all the bat **** crazy that's been coming from those groups.
They see these white nationalist groups defending them against the social justice cult.

What else do you expect to happen when people over sell "oppression."
Ugly begets ugly."
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
I'll just repeat what I wrote in another similar thread.

"There comes a point when you keep calling people racist, some will finally go, "ok I am racist."

The alt right is still a minor group, but some of their leadership is intelligent and charismatic.
It's rising as a reaction to the social justice cult.
As both group are identitarians, define their politics by identity.

There are a lot of not racist, young and impressionable white kids out there, that delve into social media.
Seeing things like "all white people are racist," "POC can't be racist" and all the bat **** crazy that's been coming from those groups.
They see these white nationalist groups defending them against the social justice cult.

What else do you expect to happen when people over sell "oppression."
Ugly begets ugly."
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Wow - accusing these people of being racists is what made them come shout white power slogans. That's some circular reasoning you have going there. I don't care if there are impressionable white kids out there who were attracted to the movement - that makes them just as much to blame as any other shouting nazi.

WATCH: White nationalists chant ‘Jews will not replace us’ as the march with torches march in Virginia

"The fear we instill in them today only fuels our victory tomorrow," one rally supporter wrote on Twitter, in a message retweeted by Richard Spencer, one of the nation's most prominent white nationalists, who is attending the weekend's events in Virginia.

Yeah - clearly this i all the fault of liberal name calling.
In the words of Heinlein - "Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing animal"
 
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Angelus said:
Wow - accusing these people of being racists is what made them come shout white power slogans. That's some circular reasoning you have going there. I don't care if there are impressionable white kids out there who were attracted to the movement - that makes them just as much to blame as any other shouting nazi.

WATCH: White nationalists chant ‘Jews will not replace us’ as the march with torches march in Virginia

"The fear we instill in them today only fuels our victory tomorrow," one rally supporter wrote on Twitter, in a message retweeted by Richard Spencer, one of the nation's most prominent white nationalists, who is attending the weekend's events in Virginia.

Yeah - clearly this i all the fault of liberal name calling.
In the words of Heinlein - "Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing animal"
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No it's the totality of identity politics.
Not just calling them racists.

Identity politics is a nasty and virulent ideology.
Regardless of who is doing it.

These people are at fault for their own beliefs and actions, but their beliefs don't emerge from a vacuum.
 
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This is part of the essential essence of being American. They have a right to assemble, they have a right to their opinions, and anyone who doesn't like it has a right not to like it.
 
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Angelus said:
Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

University of Virginia police dispersed a gathering of far-right protesters on the Charlottesville, Va. campus Friday night ahead of a planned demonstration by white nationalists, white supremacists and alt-right groups on Saturday.

Police arriving on the scene declared the protest on Friday an "unlawful assembly" and told demonstrators to disperse, video footage of the gathering shows.

Protesters holding torches clustered on the campus in an apparent lead-up to a Saturday demonstration protesting Charlottesville's decision to remove a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.

Photos and video of the protests posted on social media Friday showed demonstrators marching through dark walkways, chanting slogans like "white lives matter" and "you will not replace us."

Because 74% of the population is being oppressed by various minorities, obviously. If keeping confederate statues is not about race, then what are these protestors shouting about? The mayor who is black, and the deputy mayor who is Jewish, have been receiving death threats for months now.
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Here's a shot of protesters shutting down an Interstate in MN at rush hour.
[video]http://stmedia.stimg.co/1302d785f3a64ab5b29b73b16c2ac5c1.jpeg?w=600&h=600[/video]
And here's one of protesters at a MN Congressman's home.
https://youtu.be/gc-GujmfOq8

Inspiring, ain't it?

What was your point again?
 
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Indian Giver said:
Liberals are violent people.

They are "anti-FA" - anti- First Amendment.
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Actually, if you bothered to read what really happened last night, it was your buddies who formed a mob and violated the first amendment rights of the group holding a vigil.

People planning to counter-protest tomorrow’s rally were just leaving a mass prayer service at St. Paul’s Memorial Church, on the UVA campus, when word began to spread that hundreds of white nationalists were marching toward the area.

https://thinkprogress.org/hundreds-...aming-torches-sparking-violence-84ebbc552bbe/
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Why do fascists hate prayer?
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
No it's the totality of identity politics.
Not just calling them racists.

Identity politics is a nasty and virulent ideology.
Regardless of who is doing it.

These people are at fault for their own beliefs and actions, but their beliefs don't emerge from a vacuum.
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Nor did their beliefs suddenly appear when they were called racists. The KKK and the American Nazi party have a long and violent heritage in the US - white supremacists didn't suddenly materialize. Putting the cart way before the horse there.

So do you stand with these guys? Or are they your loony fringe?

Johnson said:
This is part of the essential essence of being American. They have a right to assemble, they have a right to their opinions, and anyone who doesn't like it has a right not to like it.
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Yeah - sadly that is true. It's why I like the ACLU - who overturned an injunction that didn't allow the protestors access to the park. They have the right to march and shout slogans. I have the right to point out how hateful they are.

And republicans have the right to refuse to acknowledge the dangers inherent in the largest white power rally in decades. McVeigh was as much a terrorist as any other mass murderer.
 
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Angelus said:
Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

University of Virginia police dispersed a gathering of far-right protesters on the Charlottesville, Va. campus Friday night ahead of a planned demonstration by white nationalists, white supremacists and alt-right groups on Saturday.

Police arriving on the scene declared the protest on Friday an "unlawful assembly" and told demonstrators to disperse, video footage of the gathering shows.

Protesters holding torches clustered on the campus in an apparent lead-up to a Saturday demonstration protesting Charlottesville's decision to remove a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.

Photos and video of the protests posted on social media Friday showed demonstrators marching through dark walkways, chanting slogans like "white lives matter" and "you will not replace us."

Because 74% of the population is being oppressed by various minorities, obviously. If keeping confederate statues is not about race, then what are these protestors shouting about? The mayor who is black, and the deputy mayor who is Jewish, have been receiving death threats for months now.
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The Lee statue in Charlottesville may be about race to racists, and to others as well. To Virginia residents like me, however, the statue is about General Lee and the historical fact of the Civil War which in Virginia was a cataclysm. The great statues on Monument Avenue in Richmond are also under siege these days. Let’s not mince words. If the argument against the statues is that they
stand for the principles for which the South fought the war, there was only one fundamental principle and it wasn’t “states’ rights” or some general theory of white superiority. It was preservation of the institution of black slavery. You will find few defenders of the statue in Charlottesville or the ones in Richmond who also defend slavery.

Lee was born in Virginia, as were the other generals memorialized in the statues in Richmond. They led armies in battles Virginia, armies that included thousands of Virginia men and boys, ancestors of thousands of Virginia residents today. Lee and Stonewall Jackson (honored in one of the Richmond statues), who died from wounds suffered in a Virginia battle, are among the world’s leading military figures of the 19th Century.

Lee’s statue might not belong in New Orleans, where not long ago it was taken down. Lee never
set foot in Louisiana let alone New Orleans. His statue and those of the other generals do belong where they are in Virginia.
 
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bubbabgone said:
Here's a shot of protesters shutting down an Interstate in MN at rush hour.
[video]http://stmedia.stimg.co/1302d785f3a64ab5b29b73b16c2ac5c1.jpeg?w=600&h=600[/video]
And here's one of protesters at a MN Congressman's home.
https://youtu.be/gc-GujmfOq8

Inspiring, ain't it?

What was your point again?
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That this is going on now...that makes it breaking news. if you want I can post pictures of violent riots after football games too - those will be the most violent. Nice try at deflection but those clips have nothing to do with what is happening in Virginia.

The message here is "blood and soil" — a phrase tied to Nazi ideology. You don't think this is a bad thing, in and off itself? It seems your message here is that 'it's our turn now' - which kinda sounds like you support the message itself.
 
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Angelus said:
Nor did their beliefs suddenly appear when they were called racists. The KKK and the American Nazi party have a long and violent heritage in the US - white supremacists didn't suddenly materialize. Putting the cart way before the horse there.
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The Nazi's have largely been a more modern phenomenon, the Klan is a different story, but both have existed in rather minor numbers, in our time.
The question is, why would groups of similar ideology start emerging and growing.
Cause and effect, identity politics has caused an increase in other idetitarian movements.


Angelus said:
So do you stand with these guys? Or are they your loony fringe?
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With all people, unless they otherwise say, I assume they are not with "the fringe."
No where did I state that I accepted their views, nor do I ever feel obligated to "disavow" people whom I share nothing with but skin tone and maybe some political issues.

The one particular issue I may agree with some of them on, is the taking down of Confederate statues.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
The Nazi's have largely been a more modern phenomenon, the Klan is a different story, but both have existed in rather minor numbers, in our time.
The question is, why would groups of similar ideology start emerging and growing.
Cause and effect, identity politics has caused an increase in other idetitarian movements.




With all people, unless they otherwise say, I assume they are not with "the fringe."
No where did I state that I accepted their views, nor do I ever feel obligated to "disavow" people whom I share nothing with but skin tone and maybe some political issues.

The one particular issue I may agree with some of them on, is the taking down of Confederate statues.
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Remember the bold the next time you get the urge to complain about moderate Muslims not condemning a terror attack :roll:
 
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JackA said:
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The Lee statue in Charlottesville may be about race to racists, and to others as well. To Virginia residents like me, however, the statue is about General Lee and the historical fact of the Civil War which in Virginia was a cataclysm. The great statues on Monument Avenue in Richmond are also under siege these days. Let’s not mince words. If the argument against the statues is that they
stand for the principles for which the South fought the war, there was only one fundamental principle and it wasn’t “states’ rights” or some general theory of white superiority. It was preservation of the institution of black slavery. You will find few defenders of the statue in Charlottesville or the ones in Richmond who also defend slavery.

Lee was born in Virginia, as were the other generals memorialized in the statues in Richmond. They led armies in battles Virginia, armies that included thousands of Virginia men and boys, ancestors of thousands of Virginia residents today. Lee and Stonewall Jackson (honored in one of the Richmond statues), who died from wounds suffered in a Virginia battle, are among the world’s leading military figures of the 19th Century.

Lee’s statue might not belong in New Orleans, where not long ago it was taken down. Lee never
set foot in Louisiana let alone New Orleans. His statue and those of the other generals do belong where they are in Virginia.
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And I made a clear distinction between destroying a statue - and gathering them to be displayed with all the information that you wrote about Lee. A civil war open museum which gives context would be a good idea, IMO. They have a strong historical significance. But the govt of Virginia has made a decision.

If this is just about the statues, why are the marchers shouting nazi slogans? I don't recall any govt her in the US that supported the nazis.
 
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This should be interesting to watch.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
When did I ask them do this?

Also crap equivocation of protesting vs terrorist attack.
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What happened last night was not a protest. So, false equivocation is on you for calling a mob action a "protest." It actually was a terror attack.

Gee, white people can do anything and get excused by use of euphemisms. Black people chant, it's a riot. :roll:
 
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calamity said:
What happened last night was not a protest. So, false equivocation is on you for calling a mob action a "protest." Gee, white people can do anything and get excused by use of euphemisms. Black people chant, it's a riot. :roll:
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You sure do like to assign words and views to me, that you don't even know if I believe.
If they destroyed property and engaged in physical violence (not as a means of self defense), they are wrong.

Seems you're just up to your usual sophistry.
 
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Angelus said:
And I made a clear distinction between destroying a statue - and gathering them to be displayed with all the information that you wrote about Lee. A civil war open museum which gives context would be a good idea, IMO. They have a strong historical significance. But the govt of Virginia has made a decision.

If this is just about the statues, why are the marchers shouting nazi slogans? I don't recall any govt her in the US that supported the nazis.
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You're right. No governing body in the South ever has. The marchers are wrongly attempting to appropriate the symbolism of statue for their own purpose. Ignore them.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
You sure do like to assign words and views to me, that you don't even know if I believe.
If they destroyed property and engaged in physical violence (not as a means of self defense), they are wrong.

Seems you're just up to your usual sophistry.
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The white mob of haters terrorized a small group holding a prayer vigil. Why do you condone terrorism?
 
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