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Judge orders State Dept. to search state.gov accounts for Clinton aides' Benghazi ema

Re: Judge orders State Dept. to search state.gov accounts for Clinton aides' Benghazi

Benghazi IS CT bull****. It's been beaten to death eight damn times. That's why all investigations moved on to the emails.

Fact-checking Benghazi: The rhetoric hasn't matched up with reality | PolitiFact

Benghazi was in the end exactly what is seemed to be: a complete ****show, with everybody in the White House looking awful because their responses to a travesty were all over the map. But the idea that Obama ordered a stand-down and let them die is all CT.

So we're on to the emails, because hey, why not. But if nothing is found in the state.gov accounts, it will be something else: Clinton will continue to get daily front page coverage on Fox News because she is, again, Emmanuel Goldstein for Republicans.

Fine, move along then, if you're comfortable with the current situation.
 
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In the interest of honesty, I doubt anything will come from either set of investigations. I see both as just s*it-slinging, and will have the effect of harming future, more necessary and justified investigations. Now, that being said, I could be wrong about either or both, and will have no issue in admitting such should that happen.

I won't be surprised if something comes up in the Trump investigation.

This investigation is going the way of the witch hunt for something on Bill Clinton did. Monica Lewinski had nothing to do with what they were originally investigating, and yet it was his lie about that which caused impeachment proceedings.
And we all know Trump lies his ass off about the petty character **** that he should just admit freely.
 
Re: Judge orders State Dept. to search state.gov accounts for Clinton aides' Benghazi

Why was this not checked by the Republicans in their numerous investigations

Good question, I don't know.
 
Re: Judge orders State Dept. to search state.gov accounts for Clinton aides' Benghazi

And what is the import of this, versus the current revaluations going on with Mueller et al?

It's a news story, or wasn't that obvious?
 
Re: Judge orders State Dept. to search state.gov accounts for Clinton aides' Benghazi

From the Judge's order:

f an e-mail did not involve any state.gov user, the message would have passed through only the Secretary’s private server and, therefore, would be beyond the immediate reach of State. Because of this circumstance, unlike the ordinary case, State could not look solely to its own records systems to adequately respond to [Judicial Watch’s] demand.

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[The State Department] has not, however, searched the one records system over which it has always had control and that is almost certain to contain some responsive records: the state.gov e-mail server. If Secretary Clinton sent an e-mail about Benghazi to Abedin, Mills, or Sullivan at his or her state.gov e-mail address, or if one of them sent an e-mail to Secretary Clinton using his or her state.gov account, then State’s server presumably would have captured and stored such an e-mail. Therefore, State has an obligation to search its own server for responsive records.

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State has offered no assurance that the three record compilations it received [from Secretary Clinton and her aides], taken together, constitute the entirety of Secretary Clinton’s e-mails during the time period relevant to Plaintiff’s FOIA Request. Absent such assurance, the court is unconvinced “beyond material doubt” that a search of the state.gov accounts of Abedin, Mills and Sullivan is “unlikely to produce any marginal return.”

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Accordingly, the court finds that State has not met its burden of establishing it performed an adequate search in response to Plaintiff’s FOIA Request and orders State to conduct a supplemental search of the state.gov e-mail accounts of Abedin, Mills, and Sullivan.


Judicial Watch Victory: Federal Court Orders State Department to Conduct a Search of Benghazi Emails of Hillary Clinton?s Closest Advisors - Judicial Watch

If Clinton had not deleted 30,000 emails, then this would have been over long ago. She is her own worst enemy.

One final point... Judicial Watch had to fight the Trump State Department and Department of Justice, because Tillerson and Sessions refused to search for the relevant emails.
 
Re: Judge orders State Dept. to search state.gov accounts for Clinton aides' Benghazi

Fine, move along then, if you're comfortable with the current situation.

I can't imagine what you think I find comfortable about the current situation.
 
Re: Judge orders State Dept. to search state.gov accounts for Clinton aides' Benghazi

I'm surprised state.gov wasn't searched already. Let's get it done.

Probably because unlike the typical idiot conservatives the investigators knew there wouldn't be anything there worth finding.

Hillary Clinton isn't president. You guys can quit wasting your time and tax payer money on this nonsense any day now. Is Trump really doing that badly that you need to distract the world from his crimes?
 
Re: Judge orders State Dept. to search state.gov accounts for Clinton aides' Benghazi

Yes but one assumes they hate her just like you hate Trump. Tit for tat. Duelling investigations. Seems easy for me to understand.

Dueling? The Repubs have shot what, 7 times now? At what point does an adult come and take their gun away?
 
Re: Judge orders State Dept. to search state.gov accounts for Clinton aides' Benghazi

It must be surreal being a Fox News consumer. Every day is pre-November, 2016, and Clinton is still running for President. Do they even know that Trump is President now?

What we know is "what is good for the goose is good for the gander" and for Mueller to go fishing for Trump's scalp when the Clinton Mob walked away from prosecution giggling all the way to the bank begs the question of equal justice.

And to answer the question you are going to ask, "Yes, there is a lot of "there" there, and if you want to investigate Trump for no crime that has been identified so far, then you should investigate the Clintons for crimes that have occurred."

If you can't investigate the Clintons, then there is no point in having a justice department. Just close it and turn it into a day care of something.
 
Re: Judge orders State Dept. to search state.gov accounts for Clinton aides' Benghazi

Why was this not checked by the Republicans in their numerous investigations

They were not turned over and were listed as "missing".
 
Re: Judge orders State Dept. to search state.gov accounts for Clinton aides' Benghazi

Probably because unlike the typical idiot conservatives the investigators knew there wouldn't be anything there worth finding.

Hillary Clinton isn't president. You guys can quit wasting your time and tax payer money on this nonsense any day now. Is Trump really doing that badly that you need to distract the world from his crimes?

Sorry to disappoint you, but losing the election does not give her a get out of jail card.
 
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What we know is "what is good for the goose is good for the gander" and for Mueller to go fishing for Trump's scalp when the Clinton Mob walked away from prosecution giggling all the way to the bank begs the question of equal justice.

And to answer the question you are going to ask, "Yes, there is a lot of "there" there, and if you want to investigate Trump for no crime that has been identified so far, then you should investigate the Clintons for crimes that have occurred."

If you can't investigate the Clintons, then there is no point in having a justice department. Just close it and turn it into a day care of something.

As I already told Beaudreaux, knock yourself out.
 
Re: Judge orders State Dept. to search state.gov accounts for Clinton aides' Benghazi

Sorry to disappoint you, but losing the election does not give her a get out of jail card.

No, the fact that three years of investigations turned up nothing, the fact that the actual president is more dangerous and more pressing, and the fact that the Benghazi investigation was all just a political which hunt to begin with does.

Your desperate attempts to keep Trump's horrible administration out of the headlines is sad.
 
Re: Judge orders State Dept. to search state.gov accounts for Clinton aides' Benghazi

No, the fact that three years of investigations turned up nothing, the fact that the actual president is more dangerous and more pressing, and the fact that the Benghazi investigation was all just a political which hunt to begin with does.

Your desperate attempts to keep Trump's horrible administration out of the headlines is sad.

Sounds like you are in favor of discontinuing all cold case files in the nation's police departments, right. After all, many of them have been investigated for three years, or maybe much longer, and haven't been solved. I see you the type of partisan that thinks any investigation into someone whose politics you agree with is a witch hunt, but I'd be willing to bet you are all for any investigation involving a conservative, right??

And finally, for your information, I did not vote for Trump and could care less that his bumblings are in the headlines.
 
Re: Judge orders State Dept. to search state.gov accounts for Clinton aides' Benghazi

THIS JUST IN:

We have, live from the US State Department, exclusive shots of Judicial Watch preparing to crack open the state.gov email accounts of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton:

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Re: Judge orders State Dept. to search state.gov accounts for Clinton aides' Benghazi

Dueling? The Repubs have shot what, 7 times now? At what point does an adult come and take their gun away?

I have no idea but probably sometime after the democrats are done with the Russia issue.
 
Re: Judge orders State Dept. to search state.gov accounts for Clinton aides' Benghazi

nope we are forcing people to be consistent in their argument. which happens to be a huge problem right now.
you can't deny that one did no wrong doing and then when someone else does the same thing want to hang them from a tree.

it doesn't work that way.
That's reasonable, Ludin.

As long as the attitude is "Hang them both", rather than "Your guy got away with it, so mine should too".
 
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That's reasonable, Ludin.

As long as the attitude is "Hang them both", rather than "Your guy got away with it, so mine should too".

If a law was broken then i expect no matter who it is to be punished according to the law. without that we have anarchy.
That is the level to which i am held. a politician is no different.
 
Re: Judge orders State Dept. to search state.gov accounts for Clinton aides' Benghazi

I won't be surprised if something comes up in the Trump investigation.

This investigation is going the way of the witch hunt for something on Bill Clinton did. Monica Lewinski had nothing to do with what they were originally investigating, and yet it was his lie about that which caused impeachment proceedings.
And we all know Trump lies his ass off about the petty character **** that he should just admit freely.

My biggest hope is, assuming both investigations come up empty, that both sides agree to at least a temporary investigation cease fire. Because if both come up empty, but republicans decide there's still more they can do to pin something on Hillary and open another investigation, democrats will do everything they can to follow suit. And vice versa of course. Obviously I could be wrong and either (or both) investigation could unearth serious malfeasance, in which case my lamentations would be misplaced.
 
Re: Judge orders State Dept. to search state.gov accounts for Clinton aides' Benghazi

I want Congress and the public (like Judicial Watch and others) to see them to try to finally get the answers and the truth and do what is required to prevent it in the future.

Conflating what I said in my post with CT bull**** is fundamentally unfair and I don't deserve that. I wouldn't do that to you.

I can only speak for myself on this, but I can't imagine what more Benghazi investigations are going to uncover that we don't already know. You say you don't want your post to be labeled CT bull**** but if you think that there are still fundamental questions still unanswered, you have to believe there was and still is an elaborate coverup, at the Pentagon, WH, and intelligence, involving at least dozens, maybe hundreds, of individuals. You mention people in aircraft and stand down orders. Do you believe the U.S. military made a decision to allow those people to die, when they knew they could help? If this was ordered from the WH, do you believe that no one in the military chain of command would leak these orders or testify publicly to them? They have not, so far, so you have to believe those guys are in on the conspiracy, too, because we've had the military response already addressed and the results of the review were released publicly, at least in part - I read that report.
 
Re: Judge orders State Dept. to search state.gov accounts for Clinton aides' Benghazi

When they have actually checked everything instead of failing to check something as simple as state.gov email data from those within her own department.

I doubt this will come up with anything to be honest, but I want to make sure that they have done everything, because people actually died here, criminal negligence or not, I think the families of those who died deserve to know that the government has found out where the mistake was and that the people of the US know that this type of mistake will be fixed. (Unlike this "Russia" bull**** which started as a manufactured outrage).

The fact that the judge ordered compliance with a FOIA request doesn't mean that the MANY investigations haven't already requested and seen those emails. I know for a fact many of them were requested and looked at because they were published - a long stream of them during the attack and about the response afterward.

But maybe investigations 12 and 13 or maybe 21, or 28 will finally unveil the "truth" about what happened, since the first many, over a period of nearly 5 years now, haven't done so to people's satisfaction.
 
Re: Judge orders State Dept. to search state.gov accounts for Clinton aides' Benghazi

From the Judge's order:



Judicial Watch Victory: Federal Court Orders State Department to Conduct a Search of Benghazi Emails of Hillary Clinton?s Closest Advisors - Judicial Watch

If Clinton had not deleted 30,000 emails, then this would have been over long ago. She is her own worst enemy.

One final point... Judicial Watch had to fight the Trump State Department and Department of Justice, because Tillerson and Sessions refused to search for the relevant emails.
No matter what side one takes on the Clinton's, we've got to admit the FOIA is one powerful and great tool! :thumbs:
 
Re: Judge orders State Dept. to search state.gov accounts for Clinton aides' Benghazi

If a law was broken then i expect no matter who it is to be punished according to the law. without that we have anarchy.
That is the level to which i am held. a politician is no different.
Can't argue with that ...
 
Re: Judge orders State Dept. to search state.gov accounts for Clinton aides' Benghazi

I won't be surprised if something comes up in the Trump investigation.

This investigation is going the way of the witch hunt for something on Bill Clinton did. Monica Lewinski had nothing to do with what they were originally investigating, and yet it was his lie about that which caused impeachment proceedings.
And we all know Trump lies his ass off about the petty character **** that he should just admit freely.
I agree.

Not just obstruction, but rather I'm thinking some financial impropriety. There's little chance a billionaire regularly doing a plethora of deals won't somehow cross the line. Anything from minor inadvertent missed regulations or record keeping, to grey-area dealing, to even perhaps Russian money laundering through real estate. I think the last is a real possibility, given the circumstances of the selling of his Florida estate to a Russian oligarch in a very unusual situation which Mueller is examining (the oligarch paid way over the market and listed price).

But with all this being said, I can't say crimes of this nature will surely lead to impeachment. Not with the GOP Congress. And not unless collusion, as demonstrated by a quid-pro-quo, is clearly demonstrated.
 
Re: Judge orders State Dept. to search state.gov accounts for Clinton aides' Benghazi

If a law was broken then i expect no matter who it is to be punished according to the law. without that we have anarchy.
That is the level to which i am held. a politician is no different.

If only that were true. As often as not, politicians are above the law.
 
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