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Trump says he won't rule out military option in Venezuela

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Trump says he will speak with China's Xi about North Korea - CNNPolitics

(CNN)President Donald Trump on Friday would not rule out the possibility of a military intervention in Venezuela.
Asked about the possibility of a military intervention in response to a mounting crisis in the country, the President said that is something the United States "certainly could pursue."
"We have many options for Venezuela. And by the way, I am not going to rule out a military option," Trump said. "We have many options for Venezuela. This is our neighbor. You know, we are all over the world and we have troops all over the world in places that are very, very far away. Venezuela is not very far away and the people are suffering, and they are dying. We have many options for Venezuela, including a possible military option if necessary."
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Jesus Christ, WTF is wrong with him?
Cue the Trump supporters
 
He says this stuff to rally his stupid base and divert the news cycle away from Muellers probe.

Just a few examples.

1)When Congress started investigating Russia, he talked about Obama wiretapping him.

2)When he fired Comey, he hinted that he had tapes of their conversations.

3)When news broke of Michael Flynn working with Russian hackers broke out, he attacked Mika and Joe, and then he posted an edited WWE video of him 'fighting' CNN.

4)When the story of the meeting between Russian operatives was in the media cycle, he talked about a ban on transgenders in the military.

And now that his former campaign manager has had his home raided by the FBI and his business dealings are coming under scrutiny, he's hinting about nuclear war with North Korea.:roll:
 
Oddly enough he campaigned specifically against stuff like this, but then again almost every candidate for President says something similar until they get into office and it doesnt matter if it is Republican or Democrat the military industrial complex just keeps on going.
 
MovingPictures said:
He says this stuff to rally his stupid base and divert the news cycle away from Muellers probe.

Just a few examples.

1)When Congress started investigating Russia, he talked about Obama wiretapping him.

2)When he fired Comey, he hinted that he had tapes of their conversations.

3)When news broke of Michael Flynn working with Russian hackers broke out, he attacked Mika and Joe, and then he posted an edited WWE video of him 'fighting' CNN.

4)When the story of the meeting between Russian operatives was in the media cycle, he talked about a ban on transgenders in the military.

And now that his former campaign manager has had his home raided by the FBI and his business dealings are coming under scrutiny, he's hinting about nuclear war with North Korea.:roll:
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**** comments off the cuff are how wars start.
 
JANFU said:
Trump says he will speak with China's Xi about North Korea - CNNPolitics

Jesus Christ, WTF is wrong with him?
Cue the Trump supporters
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What's the problem?

Did George Bush Sr. have a problem invading Panama in 1989 to oust Noriega? No.

Did Ronald Reagan have any problem using SOF forces to train (and advise) Contra forces against the Nicaraguan Sandinistas back in the 80's? No.

Did Ronnie have any problems with the invasion of Grenada in 1983? No.

How many prior President's have enforced the Monroe Doctrine, right up until Obama repudiated it in 2013?

Now me personally? I don't think we should interfere with Venezuela. It's their country and their problems not ours. But that's just me. :shrug:
 
JANFU said:
Trump says he will speak with China's Xi about North Korea - CNNPolitics


Jesus Christ, WTF is wrong with him?
Cue the Trump supporters
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Well....

Someone asked him about the possibility of military intervention. He answered.

You act like he came out talking about military without it even being mentioned.


You think its smart for him to claim he is for sure not going to use military and then the **** goes sideways and military actions becomes necessary, for whatever reason (genocide, etc) and then he uses military then the lib media cries foul that "He told us he would not use military!!!"

Give me a break. If Obama had responded to this question the same way, I wouldn't have batted an eye.
 
The incendiary language Trump used about NK is irresponsible but I honestly don't have a problem with a President simply refusing to take military options "off the table". At least publicly. Why let a potential enemy have a peek at your playbook?

If he had volunteered up that statement unprompted then I would consider it inflammatory but he was simply answering a question asked. I don't think we should use military force in Venezuela, but I don't mind giving the impression that it is at least in our bag of tricks.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
The incendiary language Trump used about NK is irresponsible but I honestly don't have a problem with a President simply refusing to take military options "off the table". At least publicly. Why let a potential enemy have a peek at your playbook?

If he had volunteered up that statement unprompted then I would consider it inflammatory but he was simply answering a question asked. I don't think we should use military force in Venezuela, but I don't mind giving the impression that it is at least in our bag of tricks.
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Exactly my point.
 
Caine said:
Well....

Someone asked him about the possibility of military intervention. He answered.

You act like he came out talking about military without it even being mentioned.


You think its smart for him to claim he is for sure not going to use military and then the **** goes sideways and military actions becomes necessary, for whatever reason (genocide, etc) and then he uses military then the lib media cries foul that "He told us he would not use military!!!"

Give me a break. If Obama had responded to this question the same way, I wouldn't have batted an eye.
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No reason what so ever to intervene in Venezuela. None
 
JANFU said:
No reason what so ever to intervene in Venezuela. None
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At this time....no.

But to claim military intervention isn't possible at some point in the future when who know what could happen is just plain ignorant.

You act like he said he is drawing up plans to invade tomorrow. That isn't what is being said here, you do realize this don't you?
 
I think this is his old school negotiation tactics coming out. Threaten/bully and then offer a chance to make an agreement. He feels it gives him an edge is my guess.
It may. But I think given is overall inconsistency at home, it has ruined his credibility. Then again, they see he's willing to basically ruin his reputation at home, why would he not be willing to screw around militarily? Especially when he desperately needs a distraction.
 
JANFU said:
No reason what so ever to intervene in Venezuela. None
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If you can't understand post #10, then look at it this way.

Say something creates an us vs them attitude within Venezuela and it becomes wide scale genocide like what happened in Rwanda.

For reference... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide#Rwandan_Civil_War

Then if we intervene, Trump will be considered a liar for stating we wouldn't use military. If we don't intervene while having the capability of stopping genocide, we will be morally wrong.
 
Plus Ultra said:
Would you oppose military action if it was the only way to prevent the humanitarian disaster in Venezuela? What magnitude of atrocity do you feel is tolerable?
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Recall Rwanda?
 
Caine said:
If you can't understand post #10, then look at it this way.

Say something creates an us vs them attitude within Venezuela and it becomes wide scale genocide like what happened in Rwanda.

For reference... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide#Rwandan_Civil_War

Then if we intervene, Trump will be considered a liar for stating we wouldn't use military. If we don't intervene while having the capability of stopping genocide, we will be morally wrong.
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I am well aware of Rwanda and the worlds lack of action.
No he would not have been considered a liar.
A civil war in Venezuela, is that a reason to intervene?
 
Mach said:
I think this is his old school negotiation tactics coming out. Threaten/bully and then offer a chance to make an agreement. He feels it gives him an edge is my guess.
It may. But I think given is overall inconsistency at home, it has ruined his credibility. Then again, they see he's willing to basically ruin his reputation at home, why would he not be willing to screw around militarily? Especially when he desperately needs a distraction.
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How is this threatening or bullying anyone? He was merely responding to a question that military intervention is a possibility if it becomes necessary.....


That isn't bullying anyone.


Some of you hate Trump so bad you immediately call any and all logical/tactical responses as "Bullying!!!!!111!!!oneOMFG!!!!"
 
JANFU said:
I am well aware of Rwanda and the worlds lack of action.
No he would not have been considered a liar.
A civil war in Venezuela, is that a reason to intervene?
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Not necessarily.

But what was the quote in the last part of your quoted OP section?? I'll remind you...

Your OP Quote said:
"We have many options for Venezuela. This is our neighbor. You know, we are all over the world and we have troops all over the world in places that are very, very far away. Venezuela is not very far away and the people are suffering, and they are dying. We have many options for Venezuela, including a possible military option if necessary."
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Emphasis added by me of course.....
 
Caine said:
Not necessarily.

But what was the quote in the last part of your quoted OP section?? I'll remind you...



Emphasis added by me of course.....
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I vaguely recall a phone transcript he had with PM Mexico, him stating he is the most powerful person in the world, and Mexico needs to tone down the talk about not paying for the wall.
I think the man is losing it.
 
Caine said:
How is this threatening or bullying anyone? He was merely responding to a question that military intervention is a possibility if it becomes necessary.....


That isn't bullying anyone.


Some of you hate Trump so bad you immediately call any and all logical/tactical responses as "Bullying!!!!!111!!!oneOMFG!!!!"
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So you supported obama wanting to intervene in Syria then right?
 
JANFU said:
I vaguely recall a phone transcript he had with PM Mexico, him stating he is the most powerful person in the world, and Mexico needs to tone down the talk about not paying for the wall.
I think the man is losing it.
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Moving goalposts?

Im not here to talk about a phone conversation that Trump had with Mexico in which he allegedly said some random stuff.


Im talking about the OP. Lets stay on message here...
 
Mach said:
I think this is his old school negotiation tactics coming out. Threaten/bully and then offer a chance to make an agreement. He feels it gives him an edge is my guess.

It may. But I think given is overall inconsistency at home, it has ruined his credibility. Then again, they see he's willing to basically ruin his reputation at home, why would he not be willing to screw around militarily? Especially when he desperately needs a distraction.
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He needs a distraction?
The latest Zogby Analytics survey, provided to Secrets, gave Trump a 45% approval rating, driven by big gains among Hispanics, union households and voters in the West. What's more, said Zogby, more men approve of Trump than don't.

The areas where Trump has gained ground:

Hispanics. "Trump saw one the biggest improvements among any subgroup with Hispanics; his approval increased 11 percent to 42 percent approval versus 55 percent who disapprove of Trump's job as president."

Union households. "Trump's numbers also increased significantly among union voters from 43 percent approval to 51 percent approval in August."

Weekly Walmart shoppers. 55 percent approve while 43 percent disapprove.

Married voters. 53 percent approve vs. 43 percent disapprove.

Western voters. "Trump's s approval increased 10 percent in the West to 43 percent approve/52 percent disapprove."

Republican base. 76 percent approval vs. 22 percent disapproval. Trump approval rebounds to 45%, surges among Hispanics, union homes, men
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I know critical lefties aren't among the weekly Walmart shoppers and few are married (at least not in the 'conventional' sense), most are not likely in a trade union (unless they're teachers or work for the government) and I doubt many are Hispanic either. You guys have to figure out "diversity" means including such people too.

Intervention in Venezuela might become necessary as the situation there degenerates further into chaos. Global financial rating and other institutions are now banning trade in Venezuelan securities, Brazil, Peru (which has withdrawn it's ambassador) and Colombia are setting up refugee camps for Venezuelans, over 120 people have been shot and killed by the Venezuelan police as they protested against the regime. There was military insurrection a couple of days ago. Things are getting pretty bad there, no need to be looking for excuses to intervene.
 
Praxas said:
So you supported obama wanting to intervene in Syria then right?
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I had no opinion on the matter at the time, as I wasn't really paying attention to it.

Lets try to stay on THIS Topic..

Thanks in advance.
 
Captain Adverse said:
What's the problem?

Did George Bush Sr. have a problem invading Panama in 1989 to oust Noriega? No.

Did Ronald Reagan have any problem using SOF forces to train (and advise) Contra forces against the Nicaraguan Sandinistas back in the 80's? No.

Did Ronnie have any problems with the invasion of Grenada in 1983? No.

How many prior President's have enforced the Monroe Doctrine, right up until Obama repudiated it in 2013?

Now me personally? I don't think we should interfere with Venezuela. It's their country and their problems not ours. But that's just me. :shrug:
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But we can take their oil can't we? That is what Trump is thinking I bet. :lol:
 
Plus Ultra said:
He needs a distraction?

I know critical lefties aren't among the weekly Walmart shoppers and few are married (at least not in the 'conventional' sense), most are not likely in a trade union (unless they're teachers or work for the government) and I doubt many are Hispanic either. You guys have to figure out "diversity" means including such people too.

Intervention in Venezuela might become necessary as the situation there degenerates further into chaos. Global financial rating and other institutions are now banning trade in Venezuelan securities, Brazil, Peru (which has withdrawn it's ambassador) and Colombia are setting up refugee camps for Venezuelans, over 120 people have been shot and killed by the Venezuelan police as they protested against the regime. There was military insurrection a couple of days ago. Things are getting pretty bad there, no need to be looking for excuses to intervene.
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Perhaps as a U.N. backed coalition of nations but we should never unilaterally invade a sovereign nation unless it physically attacks us. We are not imperialists.
 
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