Trump says North Korea will be met by 'fire, fury' if threats continue

LetsGoBrandon · Aug 12, 2017

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iguanaman said:
I see 2 people pouring don't you?

I see you unable to determine where all the gasoline is coming from. Soft talk and perpetual attempts at diplomacy is what has allowed North Korea to build up their nuke program this far. They have broken agreement after agreement after agreement. remember Bill Clinton telling us that the North Koreans will never get nukes? Whether you want to accept it or not, Trump is the adult in the room telling the insane fat boy in North Korea what will happen to him and his regime if he does something stupid.

LetsGoBrandon · Aug 12, 2017

Helix said:
Trump lacks the fitness for office of any president in recent memory.

Baloney. Unfit by what standards? Would you have preferred Hillary? She would have been unfit by mental and physical health standards. Remember: "I dodged sniper fire in Bosnia"? And "Daughter Chelsea was jogging around the world trade center towers when the jets hit"? Remember the blood clots, seizures, etc? And she could barely step into her campaign van or campaign jet without falling on her face. Then there was LBJ who was believed to have staged the Gulf of Tonkin incident to get us into the Vietnam war because he wanted an FDR like war legacy. Nixon was obviously unfit, however you cannot declare Trump unfit because you do not like his tweets or warnings to North Korea and expect to be taken seriously on that suggestion by anyone but Trump haters.

Plus Ultra · Aug 12, 2017

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Unitedwestand13 said:
He gets to avoid the same fate as Iraq and Libya.

It seems a little simplistic to claim Kim needs nukes to avoid the fate of Saddam and Khaddafy. Though it is true Iraq and Libya had no nukes and that countries with nukes haven't been militarily intervened against, there are lots of countries without nukes which the US has not intervened against. Something more than the lack of nukes keeps the US from militarily intervening.

Helix · Aug 12, 2017

ObamacareFail said:
Baloney. Unfit by what standards?

unfit by any standards. watch the Kennedy v Trump videos that i posted earlier in the thread.

ObamacareFail said:
Would you have preferred Hillary? She would have been unfit by mental and physical health standards. Remember: "I dodged sniper fire in Bosnia"? And "Daughter Chelsea was jogging around the world trade center towers when the jets hit"? Remember the blood clots, seizures, etc? And she could barely step into her campaign van or campaign jet without falling on her face. Then there was LBJ who was believed to have staged the Gulf of Tonkin incident to get us into the Vietnam war because he wanted an FDR like war legacy. Nixon was obviously unfit, however you cannot declare Trump unfit because you do not like his tweets or warnings to North Korea and expect to be taken seriously on that suggestion by anyone but Trump haters.

#buthillary. i didn't support Hillary Clinton's candidacy in 2008 or 2016. she strikes me as ingenuine, and if she claimed that she liked ice cream, i would look for the political angle in it. the Democratic primary was more of a coronation than an election, and the DNC completely ignored the fact that the Republicans nominated unappealing legacy candidates in 2008 and 2012 and lost because of it. i plugged my nose to vote for her because a Trump presidency was basically unthinkable.

as for Johnson and Nixon, i'm not a fan of their presidencies, and both did damage, though Johnson at least signed the civil rights act.

Plus Ultra · Aug 12, 2017

Helix said:
ingenuine

I think you mean "un-genuine". In Spanish "ingenuo" (means naive)

if she claimed that she liked ice cream, i would look for the political angle in it.

Evidently you do mean un-genuine, kind of fake. Her carefully-crafted sample-surveyed and meticulously politically correct talking points caused that impression.

The Democratic primary was more of a coronation than an election

Absolutely true, she was thought to be entitled to be president.

Helix · Aug 12, 2017

Plus Ultra said:
I think you mean "un-genuine". In Spanish "ingenuo" (means naive)

it's possible i was using a vernacular term that isn't proper English :

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ingenuine

that's interesting, anyway.

Plus Ultra said:
Evidently you do mean un-genuine, kind of fake. Her carefully-crafted sample-surveyed and meticulously politically correct talking points caused that impression.

Absolutely true, she was thought to be entitled to be president.

possibly. she had some serious negatives, and she was running against party fatigue. had she won, i still believe that Paul Ryan or some dark horse candidate would have defeated her in 2020.

iguanaman · Aug 12, 2017

ObamacareFail said:
Your partisanship is making you extremely naive and lacking in objectivity. Cuba was also a tiny backwards nation with just a few a-bombs. JFK did not trust tin pot dictator Fidel with nukes anymore then Trump trusts the insane fat boy leading North Korea. at least regarding Cuba, Russia maintained some control of Cuba's use of nukes. China does not maintain any effective control of the fat boy in North Korea. At least they have not yet. You may be prefectly willing to accept a perpetual missile crisis regarding North Korea, however the rest of the world is not. as long as North Korea has any ability to fire nuclear tipped ICBMs, there will be a massive military force parked nearly in a perpetual state of readiness pointed at him with a hair trigger.. The nukes are certainly not making North Korea less likely to be invaded. That fact will only change if the rest of the world is stupid enough to allow the North Koreans to keep and modernize that arsenal into to something on par with the US or the Soviet arsenal.

So that means Trump is stupid then right? When he does nothing you will finally see how stupid he is and you are to blame also. No action will be taken to remove NK's nukes. They want them and we have no sane way to take them away. We will survive just fine too. They will just join the 9 other nations that maintain an expensive weapon that can never be used.

iguanaman · Aug 12, 2017

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ObamacareFail said:
I see you unable to determine where all the gasoline is coming from. Soft talk and perpetual attempts at diplomacy is what has allowed North Korea to build up their nuke program this far. They have broken agreement after agreement after agreement. remember Bill Clinton telling us that the North Koreans will never get nukes? Whether you want to accept it or not, Trump is the adult in the room telling the insane fat boy in North Korea what will happen to him and his regime if he does something stupid.

The NK's have been doing the same saber rattling for decades. The only thing that has changed is Trump's response. He got you all worked up for nothing. Get used to it . Trump is nothing but a showman looking for ratings. Go back to sleep.

LetsGoBrandon · Aug 12, 2017

Helix said:
unfit by any standards. watch the Kennedy v Trump videos that i posted earlier in the thread.

I am asking for specifics. JFK was a good president....and for that matter more conservative then today's establishment RINO republicans. However you have shown me nothing that justifies your claim that Trump is unfit for the office.

#buthillary. i didn't support Hillary Clinton's candidacy in 2008 or 2016. she strikes me as ingenuine, and if she claimed that she liked ice cream, i would look for the political angle in it. the Democratic primary was more of a coronation than an election, and the DNC completely ignored the fact that the Republicans nominated unappealing legacy candidates in 2008 and 2012 and lost because of it.

On that we are 100% in agreement. The democrats certainly did not learn from the republican failures of 2008 and 2012. In fact I am not sure the republicans learned the lesson either. They attempted to nominate another unappealing legacy candidate in 2016(Jeb Bush).

i plugged my nose to vote for her because a Trump presidency was basically unthinkable.

I did not vote for Trump in the primary. My vote went to Ted Cruz. Even though I attended Trump's first rally in my city, I thought he behaved badly in the primaries. I was more impressed with his performance in the general election, especially in the debates with Hillary...however for me it was more about the populist movement that Trump tapped into then the candidate himself. And I just could not stomach the idea for Hillary picking out next two or three US Supreme Court justices. That kind of damage could have taken half a century to repair.

as for Johnson and Nixon, i'm not a fan of their presidencies, and both did damage, though Johnson at least signed the civil rights act.

Yes, he did...however his motives were not honorable. He was a well known racist who often used the terms: "nigger', and "nigra"

LetsGoBrandon · Aug 12, 2017

iguanaman said:
So that means Trump is stupid then right? When he does nothing you will finally see how stupid he is and you are to blame also. No action will be taken to remove NK's nukes. They want them and we have no sane way to take them away. We will survive just fine too. They will just join the 9 other nations that maintain an expensive weapon that can never be used.

Get back to me when you have a coherent argument.

Helix · Aug 12, 2017

ObamacareFail said:
I am asking for specifics. JFK was a good president....and for that matter more conservative then today's establishment RINO republicans. However you have shown me nothing that justifies your claim that Trump is unfit for the office.

1. JFK could actually explain a global crisis coherently.

2. JFK had the temperament necessary to navigate a global crisis.

Trump lacks the temperament to handle Monday morning on Twitter if a celebrity or pundit said something mean about him.

see the difference?

ObamacareFail said:
On that we are 100% in agreement. The democrats certainly did not learn from the republican failures of 2008 and 2012. In fact I am not sure the republicans learned the lesson either. They attempted to nominate another unappealing legacy candidate in 2016(Jeb Bush).

yep, we're definitely in agreement on these points.

ObamacareFail said:
I did not vote for Trump in the primary. My vote went to Ted Cruz. Even though I attended Trump's first rally in my city, I thought he behaved badly in the primaries. I was more impressed with his performance in the general election, especially in the debates with Hillary...however for me it was more about the populist movement that Trump tapped into then the candidate himself. And I just could not stomach the idea for Hillary picking out next two or three US Supreme Court justices. That kind of damage could have taken half a century to repair.

probably would have been Tim Kaine or whoever got elected in 2020. Clinton would have spent most of her first term under constant impeachment attempts, and if she was not impeached, she wouldn't have even been able to get a resolution stating that weekends are fun through congress. the Republicans probably would have Garlanded every one of her nominees.

ObamacareFail said:
Yes, he did...however his motives were not honorable. He was a well known racist who often used the terms: "nigger', and "nigra"

yep, he was far from a perfect president. i'm not going to waste much time defending him, because my weekend is short. he wasn't unfit for office in the same way that Trump is, though.

iguanaman · Aug 12, 2017

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Plus Ultra said:
It seems a little simplistic to claim Kim needs nukes to avoid the fate of Saddam and Khaddafy. Though it is true Iraq and Libya had no nukes and that countries with nukes haven't been militarily intervened against, there are lots of countries without nukes which the US has not intervened against. Something more than the lack of nukes keeps the US from militarily intervening.

So you believe the N. Korean regime has complex and nuanced motives? What gives you that impression of them? Many who have studied them call them the most paranoid regime in history. Rampant paranoia does not lend itself to complexities and nuances.
Meanwhile it has always been fear of a global war with China that has kept the regime safe and they have reiterated their intent to support N. Korea if they are invaded this week.

Red_Dave · Aug 12, 2017

Ikari said:
Did he tweet this to Kim Jong-Un?

lol

Man, the guy doesn't sound too much different, does he?

They should both get out their respective tape measures and be done with it.

Anthony60 · Aug 12, 2017

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iguanaman said:
What nuclear attack?
Doing nothing or doing what we have been doing are the only options we have. The only thing that has changed is the lunatic in the Whitehouse who thinks this whole gig is nothing but a scam to get ratings. He got you all worked up over nothing and the rest of the world sees it as another example of the frighteningly irresponsible buffoon we now call President. But as soon as this all blows over, Trump will wave his tiny hand and you will forget all about it. So not to worry, you won't hold this failure against him either. You'll still think he is a HUGE winner. :lol:

The lunatic is in North Korea, you seem to forget that. Your post is basically an "I hate Trump" rant, making no argument at all. And siding with our enemy, as many Democrat leaders have done. With people like the Democrats over here, who needs enemies?

But don't worry, we'll have a bigger problem when Iran has nukes, as they actively work to kill Americans, our good ole buddies. I can't seem to remember you calling the president a "lunatic" or an "irresponsible buffoon" when he put Iran on a path to nuclear weapons.

Or when he secretly (so he thought) delivered a skid of cash to Iran, in an effort to leave no electronic traces. The dumbest act ever by an American President.

Former GOP · Aug 13, 2017

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Anthony60 said:
The lunatic is in North Korea, you seem to forget that. Your post is basically an "I hate Trump" rant, making no argument at all. And siding with our enemy, as many Democrat leaders have done. With people like the Democrats over here, who needs enemies?

But don't worry, we'll have a bigger problem when Iran has nukes, as they actively work to kill Americans, our good ole buddies. I can't seem to remember you calling the president a "lunatic" or an "irresponsible buffoon" when he put Iran on a path to nuclear weapons.

Or when he secretly (so he thought) delivered a skid of cash to Iran, in an effort to leave no electronic traces. The dumbest act ever by an American President.

I agree! I'm not a big fan of Trump but if he can somehow get our military snipers to go after that slanty-eyed lunatic Kim, I'll be a happy camper to say the least.

LetsGoBrandon · Aug 13, 2017

Helix said:
1. JFK could actually explain a global crisis coherently.

So can trump.

2. JFK had the temperament necessary to navigate a global crisis.

Trump does as well.

Trump lacks the temperament to handle Monday morning on Twitter if a celebrity or pundit said something mean about him.

see the difference?

I think Trump handles Monday morning on twitter just fine since the election. I thought he was a twitter mess during the primaries. As president, his tweets do not bother me. It's his way of speaking over the idiots connected with CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, etc, who are so angry that Trump beat Hillary that they have lost all ability to objectively report the news.

probably would have been Tim Kaine or whoever got elected in 2020.

I thought Kaine was an ass clown in the Vice presidential debates.

Clinton would have spent most of her first term under constant impeachment attempts,

Even worse then that, she simply is not healthy enough to sever as president....mentally or physically. In my opinion she probably would have died in office.

and if she was not impeached, she wouldn't have even been able to get a resolution stating that weekends are fun through congress. the Republicans probably would have Garlanded every one of her nominees.

Democrats and even some republicans are treating Trump the same way. Fortunately the democrats do not control congress at this time, or it would be much worse.

yep, he was far from a perfect president. i'm not going to waste much time defending him, because my weekend is short. he wasn't unfit for office in the same way that Trump is, though.

I disagree with the latter. LBJ intentionally led us into a war that especially the democrats say we should never have been involved in, simply because he wanted a war legacy. If Trump wanted a war, we would already be at war with North Korea. Despite what you think about Trump's rhetoric, he and his administration while taking the North Korean threat seriously are doing everything possible to avoid war short of saying: "Nevermind....you can have the nukes."

LetsGoBrandon · Aug 13, 2017

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Anthony60 said:
The lunatic is in North Korea, you seem to forget that. Your post is basically an "I hate Trump" rant, making no argument at all. And siding with our enemy, as many Democrat leaders have done. With people like the Democrats over here, who needs enemies?

But don't worry, we'll have a bigger problem when Iran has nukes, as they actively work to kill Americans, our good ole buddies. I can't seem to remember you calling the president a "lunatic" or an "irresponsible buffoon" when he put Iran on a path to nuclear weapons.

Or when he secretly (so he thought) delivered a skid of cash to Iran, in an effort to leave no electronic traces. The dumbest act ever by an American President.

Yep. That cash was basically laundered money. And it is amazing that the same liberals who used to stage violent protests over nuclear proliferation now say: "Let them have nukes. It's alright!"

Helix · Aug 13, 2017

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ObamacareFail said:
So can trump.

did you watch the videos?

ObamacareFail said:
Trump does as well.

we disagree on this point.

ObamacareFail said:
I think Trump handles Monday morning on twitter just fine since the election. I thought he was a twitter mess during the primaries. As president, his tweets do not bother me. It's his way of speaking over the idiots connected with CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, etc, who are so angry that Trump beat Hillary that they have lost all ability to objectively report the news.

if that's his goal, then he could do a lot better. i doubt that he could even handle himself on this site without getting a lot of infractions. that makes me seriously worried for our country.

ObamacareFail said:
I thought Kaine was an ass clown in the Vice presidential debates.

his performance in the debate was less than stellar.

ObamacareFail said:
Even worse then that, she simply is not healthy enough to sever as president....mentally or physically. In my opinion she probably would have died in office.

it was an awful choice. that doesn't make Trump fit for office, though. he isn't.

ObamacareFail said:
Democrats and even some republicans are treating Trump the same way. Fortunately the democrats do not control congress at this time, or it would be much worse.

i'm sure that some Republicans in congress are drooling for a chance to coronate Pence as president.

ObamacareFail said:
I disagree with the latter. LBJ intentionally led us into a war that especially the democrats say we should never have been involved in, simply because he wanted a war legacy. If Trump wanted a war, we would already be at war with North Korea. Despite what you think about Trump's rhetoric, he and his administration while taking the North Korean threat seriously are doing everything possible to avoid war short of saying: "Nevermind....you can have the nukes."

he's putting us all in danger with his reckless rhetoric. being an effective leader of a nation requires patience, a good deal of intelligence, and an understanding of nuance. Trump either intentionally or unintentionally lacks all of these. if our nation maintains its status quo through his presidency, we should count ourselves lucky.

Anthony60 · Aug 13, 2017

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Former GOP said:
I agree! I'm not a big fan of Trump but if he can somehow get our military snipers to go after that slanty-eyed lunatic Kim, I'll be a happy camper to say the least.

Well, if we do retaliate, getting him should be a priority.

davidgarcia · Aug 14, 2017

From my own opinion, both presidents are insane. Although they don't have the same attitude, they have the same notion of being dominant. Kim seems want to test his power, while Trump tries to prove that he deserves to be the US president. This is not a war of the people of America against the people of NK, but still the decision of both presidents will always have a huge impact to the citizens emotionally and socially. The residents of both nations will start to hate each other, and effect like world war can inevitable happen if this continues to go on, so just like what other people mentioned here, we just hope that other leaders will be able to put water on this flame to avoid dangers soon because both presidents will not swallow their pride, and they will of course fight fire with fire.

CLAX1911 · Aug 14, 2017

Cardinal said:
My professional assessment is that this situation is ****ed.

If kim Jong-on escalates then trump has placed himself in the spot of choosing between humiliating stand-down or all out war.

I honestly think the republicans in Congress are so pissed off at him for beating Ted Cruz or Jeb Bush whoever the hell they wanted that there would sabotage any war effort.

I and starting to think Trump's roguish flaunting of discourse is the single biggest contributing factor to what may be his biggest failure.

Plus Ultra · Aug 14, 2017

Nothing will come of this.

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